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PLAYERS WHO HAVE NO MONEY ON ESO + <PROPOSAL>
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »
How is this even close to greedy?That would only be 12 days out of the year total.
It's not about the volume, it's about the cumulative effect. A free day every month would encourage people to avoid subscribing, and just plan their playtime around logging in on that day to shovel everything into the bag, hit the DLC content they wanted to experience, and then sticking a pin in whatever they couldn't get to for next month.
I don't think it's coming from greed, but it would be detrimental.2 -
MehrunesFlagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭starkerealm wrote: »MehrunesFlagon wrote: »
How is this even close to greedy?That would only be 12 days out of the year total.
It's not about the volume, it's about the cumulative effect. A free day every month would encourage people to avoid subscribing, and just plan their playtime around logging in on that day to shovel everything into the bag, hit the DLC content they wanted to experience, and then sticking a pin in whatever they couldn't get to for next month.
I don't think it's coming from greed, but it would be detrimental.
Perhapsiif say only the 2x housing space,costume dying and craft bag were included.1 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »No dude... this entire post reinforces my point that you don't know what "every dollar counts" poor really is.
It doesn't matter tho really. No matter how rich or poor you are, you are never entitled to a company's products and services, or the labor efforts of other people for free.
Oh don't get me wrong. That's not at all what I was saying. In fact I disagree with the OPs suggestion of a day of free ESO+ subs every month, though I can certainly empathize with his inventory space frustrations.
My point was more about this "get a job, loser" attitude that has presented itself all over this thread. There's a lot of cases where it's just not that simple, and it could be caused by anything from living in an extremely poor nation to illness to just being a retiree living on a fixed income."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MehrunesFlagon wrote: »
How is this even close to greedy?That would only be 12 days out of the year total.
It's not about the volume, it's about the cumulative effect. A free day every month would encourage people to avoid subscribing, and just plan their playtime around logging in on that day to shovel everything into the bag, hit the DLC content they wanted to experience, and then sticking a pin in whatever they couldn't get to for next month.
I don't think it's coming from greed, but it would be detrimental.
Perhapsiif say only the 2x housing space,costume dying and craft bag were included.
I mean, how often do you really mess with your costume dyes? That's another case where you could just say, "well, I could recolor my costume or just wait for Friday and do it then."
This is especially true of any bonus that has a persistent effect that extends beyond the subscription period.1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »I will be more for return to mandatory subscription (with fixes to performance and balance) and ZOS working on keeping existing players in-game, instead of current crown store based model with clear purpose to lure in more newbies who will buy more in CS then veterans.
But we all know the performance issues in this game aren’t going anywhere so this is a non issue. No way I’m paying for this game anymore.3 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only reason I sub is for the bag. I’d pay more to sub even if they got rid of those obnoxious dungeons from the random list.0 -
Van_Winkle✭✭✭✭Isn't there already enough restrictions for NOT A FREE-TO-PLAY game? All this events and gifts are nice, but they are not help players in common life. One free ESO+ day per months will be at least helpful.1 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Van_Winkle wrote: »Isn't there already enough restrictions for NOT A FREE-TO-PLAY game? All this events and gifts are nice, but they are not help players in common life. One free ESO+ day per months will be at least helpful.
Such as?0 -
Haenk✭✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »It’s the ESO billionaire class exploiting the low income majority of the population. They can buy whatever they want, while the rest of the population can’t afford basic healthcare (potions), food (especially gold food), and education (riding lessons).
You can't buy ESO+ with play money.
Honestly, ESO without "Plus" is like "ESO light" - to get you started and learn how to play. Probably enough when only playing occasionally. If you want to play on a regular base, cough up like 50 cent per day.
(On a sidenote, this has been different, when ESO started. You could do OK without that crafting bag. Now it's almost impossible, if you want to craft things...)2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »It’s the ESO billionaire class exploiting the low income majority of the population. They can buy whatever they want, while the rest of the population can’t afford basic healthcare (potions), food (especially gold food), and education (riding lessons).
You can't buy ESO+ with play money.
Honestly, ESO without "Plus" is like "ESO light" - to get you started and learn how to play. Probably enough when only playing occasionally. If you want to play on a regular base, cough up like 50 cent per day.
(On a sidenote, this has been different, when ESO started. You could do OK without that crafting bag. Now it's almost impossible, if you want to craft things...)
That, "if you want to craft things," condition is kinda important. Crafting is very useful, and is the source of the game's best consumables, but it's not mandatory. So, while I agree that the craft bag is a huge boon, you're not really excluded from playing the game if you're not ESO+ (unless of course, you're wanting to do DLC content with friends and don't have access.)2 -
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✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Well, they could introduce ESO+ tokens (like WoW does), but I really doubt that they would give craft bag for free.
But the problem with selling crown stuff for gold is that there's not much to spend gold on, so I don't think it would be very succesful.
This.
It would destroy the blackmarket for gold overnight if ZOS introduced Chapters and ESO+ sales for gold, and while they are at it properly support crown/gold transactions.
Crowns for Gold
Player A has crowns to sell, Player B has gold and wants an item from crown store.
Player A and B initiate trade.
Player B places gold in trade window.
Player A can browse the crown store from within the trade window and place items in the trade window.
When both players agree Gold transfers to Player A, and Player A buys and sends crown item for B.
ESO+/Chapters for Gold
Player A and B initiates trade.
Player B places gold in trade window.
Player A goes to a different window specifically for renewing ESO+ and latest Chapter purchases
Player A puts payment details in, or is sent to a window that does this.
Player A puts token for ESO+ / Chapter in trade window (not yet purchased)
Player A and B accept trade pending transaction confirmation.
$$ Transaction approves - Trade complete
$$ Transaction fails - Trade fails
Tokens for guild stores
All crown store items (for crowns), Chapters and 3 and 6 months ESO+ tokens (for $$) can be purchasable in token form and placed on guild stores.
This would result in people with money essentially buying gold off players for in game content rather than shadey black market sites for a profit. This would result in more people getting access to more content. It makes no difference to ZOS if they sell 100 units to 1 person than to sell 1 unit each to 100 people. This would more likely result in more sales for ZOS as people that have gold and may not have a desire to spend money are directly connected to ESO players with money and a desire for gold.2 -
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✭✭xxthir13enxx wrote: »Umm...as an add-on to this proposal perhaps ZoS could start paying me for my time spent online in this game
Some of the content is so bad that is ONLY way they could get me to play it.
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse.0 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭why do ppl insist on comparing ESO to WOW ect ect? if you want X,Y or Z like it is in WOW go play WOW2 -
HjorrMundGandr✭✭✭I would be totally on-board with this. At first I was thinking, well that's unfair for the people that pay for eso+. But they get the crowns, Miniatures and cheaper crown specials...
While I think that this would be bad for all the hoarders out there, come on you all can spend a little time and sell all those mats that you are not ever going to use.
I'm speaking for myself here remembering when I had eso+, you do save on time and the cash-flow in-game is greatly accelerated. But that's all it really is, just a convenience.
If I had eso+ and they implemented this I would feel a little betrayed that something I payed for is being offered up so easily.
But now as it stands, not having eso+ currently, it would be the greatest thing for my home storage and ease of access with my inventory. * again its the hoarder in me talking.
Maybe a good thing to implement every few months as a login reward towards the end of the month. It would definitely increase the amount of players logging in just for that, which could be a good thing?
Surviving without eso+, im doing just fine. 1 free day would not tempt me to repurchase. Maybe in the future if eso+ has more benefits than it currently has, i'll resub but until then... 3 times a year will suffice.
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Give every month one day free ESO+ so that at least players who can't afford the fees can free up space in the sack and give craft items to the craft bag.
I share your frustration, its what led to me paying for ESO+. But for those who cannot afford this I know it makes any form of crafting incredibly difficult.
I would support such an idea, but I doubt ZOS would.1 -
Haenk✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »you're not really excluded from playing the game if you're not ESO+ (unless of course, you're wanting to do DLC content with friends and don't have access.)
Right. If you limit yourself enough, you can pretty much have a lot of the content available. Personally, that would reduce my fun too much, but it's certainly doable. Like "do only PVP" - that's when you need no craft bag.0 -
xxthir13enxx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ooh...governmental subsidies for gamers!!! It’s called parks and recreation After all!!!!
Why should only parks n swimming pools get all the monies....give us a bit of the bank to pay for our gaming addictions er...I mean recreations!!!0 -
fierackas✭✭✭✭✭Personally I'd prefer a return to a subscription model - if people don't want to pay to support the game then they can leave. This would have the added benefit of lessening the server load which in turn should improve game performance.2
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xxthir13enxx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gunna steal this...
To point out this...HjorrMundGandr wrote: »
Alienoutlaw wrote: »why do ppl insist on comparing ESO to WOW ect ect? if you want X,Y or Z like it is in WOW go play WOW
Sorry but pet peeve alert:
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SpiderKnight✭✭✭✭✭
✭I also want fancy, expensive restaurants to deliver at least one of their finest meals to my house for free once a month. Maybe even throw in some wine and dessert.Edited by SpiderKnight on October 17, 2019 2:26PM3 -
amapola76✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, they already do it approximately once a quarter, and it's usually for 3-4 days at a time. So, that's equal to or more than one day a month, in terms of total number of days per year.
I have ESO+, but my kid doesn't on his account, and the free days have been sufficient for stocking up the crafting bag with just a little planning.2 -
Nevaee✭✭Well, I know paying for a game/subscription can be difficult when you play from a country with lesser general income. No one in Mexico or other EU eastern parts can afford to pay $10 a month for an online game. But this is up to Zos to offer different price bundles for such countries then if not already in place.
As for an US or EU player there is trial time. Extra's such as crafting bags requires ESO+ and there should be no problem to afford that. The makers of the game also do not get free servers or free people to make the game possible, so why should they offer stuff for free?In Game EU Guild (German): Grollwerk0 -
tallenn✭✭✭All of these ideas are pretty much one-sided. What's in it for ZOS? How does this help them make more money? What's their incentive to offer these things? If you want ZOS to seriously consider your idea, you have consider it from their side.
In order for ZOS to even consider a change to ESO plus, it would have to make them MORE money than it does now, or at the very least, the same. Companies aren't against providing more service, as long as the net is at least as good as current. The bottom line is.. well, the bottom line. If providing something more helps the bottom line, that's something that might be considered. If it hurts it, there's just no chance.
All of what I've read here has one thing in common: people want access to the benefits of the crafting bag without paying the current ESO subscription price. Sure, I'd like that too, but unless you can find a way to make ZOS want it also, it's a non-starter.3
