redspecter23 wrote: »I was in a group the other day. Banished Cells 2 on vet. When my random popped it was a healer and dps on the end fight. I tried as hard as I could, but my dps wasn't good enough to kill the boss before the tank was overwhelmed with 8+ daedroths. I was pulling 30k - 35k which I thought was respectable for that fight. The other dps? 3k max. He was using Bandit UI with damage so I could see the exact number. It just wasn't going to happen.
ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
Lady_Linux wrote: »NERF Group finder. No more GF for anyone. Solo FG1 every day instead. Problem solved.
ForzaRammer wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »
Queue for dlc vets only.
Very wrong, only about 70% of players que dlc vets are half decent or better. Every other run i get at least 1 potato.
Yeah, 70% looks similar to what I see. But is it bad? Sometimes one of the dps can carry for 2 and if not, lesser one is kicked or moved by himself.ZOS_RogerJ wrote: »Just a friendly reminder, as we've edited some posts, to keep the thread on topic and constructive.
Shame you also don't remove the elitist messages from the people that contribute to the most toxic MMO experience in existence
Kicking well below average player who are nothing but dead weight is toxic?
Entitled potatoes abuse the system and ruin other people's fun is not toxic?
FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »
Queue for dlc vets only.
Very wrong, only about 70% of players que dlc vets are half decent or better. Every other run i get at least 1 potato.
Yeah, 70% looks similar to what I see. But is it bad? Sometimes one of the dps can carry for 2 and if not, lesser one is kicked or moved by himself.ZOS_RogerJ wrote: »Just a friendly reminder, as we've edited some posts, to keep the thread on topic and constructive.
Shame you also don't remove the elitist messages from the people that contribute to the most toxic MMO experience in existence
Kicking well below average player who are nothing but dead weight is toxic?
Entitled potatoes abuse the system and ruin other people's fun is not toxic?
Do what the rest of us do to advoid the toxic potatoes. Always have a pre-formed party. Make connections in guilds. Get good so other people would actually want to run with you. Boom, now you can avoid all the toxic potatoes like the rest of us.
You don't want to do the above? Fine, then be quiet and accept the pain coming to you.
ForzaRammer wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »LaveniaRose wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I feel like for a thread started by a tank who by own admission was too lazy to stop watching TV and give minimal effort whining about DDs also putting in minimal effort, this conversation has continued for far too long.
There is nothing wrong with tank giving minimum effort. There is everything wrong with sub 10k potato dps demand tank to do dmg.
The tank was hitting a taunt only from his comments. I think any reasonable dps is allowed to want him to consider at least hitting low slash and maybe another DOT. This tank was obnoxious and the dps weren't good at the game. I'd hardly call the dps "toxic potatoes" after reading the whole thread. But I might use that term for the tank.
Lol, I tanked vcr hm vss hm, so pretty sure i am not a potato, and i did those with < 3k dps.
So what you're saying is that because you've done some of the harder content in game, you're now entitled to do the bare minimum in other dungeon content yet expect more from the rest of your group?
I am entitled to do bare minimum in normal dungeon as a tank regardless of what i cleared.
There are more than enough dps and nowhere near enough tanks.
If anyone should be picky about teammate's performance, it should be the tank.
ForzaRammer wrote: »I am entitled to do bare minimum in normal dungeon as a tank regardless of what i cleared.
There are more than enough dps and nowhere near enough tanks.
If anyone should be picky about teammate's performance, it should be the tank.
Why?
If your only going to do the bare minimum, why would you expect more from anyone else?
ForzaRammer wrote: »I am entitled to do bare minimum in normal dungeon as a tank regardless of what i cleared.
There are more than enough dps and nowhere near enough tanks.
If anyone should be picky about teammate's performance, it should be the tank.
Why?
If your only going to do the bare minimum, why would you expect more from anyone else?
If I understood him right : DDs are everywhere but tanks are in high demand so they are entitled to go around on high horses.
He was lazy, they were lazier. Accidents like that can happen.
Anyway, the nurse is going to come change his bandages and I hear she found Clannfear plasters!
So I'll just let the flowers on that table there.
I hope you feel better soon !
gatekeeper13 wrote: »Also, I dont know any tank who uses Ransack and not Puncture.
alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »Fed up of Potatoes in your group?
Only run with friends or join a guild.
Bonus pro tip: Guilds are not just for trading.
oli.j.reillyb16_ESO wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »Also, I dont know any tank who uses Ransack and not Puncture.
Ransack is a genuine option for DKs since they added Minor Protection. Assuming you trust your healers with ele-drain for Breach its preferable to giving up an ulti slot for the same effect (Should you want it). Wardens, Templars + NB tanks all have the buff on tap.
So very far from ‘useless’ - and that tankyness may not be necessary in a basegame dungeon but I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand. I assure you it’s quite noticeable in raid or HM DLCs. Every bit of damage you don’t take makes your healers uptime life easier after all - that would make the decision far from being a selfish one, no?
Granted solo pugging dungeons I wouldn’t risk it but if you run with a regular, reliable healer - the Breach on Pierce is far more useless than Ransack.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »oli.j.reillyb16_ESO wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »Also, I dont know any tank who uses Ransack and not Puncture.
Ransack is a genuine option for DKs since they added Minor Protection. Assuming you trust your healers with ele-drain for Breach its preferable to giving up an ulti slot for the same effect (Should you want it). Wardens, Templars + NB tanks all have the buff on tap.
So very far from ‘useless’ - and that tankyness may not be necessary in a basegame dungeon but I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand. I assure you it’s quite noticeable in raid or HM DLCs. Every bit of damage you don’t take makes your healers uptime life easier after all - that would make the decision far from being a selfish one, no?
Granted solo pugging dungeons I wouldn’t risk it but if you run with a regular, reliable healer - the Breach on Pierce is far more useless than Ransack.
If you have a regular, reliable healer, you dont need the Minor Protection from Ransack. ;-) And I dont think the healer's job is to use Elemental Drain in tough DLC situations, when the tank can put Breach with the same skill that puts Fracture. Healer's job is to heal, buff and give synergies. And in the case where the healer does not use Breach and the tank uses Ransack, the DDs work become a lot harder. Personally, dont know any tank who uses Ransack and never seen a build by any known tank like Woeler who uses it. Not saying that it wont help you with dmg mitigation but it does not benefit the group as Pierce Armor does.
I know Necro tanks that do as they get fracture from graveyard. Also don’t forget a lot of groups don’t run healers.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »I know Necro tanks that do as they get fracture from graveyard. Also don’t forget a lot of groups don’t run healers.
Thats a skill of a specific class, plus it costs hell lot magicka. And non healer groups aren't the normal. I am talking about the standard group setup most people use.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »I know Necro tanks that do as they get fracture from graveyard. Also don’t forget a lot of groups don’t run healers.
Thats a skill of a specific class, plus it costs hell lot magicka. And non healer groups aren't the normal. I am talking about the standard group setup most people use.
I think things are at a stage now where even that’s very debatable. Hardly anyone I know runs with a healer in four man content these days as self heals are still strong enough to suffice. So is it still the norm? I’m starting to doubt it.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »I know Necro tanks that do as they get fracture from graveyard. Also don’t forget a lot of groups don’t run healers.
Thats a skill of a specific class, plus it costs hell lot magicka. And non healer groups aren't the normal. I am talking about the standard group setup most people use.
I think things are at a stage now where even that’s very debatable. Hardly anyone I know runs with a healer in four man content these days as self heals are still strong enough to suffice. So is it still the norm? I’m starting to doubt it.
Hardly anyone? I am in 2 very active guilds with lots of members and everyone I see asking for group, is asking for a healer too 90% of the time. The norm is 1t, 1h, 2 dd and the game was built around that. If there are people that want to play 3dd, 1t, its just their preference. Not the norm. If I see a fake healer in pug in a demanding dungeon, its instant kick.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »I know Necro tanks that do as they get fracture from graveyard. Also don’t forget a lot of groups don’t run healers.
Thats a skill of a specific class, plus it costs hell lot magicka. And non healer groups aren't the normal. I am talking about the standard group setup most people use.
I think things are at a stage now where even that’s very debatable. Hardly anyone I know runs with a healer in four man content these days as self heals are still strong enough to suffice. So is it still the norm? I’m starting to doubt it.
Hardly anyone? I am in 2 very active guilds with lots of members and everyone I see asking for group, is asking for a healer too 90% of the time. The norm is 1t, 1h, 2 dd and the game was built around that. If there are people that want to play 3dd, 1t, its just their preference. Not the norm. If I see a fake healer in pug in a demanding dungeon, its instant kick.
It may not be how it was originally designed but from what I’ve seen almost every group all three of my guilds puts together for dungeons, whether they be easy or speed/no death/hm in DLC’s is made up of 3 dps and a tank. Self healing in this game is still reliable enough to not need a pure healer. It seems to be the set up of choice when I go in groups outside of guilds as well. Not saying no one does it the original way, but I’ve got to say it’s been a damn long time since I’ve seen a pure healer in a dungeon. That’s just what I’ve seen, so it’s the norm from my perspective, you’ve obviously experienced something different.
BeamsForDemacia wrote: »Maybe dont instant kick a fake heal as it might be the dd that carrys the group xD, yeah i think having a heal is still common but if u have experienced strong dds many ppl also go for triples with 3 dds as it just doesnt matter
ZOS_RogerJ wrote: »Just a friendly reminder, as we've edited some posts, to keep the thread on topic and constructive.