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How to get rid of tank meta?
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Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DCZergNoob wrote: »Remove/half the battle spirit health passive if your in 5 heavy
Change the improved sneak medium armour passive to something better (its a bad passive) so medium armour is more viable and people start running it again
I think there are more damage sets in heavy then there is in medium. What the hell
Set the PVP CP cap to 501
Atleast one of these things will be a guaranteed success
Why 501? Sounds even more artificial than any other decision made in this game.4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So you wanna 1 shot ppl?
Typical pvp whine. Zerglings had trouble killing someone and then asking nerfs in forums. How about l2p?
Buddy there's a difference between one shotting people and what's going on now.
A single tank built right can survive the continued attacks of an entire Zerg for a lengthy period of time. Not only this because there's so many attacking oriented heavy sets now, these guys get the luxury of being able to drop anybody who isn't in heavy armor, while also being practically invincible to people for the better part of a minute. I'm assuming you just haven't set foot in PVP recently to see the state of things. Tanks are practically invincible in every 1 on 1 scenario, and are a huge nuisance even for groups to deal with.
Heavy meta is real, and it's broken.
It's a bit absurd. It should be possible to go 1 on 1 with any class or build. That's how a balanced PVP works. 1 player yeeting on 16 others by taking no damage isn't balanced or fun.
Buddy it is not uncommon to have 30 players zerging me down why shouldn't I be able to have some resistance and last 10 seconds longer. FFS5 -
beadabow✭✭✭I am being facetious AND a nerf band-wagoner when I say: Make all armor cosmetic and all weapons the same. Jewelry should be in line with the invigorating trait. Regardless of class ALL skills should do one thing, activate a memento, (except in Cyrodil where mementos don't work). Take all of the complexities and intricacies out of the game and just let the player with the fastest fists win in pvp. No need for complicated pairing and builds which make the game fun, especially when BALANCING is soooo important. If someone finds an edge through hard work, research and luck, they should be perma-banned if they try using it in pvp!!! Keep everything simple damnit!!! No one is smart enough to figure out anything that works in pvp, and pvp IS, after all, the only thing good about ESO!!!
Seriously though, when there is a genuine reason for something to be nerfed, due to an oversight by the developers- that is about the only time I can see asking for something to be nerfed, and I wouldn't post it on the forums, I would use the reporting feature in-game to possibly identify a real problem. Nerf threads are pretty commonplace on these forums, and many of them seem to be short-sighted and narrow in scope- and usually intended to benefit a very small select few players while penalizing the larger majority of players. The point of my rant above was to project what would happen to the game if all nerf threads were acted upon by the developers. The game would become somewhat boring, don't you agree?
EDIT: For Clarifying RemarksEdited by beadabow on November 3, 2019 11:18PM4 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah it makes way more sense there would be legions of wizards and ninjas storming castles than heavily armored warriors
/sXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast4 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭We need to address the Medium / Light meta in PvE
/s
Edited by Urzigurumash on November 4, 2019 12:08AMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast2 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭(removed for redundancy, all points were made in this thread already)
Edited by Urzigurumash on November 4, 2019 12:33AMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »~[ TL/DR : Nerf Heavy Armor Damage sets, and leave Medium and Light Armor alone. (For example {Through Battle Spirit while wearing 5 piece Heavy Armor all Spell Power and Weapon Damage is decreased by 50%} ]~
Boom I just solved Heavy Armor META without much thought. If I can do then so can ZOS. ZOS just choose Heavy Armor to be OP AF in PvP. That's all there is to it really.
I'm all for this if we also add
Through Battle Spirit while wearing 5 piece Medium or Light all Healing Received and Damage Shield Strength is decreased by an additional 50%.
This would substantially help to reduce TTK in CP.
Edited by Urzigurumash on November 4, 2019 12:37AMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast3 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Step 1: remove CP
Step 2: nerf battle spirit healing - to wit; if damage done is reduced by 50%, healing done should be reduced by 75%1 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Step 2: nerf battle spirit healing - to wit; if damage done is reduced by 50%, healing done should be reduced by 75%
Somehow I suspect the players asking for Heavy damage to be nerfed would not be happy with Medium/Light healing being reduced.
To quote an old British man I just saw on 60 Minutes, "Most people are in favor of brevity, as long as it someone else's"Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast4 -
DCZergNoob✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »Remove/half the battle spirit health passive if your in 5 heavy
Change the improved sneak medium armour passive to something better (its a bad passive) so medium armour is more viable and people start running it again
I think there are more damage sets in heavy then there is in medium. What the hell
Set the PVP CP cap to 501
Atleast one of these things will be a guaranteed success
Why 501? Sounds even more artificial than any other decision made in this game.
You obviously haven't been playing for long. 501 was the original cap for CP, & back then you didnt have 35k hp meta chasers that could hit harder then a stamblade in full medium0 -
DCZergNoob✭✭✭DCZergNoob wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »
Because you want to nerf something that affects only a tiny portion of the game population.
Lmao, endgame pvp wether it be cp or no cp is a solid 50% of the endgame, Just as how endgame PVE & trials make up the other 50%
Saying otherwise is obnoxious
And endgame (PvP and PvE) is at most 5% of the player base :shrug:
Dude.....Thats a straight up lie0 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DCZergNoob wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »
Because you want to nerf something that affects only a tiny portion of the game population.
Lmao, endgame pvp wether it be cp or no cp is a solid 50% of the endgame, Just as how endgame PVE & trials make up the other 50%
Saying otherwise is obnoxious
And endgame (PvP and PvE) is at most 5% of the player base :shrug:
Dude.....Thats a straight up lie
Agreed. I suspect it would be less.7 -
lagrue✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »So you wanna 1 shot ppl?
Typical pvp whine. Zerglings had trouble killing someone and then asking nerfs in forums. How about l2p?
Buddy there's a difference between one shotting people and what's going on now.
A single tank built right can survive the continued attacks of an entire Zerg for a lengthy period of time. Not only this because there's so many attacking oriented heavy sets now, these guys get the luxury of being able to drop anybody who isn't in heavy armor, while also being practically invincible to people for the better part of a minute. I'm assuming you just haven't set foot in PVP recently to see the state of things. Tanks are practically invincible in every 1 on 1 scenario, and are a huge nuisance even for groups to deal with.
Heavy meta is real, and it's broken.
It's a bit absurd. It should be possible to go 1 on 1 with any class or build. That's how a balanced PVP works. 1 player yeeting on 16 others by taking no damage isn't balanced or fun.
Buddy it is not uncommon to have 30 players zerging me down why shouldn't I be able to have some resistance and last 10 seconds longer. FFS
Because that's a 1 v 30 situation. You don't balance PVP games based around that. That's ridiculous. Because it makes 1 on 1 encounters a slanted joke in your favour. Are you really saying this game should be balance don the basis of Single Player Vs Zerg?
It either needs to be balance don the basis of Zerg vs Zerg, or 1 vs 1. Anything else is imbalanced.
Why does only one playstyle get consideration into how it functions against Zergs? Do you think I, a DPS, enjoy dying in in 0.1 seconds to a Zerg? Nobody does - but atleast YOU have protection as a tank. And believe me, I've seen Tanks drop 10+ players. Videos all over youtube of it. Yeah, that's fun and fair...Edited by lagrue on November 4, 2019 3:00AM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"5 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DCZergNoob wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »Remove/half the battle spirit health passive if your in 5 heavy
Change the improved sneak medium armour passive to something better (its a bad passive) so medium armour is more viable and people start running it again
I think there are more damage sets in heavy then there is in medium. What the hell
Set the PVP CP cap to 501
Atleast one of these things will be a guaranteed success
Why 501? Sounds even more artificial than any other decision made in this game.
You obviously haven't been playing for long. 501 was the original cap for CP, & back then you didnt have 35k hp meta chasers that could hit harder then a stamblade in full medium
If you call almost 4 years not long? Btw who cares for your opinion?3 -
DCZergNoob✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »Remove/half the battle spirit health passive if your in 5 heavy
Change the improved sneak medium armour passive to something better (its a bad passive) so medium armour is more viable and people start running it again
I think there are more damage sets in heavy then there is in medium. What the hell
Set the PVP CP cap to 501
Atleast one of these things will be a guaranteed success
Why 501? Sounds even more artificial than any other decision made in this game.
You obviously haven't been playing for long. 501 was the original cap for CP, & back then you didnt have 35k hp meta chasers that could hit harder then a stamblade in full medium
If you call almost 4 years not long? Btw who cares for your opinion?
Obviously you considering your actually taking your time to reply and comment0 -
DCZergNoob✭✭✭DCZergNoob wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »DCZergNoob wrote: »Remove/half the battle spirit health passive if your in 5 heavy
Change the improved sneak medium armour passive to something better (its a bad passive) so medium armour is more viable and people start running it again
I think there are more damage sets in heavy then there is in medium. What the hell
Set the PVP CP cap to 501
Atleast one of these things will be a guaranteed success
Why 501? Sounds even more artificial than any other decision made in this game.
You obviously haven't been playing for long. 501 was the original cap for CP, & back then you didnt have 35k hp meta chasers that could hit harder then a stamblade in full medium
If you call almost 4 years not long? Btw who cares for your opinion?
Obviously you considering your actually taking your time to reply and comment
Oh and btw a 35k meta chaser right now hitting harder then a full medium stamblade is a fact. Go compare the 2 in pvp and come back and tell me which one feels better0 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A part of the tank meta in PVP is nothing to do with dealing damage, its about making up for the disadvantage of the lag/poor performance in Cyrodiil, people don't want to be killed quickly before they have had a chance to at least fight back.
If the performance were better more would be wearing medium, until that changes you will continue to see heavy used in PVP.
This#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »So you wanna 1 shot ppl?
Typical pvp whine. Zerglings had trouble killing someone and then asking nerfs in forums. How about l2p?
Buddy there's a difference between one shotting people and what's going on now.
A single tank built right can survive the continued attacks of an entire Zerg for a lengthy period of time. Not only this because there's so many attacking oriented heavy sets now, these guys get the luxury of being able to drop anybody who isn't in heavy armor, while also being practically invincible to people for the better part of a minute. I'm assuming you just haven't set foot in PVP recently to see the state of things. Tanks are practically invincible in every 1 on 1 scenario, and are a huge nuisance even for groups to deal with.
Heavy meta is real, and it's broken.
It's a bit absurd. It should be possible to go 1 on 1 with any class or build. That's how a balanced PVP works. 1 player yeeting on 16 others by taking no damage isn't balanced or fun.
Buddy it is not uncommon to have 30 players zerging me down why shouldn't I be able to have some resistance and last 10 seconds longer. FFS
Because that's a 1 v 30 situation. You don't balance PVP games based around that. That's ridiculous. Because it makes 1 on 1 encounters a slanted joke in your favour. Are you really saying this game should be balance don the basis of Single Player Vs Zerg?
It either needs to be balance don the basis of Zerg vs Zerg, or 1 vs 1. Anything else is imbalanced.
Why does only one playstyle get consideration into how it functions against Zergs? Do you think I, a DPS, enjoy dying in in 0.1 seconds to a Zerg? Nobody does - but atleast YOU have protection as a tank. And believe me, I've seen Tanks drop 10+ players. Videos all over youtube of it. Yeah, that's fun and fair...
No that is me in a 12 man bomb group being focused because of vendettas. lol
You assume a lot.
Learn to interrupt.Edited by TequilaFire on November 4, 2019 4:08AM1 -
ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭The easiest way would be to buff Medium Armor.
Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.0 -
DCZergNoob✭✭✭ArcVelarian wrote: »The easiest way would be to buff Medium Armor.
Which probably wont happen because the bowtards will go crazy if they heard something like improved sneak was getting changed
Obviously not the main reason...but still0 -
Zer0_CooL✭✭✭✭✭
✭What tank meta? All i see, is high burst, speed mist clouds playing parcour.Edited by Zer0_CooL on November 4, 2019 6:44AM0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭DCZergNoob wrote: »Remove/half the battle spirit health passive if your in 5 heavy
Change the improved sneak medium armour passive to something better (its a bad passive) so medium armour is more viable and people start running it again
I think there are more damage sets in heavy then there is in medium. What the hell
Set the PVP CP cap to 501
Atleast one of these things will be a guaranteed success
Im certainly with you on the medium armour front, its fairly useless to have a sneak buff outside of pve, at least that is what I have found, even when "ambushing".0 -
DCZergNoob✭✭✭AbysmalGhul wrote: »It's the end of 2019 and people still cry about PVP...
Awwww im so sorry for starting a discussion about PVP which is 50% of the entire game0 -
Bucky_13✭✭✭✭✭
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I feel sorry for you then, I play PC EU and we have a good population there and dedicated guilds to the campaign. It's so much more fun to play without CP in PvP. Everyone, including me, dies faster which makes more faster combat and less slog. Tanky builds still exists, but they're nowhere near invincible.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DCZergNoob wrote: »
CP lets you pave over the weaknesses of heavy armor pretty effectively.0
