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Tank training advice

happyhughes2001
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Hi all,

I’m a new tank, so been trying to learn through doing dungeons. But that’s proving difficult because most of the time the group doesn’t need me on normal dungeons.

Should i just go straight to Vet or would that not be appreciated?

Is there any world bosses that are good to practice on that tanks use to test skills etc?

I have played as DD so know how the game works but just new to tanking.

Any advice would be welcome.

Thank you.
  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    what platform do you play on
  • happyhughes2001
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    what platform do you play on

    Xbox EU

  • azjuwelz
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    My advice would be to join a guild (social, casual, or trial), and learn from guildmates--you'll learn SO much more that way.

    You're right on the PUG--sometimes they don't need you, but sometimes they do, and you'll never know with a PUG which one it will be.
    Xbox-NA
    Guildmaster of Nightmothers Deadly Deals

    PVE/PVP Stamblade: Ylandra Silverthorn
    PVE Magwarden healer: Raw'zl Dah Zel
    PVE DK Tank: Greta Feuerwerk
    PVP StamDK: Helga Feuerwerk
    PVP Necro Healer: Dratha Helbain
    PVE Magcro: Dorian Fey
    PVE Magblade: Arivssa Thaoral
    PVE Magsorc: Eldara Birchwood
  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    @azjuwelz hit it on the head join a social guild and poke a few tanks and pick their brains. Grab a dps dummy to get your taunt times and other neato things down. And hit normals and vets on a learning basis. Too bad you are not on PC/NA I have the time to train another tank who has a clear head.
  • Nestor
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    Yes, Vet Dungeons have a bigger need for a Tank. But it is better to learn on a Normal dungeon. Then again, non dlc Vet Dungeons are a good place to learn and hone your tank skills.

    However the basics are not difficult and it is more how you approach the fight and conduct yourself during that make a good tank. There are a fee threads here where good tanking practices are discussed. Search terms like What makes a good tank or similar.

    Also, google Woeler and Tanking for some builds and gear selections. Heck, search Woeler here and you will find some threads on tanking.
    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • Sordidfairytale
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    I want to echo what others have said, a guild is going to help out a lot.

    using dummy is helpful too, I had a training dummy set up at our guild hall with the trap plants around it so that Tanks could practice on it for resource management etc. But nothing beats getting in a dungeon and working the mobs. Learning how to get them to sit still so that the DD can get rid of them is very helpful.

    You could practice in any normal delve/dungeon (You don't need a party to go in them) in order to practice funneling and crowd control.
    The Vegemite Knight
  • Frozen_Heart246
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    Just slot DK chain or crossbow from fighters guild and you will be better than 90% of the tanks in this game.
    Edited by Frozen_Heart246 on November 4, 2019 9:03PM
  • OolongSnakeTea
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    If you already have done vet as a DD- then just jump in and do them! Especially if you are max CP. watch some videos how the pulls are done and have some fun. Make fat stacks with chains and snare it down! It'll all be good, and most people only expect a taunt on the boss in non-DLC vets anyhow.
    "I try to create sympathy for my characters, then turn the monsters loose."– Stephen King



  • idk
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    The best suggestion for learning to tank is to join a guild. Find a decent active guild to run with as it becomes much easier to find a group that will be patient with you. Maybe even someone who can provide feedback based on what they see.
  • BooPerScOOper
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    My .02
    Forget about any "Meta" tank builds. Go for survivability . Get some friends and do nDLCs, nDSA then nBRP. Then do vet n the same order.
  • gatekeeper13
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    If you pug, start from a normal dungeon, do it 2-3 times to learn the mechanics, then do the vet version of it. First try the easiest dungeons and move to the more difficult ones as you gain tanking experience.
  • VaxtinTheWolf
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    If possible, I solo normal dungeons as a tank so I can take my time, appreciate the the environment and learn the bosses attacks without being rushed by Spazz Mc RushToTheNextFight. You dont need to have absolutely no damage when doing this, but still build yourself as you would be in a group. If you get used to taking 10 minutes to kill a boss on your own, even the lowest DPS pug wont feel so bad, unless you actually need damage to progress.

    I also enjoy flirting with Bittergreen, that beast of a guar in Dashaan, And I often play around in Veteran Blackheard Haven due to the high number of enemies in the first area. I treat it like a self survival and sustain test.
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  • Jeremy
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    Hi all,

    I’m a new tank, so been trying to learn through doing dungeons. But that’s proving difficult because most of the time the group doesn’t need me on normal dungeons.

    Should i just go straight to Vet or would that not be appreciated?

    Is there any world bosses that are good to practice on that tanks use to test skills etc?

    I have played as DD so know how the game works but just new to tanking.

    Any advice would be welcome.

    Thank you.

    I would skip to Veteran content probably if you want to train as a tank.

    Normal dungeons are designed for new players just starting out and are basically solo content for experienced or high level players.
    Edited by Jeremy on November 4, 2019 10:41PM
  • Hapexamendios
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    If you have one dps friend, you could try to practice tanking on a world boss. Wouldn’t be the same as a dungeon, but might help with some basics.
  • MartiniDaniels
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    Just jump on base vets, when you'll feel near immortal in those proceed to veteran DLC dungeons. When you'll feel content about vDLC dungeons (with activity finder pugs, this is important, you will learn nothing with guild premade with 100k+ group dps), join guild and start tanking trials. Normal ones will be easy after your vDLC experience but veteran trials will require precise knowledge of mechanics.
  • Mr_Walker
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    When the event ends go tank a couple of dragons. That's actually quite good fun if there's only 3-4 people.
  • Jeremy
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    When the event ends go tank a couple of dragons. That's actually quite good fun if there's only 3-4 people.

    True.

    If you can catch dragons when they aren't having genocide committed on them, they are pretty good tank training too.
  • happyhughes2001
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    Thank you all for the replies much appreciated.

    Did a few dungeons, went well I think. I asked for feedback, most of it was positive. Two people said my DPS was to low? I Struggled more with keeping the mob packs tidy and in a nice aoe death area then dealing with the bosses.

    I’m hitting the bosses with Pierce armor and heroic slash. Buffing group with igneous shield and bone shields. I use talons when mobs around and I try and chain in mobs to the aoe damage, and use warhorn when ready. And I Rez when people drop. That’s my VERY BASIC outlook at the moment.

    I got reduce damage enchant front bar and reduce resistance enchant back bar.

    Should I be a vampire?

    Any thoughts or tips would be great?

    Thanks again for all the help and advice.


  • r34lian
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    Not needed just go with health and damage resist set like ebony and plague with bloods pawn until u get comfortable with and vampire isn't necessary you can go without it but it's good
    https://youtu.be/igRKApRmNhY
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  • CynicK
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    I tell you that you will enjoy more veteran dungeons and there is no problem you learn or practice in them as long as you have done them a couple of times in normal and know a bit the mechanics or read the guide online and do it one or two times, because in normal most times the bosses or mechanics do not do much damage at all and you cannot practice anyway, as others have said veteran dungeons have more need for a tank and you will enjoy it a lot more.
  • siddique
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    I find Bkorgen in summerset to be a good challenge for a learning tank to see how long they can survive.
    "Knee-jerk reactionist."
    Lost Depths, 2015-2022.
  • bakthi
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    I just watched this the other day; may want to check it out (yes, it's long, but really you only need to watch like half of it):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYeq0JpIjQk&t=3142s

    I have a DK and a necro tank, and have done most vet dungeons and normal trials. I just kind of started. Honestly, if you're in a PUG and you hold things still and don't die, most people will be relieved. Gather enemies together (chaining as needed), debuff with crusher, use your warhorn, and most people will be pretty happy. You can build on that.

    Started in Ebon+Torug's, and that's still what I use sometimes even in a trial, depending on what the other tank/healers are wearing, etc. Plenty of monster options.
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  • Nestor
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    Thank you all for the replies much appreciated.

    Did a few dungeons, went well I think. I asked for feedback, most of it was positive. Two people said my DPS was to low?

    Those people do not know what a Tank is. If your doing more than 2k to 4k DPS, your not doing your job. And, the only reason you are doing any DPS is Heavy Attacks for resource regen and Puncture does some damage.

    Your group Buffs and Boss/Mob debuffs are how you contribute to group DPS. I forget the number, but you increase the DPS of everyone by a huge amount. Put the Buff Tracker and Debuff tracker on the screen. You will see all that you contribute to the fight when you use your skills properly. I almost fill the horizontal width of the screen with all my buffs in the thick of it.

    I like using Chains as Crowd Control. A good DPS will let you approach the fights first, let you gather up and crowd control the mobs or position the boss (in a corner facing away from everyone else is ideal) then start wailing on things. I use chains to pull in the ranged mobs. Pick the morph that makes it free if you dont successfully chain. Now, once you have the mobs where you want them, you can use Talons to keep them there, or Puncture to keep them attacking you.

    Only apply skills as the timers run out. Doing that and not permanently blocking, only block when needed. and using Heavy Attacks you can maintain resources f o r e v e r. I once did a Vet DLC boss for 20 minutes, the DPS people really did not know what they were doing in that PUG. But I wanted to see how long I could go.
    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • azjuwelz
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    Agreed--if anyone talks about your dps, ignore them, because that's not the tank's job. (I have dps and healer toons)

    Don't know your level, but sometimes the normal dungeons can be interesting because you get the newbie players who have no clue what they're doing. I know I run into that particularly on my healer. (my dps can carry them unless it's a DLC)

    All of the above is good advice--the reason I suggest guilds is because I've done dungeons with guildmates where the seasoned tank shared all kinds of good tips with the newbie tank as we went through, and as an organized group we controlled the pace.
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    Guildmaster of Nightmothers Deadly Deals

    PVE/PVP Stamblade: Ylandra Silverthorn
    PVE Magwarden healer: Raw'zl Dah Zel
    PVE DK Tank: Greta Feuerwerk
    PVP StamDK: Helga Feuerwerk
    PVP Necro Healer: Dratha Helbain
    PVE Magcro: Dorian Fey
    PVE Magblade: Arivssa Thaoral
    PVE Magsorc: Eldara Birchwood
  • buttaface
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Those people do not know what a Tank is. If your doing more than 2k to 4k DPS, your not doing your job.

    First statement is true, and OP should not have been chastised ever as a tank for low dps. Second sentence is false.

    Normal content, pugging, tank should build hybrid, dmg enchants on jewelry, dps food/drink/pots, some dps skills on the bar, maybe a dps monster set, and pull 8-10k dps. Learning to weave Light Attacks is the same for tanks as dps. Grothdarr, Thunderbug, Livewire, Overwhelming Surge, Rattlecage, Ult generation sets to let you spam damage ults when super low team DPS wouldn't benefit from warhorn, any number of possibilities.

    Low vet dungeons same, can do 7-10k dps as a tank on any number of viable builds while still taunting, buffing, debuffing, CCing.

    Higher vet, HM, tank can STILL easily pull 5kish dps and should unless running a mitigation tank or some other specialty tank build tailored to content.

    Trials, tank dps doesn't matter, this much is true.

    To the topic, OP Sharpfang N of the central dolmen wayshrine in Deshaan is a great WB to practice on, been killed thousands of times this week in the event. Run Fungal Grotto 1 solo, boss fights will take a good long time, giving you practice staying alive without any support. Nothing in there hits hard enough to kill you as long as you are blocking heavies and have a heal or two slotted and up. Get a set of Bahraha's Curse for this, will keep you alive to practice, also a GREAT set for all kinds of uses and content.



  • goldenarcher1
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    The gargoyle boss in Rivenspire,Valeguard Tower is a good world boss for practice tanking.
  • Mancombe_Nosehair
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    Limbscather in Glenumbra and the world boss by the centre dolmen in Deshaan are good bosses to practice tanking with. I'm sure there are others.
  • CMDR_Un1k0rn
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    Tanking is awesome.

    I play NBtank, and it's awesome. I'm basically a shadow knight, given I get all that resist from shadow magic.

    It's really cool! Don't forget that NB also gets a nice buff in resource generation.
    In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!
  • Araneae6537
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    @azjuwelz hit it on the head join a social guild and poke a few tanks and pick their brains. Grab a dps dummy to get your taunt times and other neato things down. And hit normals and vets on a learning basis. Too bad you are not on PC/NA I have the time to train another tank who has a clear head.

    I will be checking out the resources linked here as well as looking over older threads, but I would be grateful for any training if you have time and at whatever point it would be most advantageous (tank nightblade currently level 41 — I assume level 50 and Inner Fire are necessary prerequisites?). I am still relatively new to ESO, having started in July, but have level 50 stamblade DPS and templar healer. I’m still very much learning and would say my current level is probably of normal DLC dungeons or easier vet dungeons.
  • azjuwelz
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    ErinM31 wrote: »
    @azjuwelz hit it on the head join a social guild and poke a few tanks and pick their brains. Grab a dps dummy to get your taunt times and other neato things down. And hit normals and vets on a learning basis. Too bad you are not on PC/NA I have the time to train another tank who has a clear head.

    I will be checking out the resources linked here as well as looking over older threads, but I would be grateful for any training if you have time and at whatever point it would be most advantageous (tank nightblade currently level 41 — I assume level 50 and Inner Fire are necessary prerequisites?). I am still relatively new to ESO, having started in July, but have level 50 stamblade DPS and templar healer. I’m still very much learning and would say my current level is probably of normal DLC dungeons or easier vet dungeons.

    I assume you meant @Thalmor-Nordmaster since I’m a healer, not tank, and I’m on Xbox NA.

    However if you did mean me, it’s Juwelz9, or you can join the Nightmother’s Darkhands guild.

    Xbox-NA
    Guildmaster of Nightmothers Deadly Deals

    PVE/PVP Stamblade: Ylandra Silverthorn
    PVE Magwarden healer: Raw'zl Dah Zel
    PVE DK Tank: Greta Feuerwerk
    PVP StamDK: Helga Feuerwerk
    PVP Necro Healer: Dratha Helbain
    PVE Magcro: Dorian Fey
    PVE Magblade: Arivssa Thaoral
    PVE Magsorc: Eldara Birchwood
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