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DPS queuing as tank/healer
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svartorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I always queue as heals, but if my lumious shards are doing 65% of the group damage I switch to dps.
Sorry, but I don't have time to wait for you potatoes.3 -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »
I dont think that's all anybody is asking for... What about debuffs like Major Fracture/Breach, Crusher, Minor Fracture/Breach or Alkosh armor debuff? What about buffs like Dragonknight's Igneous Weapons, Igneous Shield etc or Warden's Ice Fortress? What about CC?Edited by gatekeeper13 on November 4, 2019 10:15AM0 -
Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »
I dont think that's all anybody is asking for... What about debuffs like Major Fracture/Breach, Crusher, Minor Fracture/Breach or Alkosh armor debuff? What about buffs like Dragonknight's Igneous Weapons, Igneous Shield etc or Warden's Ice Fortress? What about CC?
Yeah, of course that's required for a real tank. But the topic is a DPS queuing as fake tank. Those are the bare minimum things a faker better do, or he gets kicked.0 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.
This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.
Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.
Try to be less ignorant to the common factors and issues as of late.
You were lucky to get into these dungeons, since someone filled the required role to do it.
And what do you know? It's not a tank. You sit and complain about the time it takes as a DPS to queue for a dungeon but aren't grateful for one who takes on the burden of playing a role he is not - JUST so you guys can even play that dungeon.
You're not wrong. But you failed to see some things and these things are important. That player who is not a tank feels the same way as you. But they are forced to go in as the tank, instead of waiting for queue as a dps for 2 hours and never getting into a dungeon. As you would have, wether or not it was a tank that queued as a tank.
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Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.
This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.
Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.
Try to be less ignorant to the common factors and issues as of late.
You were lucky to get into these dungeons, since someone filled the required role to do it.
And what do you know? It's not a tank. You sit and complain about the time it takes as a DPS to queue for a dungeon but aren't grateful for one who takes on the burden of playing a role he is not - JUST so you guys can even play that dungeon.
You're not wrong. But you failed to see some things and these things are important. That player who is not a tank feels the same way as you. But they are forced to go in as the tank, instead of waiting for queue as a dps for 2 hours and never getting into a dungeon. As you would have, wether or not it was a tank that queued as a tank.
Or they can move their a** like I did despite the fact I'm healer, and find ppl in group chat around big city.
Never experienced bad group when doing like this.
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Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.
This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.
Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.
Try to be less ignorant to the common factors and issues as of late.
You were lucky to get into these dungeons, since someone filled the required role to do it.
And what do you know? It's not a tank. You sit and complain about the time it takes as a DPS to queue for a dungeon but aren't grateful for one who takes on the burden of playing a role he is not - JUST so you guys can even play that dungeon.
You're not wrong. But you failed to see some things and these things are important. That player who is not a tank feels the same way as you. But they are forced to go in as the tank, instead of waiting for queue as a dps for 2 hours and never getting into a dungeon. As you would have, wether or not it was a tank that queued as a tank.
That players that feels the same way and queues as a tank while he isnt one, is often screwing groups over in veteran dungeons.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭well you are crying but at least, with the fake tank, you find a dungeon.
Without him, you're just queuing during 1hour so, please, stop blaming players, stop calling for vote to kick. Blame zenimax only.
Never had to wait so long that I’ve appreciated playing with a cheat.
You want to cheat your fellow players, you shouldn’t be here.
playing a DD instead of a tank isnt a cheat.
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Saying you’re a tank and playing a dd is the very definition of cheating.
You are lying to your group about what your role is. Dress it up however you like, pretend to yourself you’re being big and clever, but giving me dd when I’m expecting Tank is cheating me.
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »
I dont think that's all anybody is asking for... What about debuffs like Major Fracture/Breach, Crusher, Minor Fracture/Breach or Alkosh armor debuff? What about buffs like Dragonknight's Igneous Weapons, Igneous Shield etc or Warden's Ice Fortress? What about CC?
Dude, no point in trying to explain the benefits a tank brings to people who don’t even think their other group members matter.
These are cheats who just want a quick rush through to get their daily XP bonus. They don’t give a toss about anyone else, they’re not interested in ‘playing as a team’ or what your experience is like. They are literally ‘game wankers’, only interested in pleasuring themselves.
If they wanted to 3 or 4 dd a dungeon they could simply get together with friends. But they don’t have any, so they inflict themselves on other players.1 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.
This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.
Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.
Try to be less ignorant to the common factors and issues as of late.
You were lucky to get into these dungeons, since someone filled the required role to do it.
And what do you know? It's not a tank. You sit and complain about the time it takes as a DPS to queue for a dungeon but aren't grateful for one who takes on the burden of playing a role he is not - JUST so you guys can even play that dungeon.
You're not wrong. But you failed to see some things and these things are important. That player who is not a tank feels the same way as you. But they are forced to go in as the tank, instead of waiting for queue as a dps for 2 hours and never getting into a dungeon. As you would have, wether or not it was a tank that queued as a tank.
I was going to post the same comment.
They complain about people queuing as tanks and about queues taking so long.... They want everything..well you are crying but at least, with the fake tank, you find a dungeon.
Without him, you're just queuing during 1hour so, please, stop blaming players, stop calling for vote to kick. Blame zenimax only.
Never had to wait so long that I’ve appreciated playing with a cheat.
You want to cheat your fellow players, you shouldn’t be here.
playing a DD instead of a tank isnt a cheat.
.
Saying you’re a tank and playing a dd is the very definition of cheating.
You are lying to your group about what your role is. Dress it up however you like, pretend to yourself you’re being big and clever, but giving me dd when I’m expecting Tank is cheating me.
Players don’t cheat players. Only cheats do.
It's true, instead of lying to their group, they should just not queue at all. That way, no group will be formed and there won't be anyone to lie to.
I'm so annoyed by the lack of tanks, I don't queue for vet anymore. I have 2 tanks but 14 DPS characters and I've yet to meet a PUG group that can do enough dps for me to step up to tank role and wait for them to tickle the Boss to death... It's annoying that I can burn boss faster than other dps in PUG queue but I would have to tank just so we can get a group going.
There should be a validation process. If you can't do 50k on the iron atro, you can't queue for vets.
I queue as tank on a DPS with more defensive skills and a taunt for RANDOM NORMALS. I often tank bosses and do 60%+ of DPS. To those who wanna cry about that, you should thank me for getting a group going and successfully clearing the dungeon faster than you would've otherwise. I've done Lair of Maarselok Moon hunter keep Marches of Sacrifice and more like that. Now report me and go cry about it on the forums. I was never kicked and never saw any complaints.0 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭well you are crying but at least, with the fake tank, you find a dungeon.
Without him, you're just queuing during 1hour so, please, stop blaming players, stop calling for vote to kick. Blame zenimax only.
Never had to wait so long that I’ve appreciated playing with a cheat.
You want to cheat your fellow players, you shouldn’t be here.
playing a DD instead of a tank isnt a cheat.
.
Saying you’re a tank and playing a dd is the very definition of cheating.
You are lying to your group about what your role is. Dress it up however you like, pretend to yourself you’re being big and clever, but giving me dd when I’m expecting Tank is cheating me.
Players don’t cheat players. Only cheats do.
Oh and so is queuing as DPS and being very mediocre at it. They should be banned right?
When I tank random vets, I get so frustrated when I see that I get 12-15% of DPS with taunt, heroic slash and other utility skills.
Should I consider they're lying?1 -
Eso101rus✭✭✭✭As I mainly tank vet dungeons using the group finder I don’t mind fake healers so long as I get at least one synergy from them for my Alkosh....... but nothing breaks my heart faster than seeing a dps with master wizard title, it may as well say “potato”.0
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Ilision✭✭✭How about not being able to Q up if you are not wearing a shield/one-hander. Wouldn't that resolve some of the issues for tanks? Having a shield gives you certain blocking abilities and without it, I do not see why would anyone be trying to do the dungeons, especially the vets and higher.0 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »well you are crying but at least, with the fake tank, you find a dungeon.
Without him, you're just queuing during 1hour so, please, stop blaming players, stop calling for vote to kick. Blame zenimax only.
Never had to wait so long that I’ve appreciated playing with a cheat.
You want to cheat your fellow players, you shouldn’t be here.
playing a DD instead of a tank isnt a cheat.
.
Saying you’re a tank and playing a dd is the very definition of cheating.
You are lying to your group about what your role is. Dress it up however you like, pretend to yourself you’re being big and clever, but giving me dd when I’m expecting Tank is cheating me.
Players don’t cheat players. Only cheats do.
Oh and so is queuing as DPS and being very mediocre at it. They should be banned right?
When I tank random vets, I get so frustrated when I see that I get 12-15% of DPS with taunt, heroic slash and other utility skills.
Should I consider they're lying?
Why do you people keep posting this argument as if it's clever? Actively trying at a role and being bad at it is not the same as queuing for a role you have no intention of performing in the first place. The Group Finder is designed to group people that are willing to perform specific roles together. It is not a filter for skill level (that's what guilds are for). Being bad is not misusing the group finder. Queuing for a role you have no intention of performing is misusing the group finder. Very simple stuff. Not sure why that's so hard for ya'll to understand.
ESO is not the only game that has matchmaking with intended roles. Other games have a report option for players who queue for roles they have no intention of fulfilling. ZOS could easily do the same. No need to reinvent the wheel.Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
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CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭CleymenZero wrote: »well you are crying but at least, with the fake tank, you find a dungeon.
Without him, you're just queuing during 1hour so, please, stop blaming players, stop calling for vote to kick. Blame zenimax only.
Never had to wait so long that I’ve appreciated playing with a cheat.
You want to cheat your fellow players, you shouldn’t be here.
playing a DD instead of a tank isnt a cheat.
.
Saying you’re a tank and playing a dd is the very definition of cheating.
You are lying to your group about what your role is. Dress it up however you like, pretend to yourself you’re being big and clever, but giving me dd when I’m expecting Tank is cheating me.
Players don’t cheat players. Only cheats do.
Oh and so is queuing as DPS and being very mediocre at it. They should be banned right?
When I tank random vets, I get so frustrated when I see that I get 12-15% of DPS with taunt, heroic slash and other utility skills.
Should I consider they're lying?
Why do you people keep posting this argument as if it's clever? Actively trying at a role and being bad at it is not the same as queuing for a role you have no intention of performing in the first place. The Group Finder is designed to group people that are willing to perform specific roles together. It is not a filter for skill level (that's what guilds are for). Being bad is not misusing the group finder. Queuing for a role you have no intention of performing is misusing the group finder. Very simple stuff. Not sure why that's so hard for ya'll to understand.
ESO is not the only game that has matchmaking with intended roles. Other games have a report option for players who queue for roles they have no intention of fulfilling. ZOS could easily do the same. No need to reinvent the wheel.
I guess that argument makes sense but I still maintain that my point has merit.
Wanting or intending to play as a tank or dps or healer does not make you ABLE to fulfill your role so when I see complaints like OP's, I can't help but see it as whining.
Now this statement is about normal dungeons only (I've earned every skin in the game and have 2 IRs as solo interrupt and DPS but yes, to avoid spending 5 hours in a dungeon, I do random normals): If you try to queue as DPS, you'll wait 5-10 times what you're going to wait as a tank. If you queue as healer, you'll wait 2-5 times what you'll wait as a tank. Now they aren't solid numbers, they're a rough approximation but u've definitely queued as dps for longer than 45 minutes.
To accelerate the process, I'll slot the Undaunted taunt and queue as tank. Last night, jumped into an instance of Malatar where they had just kicked 2 players. Went in with my stam DK with undaunted taunt and we cleared it super fast. No issues. Everything burned to the ground in seconds with only wiping once on the orb boss because you really have to know how to manage the Aurorans. Now yes I do perform tank functions but I was doing 40%+ of DPS. Call it a misuse of the Group Finder, I have no apologies and no regrets.
Now I won't queue as tank for vets on a dps. I'll use my tank for that but I'll make sure I have nothing for the next hour or 2...0 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What I don't get is why so many people do Random dungeons at all.
Whether you're going for normal or vet mode, the difficulty of dungeons varies drastically. For any given group, there will be a fun challenge in only a minority of the dungeons. A majority of the time, the dungeon will be either stupidly easy or stupidly hard.1 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭Without some kind of standards system for DPS in vet or dlc dungeons I don't see it being fair for either party. The skill gap is so large (let's be honest it makes the grand canyon look small) that it's not fair for people to queue as a DPS if they can't hit something like 50k on the 21 mil or 20k on the 3 mil for vet and that's arguably not enough for dlc dungeons.
There is no insentive to be a real tank or healer in vet dungeon queue if that basic requirement is not met because fights become excruciatingly difficult because those players are just not actually ready for that content. That said there should be a way to evaluate tanks and healers too but this game is largely damage based and it's the easiest thing to measure.
Honestly even normal dlc dungeons should require like 10-15k on a 3 mil (you could literally light attack in crafted gear for this). Without meeting some kind of floor that is clearly defined and plain to see people will wander in like it's Skyrim and think it's fine. This game is not Skyrim and while they tout play as you like there are things required to clear. It's not because I am trying to be elitist or insensitive just that not all content is meant for all players especially when it comes to vet content. You can't even base it on CP because that really is just a measurement of collected playtime so some type of basic skills test is really the right approach.
I would be all for ZOS implementing some kind of requirements system even if they had a way to disable it in the group finder for those that didn't want to meet requirements and queue up anyway. It would be better than what we have now by a huge margin and would give me a reason to bring my actual tanks and healers into the group finder queue.0 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »What I don't get is why so many people do Random dungeons at all.
Whether you're going for normal or vet mode, the difficulty of dungeons varies drastically. For any given group, there will be a fun challenge in only a minority of the dungeons. A majority of the time, the dungeon will be either stupidly easy or stupidly hard.
For the extra loot that comes with the daily random. When I queue for a random, I assume its going to be something like MHK or Scalecaller. Because it usually is one of the DLC dungeons.0 -
wolfbone✭✭✭✭✭I agree. I tried to be a healer, only to have a group who threw a fit because I couldnt be in 3 places at once.0
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »What I don't get is why so many people do Random dungeons at all.
Whether you're going for normal or vet mode, the difficulty of dungeons varies drastically. For any given group, there will be a fun challenge in only a minority of the dungeons. A majority of the time, the dungeon will be either stupidly easy or stupidly hard.
For the extra loot that comes with the daily random. When I queue for a random, I assume its going to be something like MHK or Scalecaller. Because it usually is one of the DLC dungeons.
The loot is just one item from Agility/Willpower/Endurance, correct?0 -
Ysbriel✭✭✭✭✭It does happen on PC but it’s mostly on Normal Dungeon Dificulty during events people trying to level their alts faster since normal dungeos are easier.0 -
kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »What I don't get is why so many people do Random dungeons at all.
Whether you're going for normal or vet mode, the difficulty of dungeons varies drastically. For any given group, there will be a fun challenge in only a minority of the dungeons. A majority of the time, the dungeon will be either stupidly easy or stupidly hard.
For the extra loot that comes with the daily random. When I queue for a random, I assume its going to be something like MHK or Scalecaller. Because it usually is one of the DLC dungeons.
The loot is just one item from Agility/Willpower/Endurance, correct?
The daily random includes a big chunk of xp, one item from those 3 piece sets, a 1 crystal geode, one style material, and typically one pulverized dibellium. Usually its the xp that people are interested in.1 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.
This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.
Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.
Try to be less ignorant to the common factors and issues as of late.
You were lucky to get into these dungeons, since someone filled the required role to do it.
And what do you know? It's not a tank. You sit and complain about the time it takes as a DPS to queue for a dungeon but aren't grateful for one who takes on the burden of playing a role he is not - JUST so you guys can even play that dungeon.
You're not wrong. But you failed to see some things and these things are important. That player who is not a tank feels the same way as you. But they are forced to go in as the tank, instead of waiting for queue as a dps for 2 hours and never getting into a dungeon. As you would have, wether or not it was a tank that queued as a tank.
Why do DDs wait on a 2 hour queue, when they can put together a group in less than 15 mintues? I'll never understand such rational.0 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »
And what do you know? It's not a tank. You sit and complain about the time it takes as a DPS to queue for a dungeon but aren't grateful for one who takes on the burden of playing a role he is not - JUST so you guys can even play that dungeon.
You're not wrong. But you failed to see some things and these things are important. That player who is not a tank feels the same way as you. But they are forced to go in as the tank, instead of waiting for queue as a dps for 2 hours and never getting into a dungeon. As you would have, wether or not it was a tank that queued as a tank.
What a load of self-serving tripe.
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✭✭✭✭kringled_1 wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »What I don't get is why so many people do Random dungeons at all.
Whether you're going for normal or vet mode, the difficulty of dungeons varies drastically. For any given group, there will be a fun challenge in only a minority of the dungeons. A majority of the time, the dungeon will be either stupidly easy or stupidly hard.
For the extra loot that comes with the daily random. When I queue for a random, I assume its going to be something like MHK or Scalecaller. Because it usually is one of the DLC dungeons.
The loot is just one item from Agility/Willpower/Endurance, correct?
The daily random includes a big chunk of xp, one item from those 3 piece sets, a 1 crystal geode, one style material, and typically one pulverized dibellium. Usually its the xp that people are interested in.
Even the CP 810s who keep showing up in bad-dungeon-group anecdotes?
I do understand about running randoms when leveling characters, of course, especially if there's a double XP event on. 0 -
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I use Elsweyr warden, people know I can kick dragon and necro ass so they take me seriously !
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Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.
This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.
Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.
Try to be less ignorant to the common factors and issues as of late.
You were lucky to get into these dungeons, since someone filled the required role to do it.
And what do you know? It's not a tank. You sit and complain about the time it takes as a DPS to queue for a dungeon but aren't grateful for one who takes on the burden of playing a role he is not - JUST so you guys can even play that dungeon.
You're not wrong. But you failed to see some things and these things are important. That player who is not a tank feels the same way as you. But they are forced to go in as the tank, instead of waiting for queue as a dps for 2 hours and never getting into a dungeon. As you would have, wether or not it was a tank that queued as a tank.
Why do DDs wait on a 2 hour queue, when they can put together a group in less than 15 mintues? I'll never understand such rational.
Only very good DD can.
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