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Toxic potatoes in dungeon finder
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Nevaee✭✭I never kicked anyone out from a random dungeon. Except they started to be insulting or constantly crying, or lecturing others how to play.In Game EU Guild (German): Grollwerk3 -
Naftal✭✭✭✭✭If they split the queue, tanks that only poke the boss every 15 seconds belong in the noob que with the light attack spammer dps.8
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you called them "potatoes", that may be why they kicked you.
Most people don't enjoy being compared to root vegetables.4 -
Thrain✭✭✭✭the other day ive been running vet spindleclutch 1 on my tank, wearing alkosh
my random group pulled impressive 18k of dps, including my own, after buffing and debuffing.
when i asked them what the problem with the dps would be, they didnt reply.
then i told them "no answer = no tank".
i got instantly votekicked
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Zatox✭✭✭✭Stop sending 810+ ppl to DLC dungeon with a 300 CP guys. Experienced player is annoyed by carrying a new players. New players need a space to make mistakes without toxic behavior from their group members.
CP is not a perfect counter to measure a player experience, but it is better than totally random queue.
I cant choose, how i want to run dungeon (3dds, or 2dds + 1heal). Really? This tool a sucks. I cant control CP's of my group members?
Recruitment of your group - is a totally social aspect of the game. But why I should do it from zone chat, and not from User Interface Tool?0 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stop sending 810+ ppl to DLC dungeon with a 300 CP guys. Experienced player is annoyed by carrying a new players. New players need a space to make mistakes without toxic behavior from their group members.
CP is not a perfect counter to measure a player experience, but it is better than totally random queue.
I cant choose, how i want to run dungeon (3dds, or 2dds + 1heal). Really? This tool a sucks. I cant control CP's of my group members?
Recruitment of your group - is a totally social aspect of the game. But why I should do it from zone chat, and not from User Interface Tool?
Lel, their is so many 810 CP that are so bad...
I'd rather carry a newbie who wanna learn than a 810 who can't do basic tutorial move.[ PC EU ]
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Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
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CP level means nothing. I'm well over 810 and there's still a few DLC dungeons I've never been to. Not to mention trials. Too busy questing, crafting, making new characters, etc. You know, playing the game. The XP over time just accumulated to what it is now.
There's also people who got to 810 by power leveling or using bots. People that just copied their builds from youtube and don't have a clue how or why they work. People that are so stuck in the mentality that DPS is everything that they have no idea how any of the mechanics work when they run up against them. And people that are so arrogant about being 810 CP that they can't even recognize when they make a mistake."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."2 -
Zatox✭✭✭✭
high CP - is not a guarantee of good player, that's right. But you have a better probability to find a competent player with high CP, rather than any level CP. And the better probability is better than total random. But we dont have even this in dungeon finder.CP level means nothing..
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ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭the other day ive been running vet spindleclutch 1 on my tank, wearing alkosh
my random group pulled impressive 18k of dps, including my own, after buffing and debuffing.
when i asked them what the problem with the dps would be, they didnt reply.
then i told them "no answer = no tank".
i got instantly votekicked
guess i was lucky
lol at least they kick u instead of holding u hostage2 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
Were you also watching NBA highlights at the time?4 -
MorganaLaVey✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »[...]The equivalent of tank only poking the boss and nothing else for DPS would probably be like one aoe skill and light attack spamming. [...] Are you applying a different standard to yourself than you do to the group?
I wouldn't say that. Tanks, same as Healers are bound to the Content-difficulty, while DPS are not.
Means, while it is very possible to overheal or easy tank you cant over Dps.
A Healer in a normal Dungeon can with two Skills (Orbs & Ele-Drain) provide everything Imported.
All the Heals and Resources the group needs. Sure, he can also heal the nDgn like vSS hm and give 99% overheal, simply cast his Skills in to nothingness and buff the group Dps from 10k to... idk... 12k? But wy?
Same with Tank. If there is no Damage incoming and no Mechanics to do, no Add's to take care off, no Recousces to manage...
Sure, he can also tank the nDgn like vSS hm and keep his shields up 100%, HA with full Recource, Block and dodge Attacks which deal 5k dmg and buff the group Dps from 12k to... idk... 13k? But wy?
Thats different with the Dps because doesnt matter how low the Health of the Enemy is you will feel the difference between 10k Group-dps and 70k Group-dps
Simply said: In easy Content
The Difference between a Tank who uses Skills only once in a while and a Tank who uses Skills all the Time, is very smal.
The Difference between a Dps who uses Skills only once in a while and a Dps who uses Skills all the Time, is very big.
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Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MorganaLaVey wrote: »I wouldn't say that. Tanks, same as Healers are bound to the Content-difficulty, while DPS are not.
Means, while it is very possible to overheal or easy tank you cant over Dps.
Technically you can. It's the reason people are skipping over mechanics, and consequently the reason people can't handle the mechanics when they can't "over DPS" them."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."1 -
MorganaLaVey✭✭✭✭MorganaLaVey wrote: »I wouldn't say that. Tanks, same as Healers are bound to the Content-difficulty, while DPS are not.
Means, while it is very possible to overheal or easy tank you cant over Dps.
Technically you can. It's the reason people are skipping over mechanics, and consequently the reason people can't handle the mechanics when they can't "over DPS" them.
Yea but it still makes the Dungeon recognizable easyer/ shorter. Healing Players at 100% Health, keeping Shields up when you dont need them or buffing your Group-dps by 3k has no Effect at all.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
So what you're saying is that because you've done some of the harder content in game, you're now entitled to do the bare minimum in other dungeon content yet expect more from the rest of your group?
I am entitled to do bare minimum in normal dungeon as a tank regardless of what i cleared.
There are more than enough dps and nowhere near enough tanks.
If anyone should be picky about teammate's performance, it should be the tank.
It seems odd that you suggest you are entitled to do the bare minimum as a tank in normal dungeons then to suggest that you as a tank has more right to be picky about the performance of others. Do you really think you are more important than the others?5 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
Wait a moment here. If you have tanked vCR +3 and vSS HM, why are you even concerned about a random about some punks in a random GF group.
This tells me there is more to the story, that there was more to the group chat that is not included in that SS. Seriously, what tank that clears the toughest content in the game cares about the damage a GF group is doing when they can some top dps to group with.
Something here does not pass the smell test.6 -
Jem_Kindheart✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
Wait a moment here. If you have tanked vCR +3 and vSS HM, why are you even concerned about a random about some punks in a random GF group.
This tells me there is more to the story, that there was more to the group chat that is not included in that SS. Seriously, what tank that clears the toughest content in the game cares about the damage a GF group is doing when they can some top dps to group with.
Something here does not pass the smell test.
Exactly. If someone is that level, allegedly, of endgame, they know better than this. (This is not the first "dungeon ppl are toxic" thread OP has made lol.) And would have access to 133t guildies or friends to run dungeons with. Most endgamers honestly get to where they don't run dungeons much. It's certainly not for the xp, and you're likely to have multiples of every monster set that isn't garbage. The player wouldn't need keys, and that's a terrible way to get transmute crystals, so idk lol.
Frankly about the only reason I run dungeons is if a guildie needs help getting a helm or a clear, if there's an achievement I want/need, doing a cheap daily rando leveling up a new sub-50 toon, or like for events maybe a daily FG1. Unsurprisingly, the dps of my storage toons or rp themed characters is very, very poor lol. I know better than to take them into tough content haha.
Longtimer since beta, the usual. 26 CP toons. ~1700cp on main account, 1000cp on 2nd account. Endgame-ish lol. Most Vets / some HM's cleared.1 -
x4livin✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »Player: We wanted you to have a better group to run with
I have been asked if I was ok doing a dungeon with "noobs"(everyone less than vet and at least one doing the quest. I always tell them I'd be thrilled, it gives me time to explore, but I know sometimes they get tired of having a high level player run the whole dungeon in 3 minutes, when they have never been in there.
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TheChinbone✭✭I can give you a perspective from a recent player.
You are new to the game & mechanics and want to start exploring dungeons, so naturally you queu for the low ones the game allows you to run in the hopes you learn something and dont make a fool of yourself, Dungeon Finder finds you a group and ports you all to the dungeon, with your low lvl toon there's probably another low lvl player and let's say a CP810 dd and a CP300 healer... As soon as you try to understand where to get the quest or how to start the dungeon or how hard this will be etc.. the CP810 dd is already carving a path pulling every mob until the boss (rarely do people have the patience to wait and check if newbies are all set) so you accept the quest (the other lowbie with you didnt accept the quest because he feels pressured to try to keep up and not fall behind) you hit shift to waste the little stamina you have to reach your companions already at the boss having time to lay maybe a range attack on a mob or two. When you reach the boss the healer is DPSing as well to compensate for the low tier players on the group and the boss is over in a flash having no time to understand how hard should the boss be to kill or what type of mechanics it does or how to prevent/escape them with no time as well to check the dungeon out for the first time.
Now If you are a tank and this happens there's no way you understood how to taunt or herd mobs properly and you feel useless. If you are a DD you just get the feeling that dungeons are made to be done as fast as possible and sets a trend that mechanics are secondary to DPS wich will create bad habits making it alot harder down the line (when they really count for suscess) to interiorise them.
You just made a very fast low dungeon but you've learned nothing or very little.
The disparity of lvl of people that can be matched in a group on Dungeon Finder is very dismal and the learning curve/experience suffers for it.
High CP ppl want everything to be done fast and flawless (wich they are entitled to at that lvl of gameplay), while low CP ppl are still learning and failing, hitting and missing, but you still get put in the same mixed groups.
PS: This is the norm but does not happen every single time and i've met high CP players who are patient, compreensive and helpfull when i was lvling.(I'm CP 240 now)2 -
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✭✭Had a really horrible experience with random group finder last night group finder can really bring out the worst people in this game.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
Wait a moment here. If you have tanked vCR +3 and vSS HM, why are you even concerned about a random about some punks in a random GF group.
This tells me there is more to the story, that there was more to the group chat that is not included in that SS. Seriously, what tank that clears the toughest content in the game cares about the damage a GF group is doing when they can some top dps to group with.
Something here does not pass the smell test.
What i did not include in the ss, is their text about me should not just stand there, that’s all.
Edit: And you are very wrong about tanks who done end game not care about group dps, no one wants to waste a crap ton of time in an easy dungeon.Edited by ForzaRammer on November 4, 2019 4:31PM0 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭ForzaRammer wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
So what you're saying is that because you've done some of the harder content in game, you're now entitled to do the bare minimum in other dungeon content yet expect more from the rest of your group?
I am entitled to do bare minimum in normal dungeon as a tank regardless of what i cleared.
There are more than enough dps and nowhere near enough tanks.
If anyone should be picky about teammate's performance, it should be the tank.
It seems odd that you suggest you are entitled to do the bare minimum as a tank in normal dungeons then to suggest that you as a tank has more right to be picky about the performance of others. Do you really think you are more important than the others?
I don’t just believe i am more important, I believe all tanks are more important in group finder.
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ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
Were you also watching NBA highlights at the time?
No, those contents I actually need to give full effort0 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jem_Kindheart wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
Wait a moment here. If you have tanked vCR +3 and vSS HM, why are you even concerned about a random about some punks in a random GF group.
This tells me there is more to the story, that there was more to the group chat that is not included in that SS. Seriously, what tank that clears the toughest content in the game cares about the damage a GF group is doing when they can some top dps to group with.
Something here does not pass the smell test.
Exactly. If someone is that level, allegedly, of endgame, they know better than this. (This is not the first "dungeon ppl are toxic" thread OP has made lol.) And would have access to 133t guildies or friends to run dungeons with. Most endgamers honestly get to where they don't run dungeons much. It's certainly not for the xp, and you're likely to have multiples of every monster set that isn't garbage. The player wouldn't need keys, and that's a terrible way to get transmute crystals, so idk lol.
Frankly about the only reason I run dungeons is if a guildie needs help getting a helm or a clear, if there's an achievement I want/need, doing a cheap daily rando leveling up a new sub-50 toon, or like for events maybe a daily FG1. Unsurprisingly, the dps of my storage toons or rp themed characters is very, very poor lol. I know better than to take them into tough content haha.
I was getting exp to morph 1h+shield ult on my pvp toon. And you are right, non of the l33t players do these basic dungeons regularly.0 -
JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭I once sat through 10+ minutes of watching a tank solo veteran tempest island when the rest of us wiped (I was on healz; my fault, yes yes). Pretty sure his dps was around 3-4k but it didn't matter - he carried us and we all finished the content. Nobody was upset about it (even the tank), we were all having a good time.
FWIW, the tank was running a Warden with lots of tree spamming.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I once sat through 10+ minutes of watching a tank solo veteran tempest island when the rest of us wiped (I was on healz; my fault, yes yes). Pretty sure his dps was around 3-4k but it didn't matter - he carried us and we all finished the content. Nobody was upset about it (even the tank), we were all having a good time.
FWIW, the tank was running a Warden with lots of tree spamming.
Yeah I've had to do that many times on my tank.
That's one of the reasons I like to queue up as tank in the first place. Because they can often comfortably finish off a boss if the group wipes, which increases my chances for success when using the activity finder.
Also: I should point out it's not necessarily your fault on that fight if everyone else died (except the tank) just because you were the healer. If the DPS weren't moving into close proximity of the boss after her AoE attack and were getting killed by her charge as a result, then that was on them and not you. Healers often assume the blame for wipes when it's actually not their fault.Edited by Jeremy on November 4, 2019 7:14PM0 -
JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭I once sat through 10+ minutes of watching a tank solo veteran tempest island when the rest of us wiped (I was on healz; my fault, yes yes). Pretty sure his dps was around 3-4k but it didn't matter - he carried us and we all finished the content. Nobody was upset about it (even the tank), we were all having a good time.
FWIW, the tank was running a Warden with lots of tree spamming.
Yeah I've had to do that many times on my tank.
That's one of the reasons I like to queue up as tank in the first place. Because they can often comfortably finish off a boss if the group wipes, which increases my chances for success when using the activity finder.
Also: I should point out it's not necessarily your fault on that fight if everyone else died (except the tank) just because you were the healer. If the DPS weren't moving into close proximity of the boss after her AoE attack and were getting killed by her charge attack as a result, then that was on them and not you. Healers often assume the blame for wipes when it's actually not their fault.
In this case I was rusty on the mechanic and the dps were low-CP so this was their first vet run. The last boss randomly targets a player and only the tank can survive without blocking. I missed my block and as soon as I went down the two dps immediately fell. He couldn't get the rez because of the blowing winds kept interrupting him. So he just took the initiative and spammed puncture until the boss went down. Honestly, it was the first time I saw a tank burn down a boss. The usual procedure is to declare a wipe followed by all the rage-quits.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I once sat through 10+ minutes of watching a tank solo veteran tempest island when the rest of us wiped (I was on healz; my fault, yes yes). Pretty sure his dps was around 3-4k but it didn't matter - he carried us and we all finished the content. Nobody was upset about it (even the tank), we were all having a good time.
FWIW, the tank was running a Warden with lots of tree spamming.
Yeah I've had to do that many times on my tank.
That's one of the reasons I like to queue up as tank in the first place. Because they can often comfortably finish off a boss if the group wipes, which increases my chances for success when using the activity finder.
Also: I should point out it's not necessarily your fault on that fight if everyone else died (except the tank) just because you were the healer. If the DPS weren't moving into close proximity of the boss after her AoE attack and were getting killed by her charge attack as a result, then that was on them and not you. Healers often assume the blame for wipes when it's actually not their fault.
In this case I was rusty on the mechanic and the dps were low-CP so this was their first vet run. The last boss randomly targets a player and only the tank can survive without blocking. I missed my block and as soon as I went down the two dps immediately fell. He couldn't get the rez because of the blowing winds kept interrupting him. So he just took the initiative and spammed puncture until the boss went down. Honestly, it was the first time I saw a tank burn down a boss. The usual procedure is to declare a wipe followed by all the rage-quits.
The charge attack I'm talking about isn't random. She attacks players who move too far away from her. If you stay near to her she doesn't do it.
She does have a random lightning move, so maybe that is what you are referring to. That move has never one shot me though, even when I play my healer and even without blocking. But I do tend to build my healer more defensively than most.
I've learned there are quite a few bosses on this game who have a fairly strong random attack mechanic. So I try to make sure all my characters have at least enough defense and health to live through those because they are often very fast with little to no warning and to rely on blocks and dodges for them is a risky business.Edited by Jeremy on November 4, 2019 7:38PM0 -
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✭✭I once sat through 10+ minutes of watching a tank solo veteran tempest island when the rest of us wiped (I was on healz; my fault, yes yes). Pretty sure his dps was around 3-4k but it didn't matter - he carried us and we all finished the content. Nobody was upset about it (even the tank), we were all having a good time.
FWIW, the tank was running a Warden with lots of tree spamming.
I dont have a problem doing that as a tank. Has happened to me many times. What I cant stand is when you tell a less experienced player that doesnt know the mechanics, what to do and he ignores you. A 160cp level DD was in my vWGT group and he either ignored the Atronach spawned by Molag Kena or died in the aoe or was attacking Kena when she was in her barrier. When I told him that he should listen to what I was telling him to do, he called me toxic trash and left group.
I like helping less experienced people in game but only when they want to cooperate.0 -
TimeViewer✭✭✭✭been kicked as a healer when tank faced the boss at the dps and dps stood in AOEs, yup totally healer's fault that I can't cure stupid
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