The Gold Road Chapter – which includes the Scribing system – and Update 42 is now available to test on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/
Maintenance for the week of April 29:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 29
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PLAYERS WHO HAVE NO MONEY ON ESO + <PROPOSAL>
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jircris11✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »I will be more for return to mandatory subscription (with fixes to performance and balance) and ZOS working on keeping existing players in-game, instead of current crown store based model with clear purpose to lure in more newbies who will buy more in CS then veterans.
Idk I know TONS of vets who use the CS including me. Then again it's mostly the free crowns I get for being a sub.IGN: Ki'rah
Khajiit/Vampire
DC/AD faction/NA server.
RPer0 -
Simon_PL✭This can be a loss for the producer - yes here you all have right
Yes friends, payment for game -> if game developer; update / patch / create events is very good here ESO is on TOP. But I'm ashamed writing ... Im not rich in my country ... 260 $ in a month my profit
I only try give proposition and I agree with your analyzes \ o /
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IndianaJames7✭✭✭✭✭Thorvik_Tyrson wrote: »@OP - No. If you are playing the game enough to want the bag, then support the game and pay for it.
Concise and accurate. Nothing else needs to be said here.4 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What they should do is add ESO monthly sub tokens like WoW does, have it cost 5$ more and be able to sell in game for a set price in game2 -
Kalik_Gold✭✭✭✭✭
✭Make a personal guild - 500 slots and stick everything in there until the ESO+ free week. Then empty it to Craft Bag.
Every 3 months they give a FREE Week to move items: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/category/esoplus
02/2019
05/2019
08/2019
Next Free Week should be in 11/2019
Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
__________________________Backstories:_________________________
Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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PrimusNephilim✭✭✭✭✭Give every month one day free ESO+ so that at least players who can't afford the fees can free up space in the sack and give craft items to the craft bag.
if you can't afford the low cost of ESO +, you'll might want to reevaluate your current situation, get a skill, stick with it and start a career.
not trying to be a jerk or anything but looking for hand outs throughout life is no way to live a life.2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For players with no money Zos made it so you do not have to pay anything and still enjoy the game. Heck, OP can even play all DLCS multiple times a year when they have the ESO+ trials. I am surprised someone would feel so entitled to ask for even more for free.4 -
SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ahhh No. This will just erode the value of people who pay for it.
If you can't afford it, get a job
If you already have a job and still can't afford, quit playing games and get yourself a real job (or 2nd job) so you can afford itNA PC | AD
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bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Give every month one day free ESO+ so that at least players who can't afford the fees can free up space in the sack and give craft items to the craft bag.
That is the point they want you to have inventory problems to nudge you towards subscribing.
Same with the double bank/house storage.1 -
Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭I_am_Groot wrote: »Give every month one day free ESO+ so that at least players who can't afford the fees can free up space in the sack and give craft items to the craft bag.
if you can't afford the low cost of ESO +, you'll might want to reevaluate your current situation, get a skill, stick with it and start a career.
not trying to be a jerk or anything but looking for hand outs throughout life is no way to live a life.Ahhh No. This will just erode the value of people who pay for it.
If you can't afford it, get a job
If you already have a job and still can't afford, quit playing games and get yourself a real job (or 2nd job) so you can afford it
Hey, guys. I'm not saying you're wrong - man always has to do something in his life indeed, it's obvious. You know that ancient Roman saying: ducunt volentem Fata, nolentem trahunt.. Well, watch this short video 1:45 minutes length I attach below. It's from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I suppose you've read it or at least watched the movie. Almost the same situation of misunderstanding here. When you come to see a far distance depressed settlement you might see it at least two different ways: 1. Look at those people - they are so lazy and do not want to work and thus they are so poor and 2. Look at those people - they are so oppressed by their superiors who rob them and thus they are so poor. Which way to look?..
That guy might live in a god-forsaken place in the middle of nowhere with no ability to do anything even if he is a local Einstein. His local social being determines his consciousness while your being determines yours. And nevertheless you give him words of advice
? He is the only one here who can know what he can do. This is not ESO, no one of us decides of whom and where to "spawn", to be born. You are like an author of the "How to leave your comfort area" book who lives in New York teaching a Chuckchee reindeer-herder how the one could actually do it 
. You might live in absolutely different worlds. You don't know what life he lives but he seems to be aware of yours.
- Dear colleagues, good day! I see there are no free seats in there.. That's good! Could you remind me the topic of our seminar?
- It's "How to earn a million in one day?"!
- Ok.. How many seats are there in this lecture hall?
- 1000!
- How much have you paid to enter?
- 1000!
- Thank you all, this personal development training is over, see you next time!
Edited by Aigym_Hlervu on October 16, 2019 11:12PM0 -
Darkenarlol✭✭✭✭✭
✭beggars like blackmailers you should
never give them what they ask for
because by giving them even a little
you just encourage them to continue.
be an adult and get a frigging job
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✭✭✭✭✭Darkenarlol wrote: »be an adult and get a frigging job
Not being pejorative about it, but I kinda get the vibe that the OP isn't an adult, and as a result can't get a job. Puts us at the same place, not gonna happen, but, there may be an actual consideration.
Also, there is a legitimate issue for players in some countries where $15 a month is, actually, a lot of money. Not really relevant for our purposes at the moment, but, you know, worth remembering.4 -
YaYaPineapple✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Also, there is a legitimate issue for players in some countries where $15 a month is, actually, a lot of money. Not really relevant for our purposes at the moment, but, you know, worth remembering.
People should consume entertainment which is within their personal budget. This applies to every location on the planet, and every socio-economic level.
If ESO is too expensive where someone lives, then they should choose a less expensive form of entertainment.
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✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
Also, there is a legitimate issue for players in some countries where $15 a month is, actually, a lot of money. Not really relevant for our purposes at the moment, but, you know, worth remembering.
People should consume entertainment which is within their personal budget. This applies to every location on the planet, and every socio-economic level.
If ESO is too expensive where someone lives, then they should choose a less expensive form of entertainment.
Yeah. Something like watching paint dry.
Oh, wait. Can't afford paint either.
Seriously though, there are a lot of people out there who are in situations where every single dollar counts and it may not be as simple as "get a real job"."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."5 -
YaYaPineapple✭✭✭✭Seriously though, there are a lot of people out there who are in situations where every single dollar counts and it may not be as simple as "get a real job".
People living in situations where every dollar TRULY counts are not playing fantasy video games on expensive computers over the internet.
Edited by YaYaPineapple on October 17, 2019 2:20AM4 -
cmvet✭✭✭Give every month one day free ESO+ so that at least players who can't afford the fees can free up space in the sack and give craft items to the craft bag.
Ahhhhh, the socialists have come to eso..... Damn you Bernie Sanders..... I think my Eso+ sub should also give me access to free health care. Damn, Why do I have to work to make money to pay for something I want to do.0 -
xbangax✭✭Give every month one day free ESO+ so that at least players who can't afford the fees can free up space in the sack and give craft items to the craft bag.
Ahhhhh, the socialists have come to eso..... Damn you Bernie Sanders..... I think my Eso+ sub should also give me access to free health care. Damn, Why do I have to work to make money to pay for something I want to do.
These guys are literally everywhere xbox live, psn, eso, csgo, league, fortnite, youtube, reddit. . . probably on myspace too lol they just gotta bring politics into every topic and conversation. Sad.
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✭✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »Seriously though, there are a lot of people out there who are in situations where every single dollar counts and it may not be as simple as "get a real job".
People living in situations where every dollar TRULY counts are not playing fantasy video games on expensive computers over the internet.
Incorrect. I have been in that situation in the past, and finding any way to escape reality, even if it was for a few hours, was vital to maintaining emotional and psychological health.
So, such people do exist.
It doesn't mean they need to be preferentially catered to, but as I said, they do exist.5 -
YaYaPineapple✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Incorrect. I have been in that situation in the past, and finding any way to escape reality, even if it was for a few hours, was vital to maintaining emotional and psychological health.
So, such people do exist.
It doesn't mean they need to be preferentially catered to, but as I said, they do exist.
If you have a computer, high speed internet, and electricity, you don't know what "every dollar counts" means.
You are not entitled to free entertainment, and you are not entitled to any company's product just because you "want" it.
I tried telling the Ferrari dealership how much I loved their cars, and I asked if they could give me one for free since I like them so much, and driving a Ferrari really helps me to escape the reality of my miserable life situation.... but I don't make enough money to pay for one, and you know, "every dollar counts" in my budget. Can you guess what their response was?
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Incorrect. I have been in that situation in the past, and finding any way to escape reality, even if it was for a few hours, was vital to maintaining emotional and psychological health.
So, such people do exist.
It doesn't mean they need to be preferentially catered to, but as I said, they do exist.
If you have a computer, high speed internet, and electricity, you don't know what "every dollar counts" means.
You are not entitled to free entertainment, and you are not entitled to any company's product just because you "want" it.
I tried telling the Ferrari dealership how much I loved their cars, and I asked if they could give me one for free since I like them so much, and driving a Ferrari really helps me to escape the reality of my miserable life situation.... but I don't make enough money to pay for one, and you know, "every dollar counts" in my budget. Can you guess what their response was?
I'm going to step away fron the ESO+ thing and just focus on the bolded part.
Here's that awkward thing about poverty in developed countries. Its entirely possible for one to have a computer, tolerable internet, and 10 bucks to buy ESO, and still be poor. Even very poor. Even "make every dollar count" poor.
In fact, depending on your job, that computer and internet may well be a necessity of keeping that job. Or needed for your kids to do schoolwork without having to rely on public library computers that they may or may not have reliable or safe access to. Or it might well be a luxury you scrap together every extra dollar for because it's something that provides a lot more hours of entertainment per dollar than a movie.
Someone in that situation probably isn't buying ESO+, but its not like those people don't exist and can't play ESO.
The following isn't directly solely at you, but rather musing on a general trend I've notoced on these types of threads.
I'm generally of the "subscribe or do without" mindset myself, but what is it about these threads that suddenly lots of people feel compelled to spout talking points like "get a job" or even "get a second job" like a host of armchair experts in household finances? What is it about these threads that suddenly everyone feels the need to second-guess someone else's financial situation? Or nitpick other people's lived experiences with poverty?
Why do we do that?Edited by VaranisArano on October 17, 2019 3:53AM8 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »YaYaPineapple wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Incorrect. I have been in that situation in the past, and finding any way to escape reality, even if it was for a few hours, was vital to maintaining emotional and psychological health.
So, such people do exist.
It doesn't mean they need to be preferentially catered to, but as I said, they do exist.
If you have a computer, high speed internet, and electricity, you don't know what "every dollar counts" means.
You are not entitled to free entertainment, and you are not entitled to any company's product just because you "want" it.
I tried telling the Ferrari dealership how much I loved their cars, and I asked if they could give me one for free since I like them so much, and driving a Ferrari really helps me to escape the reality of my miserable life situation.... but I don't make enough money to pay for one, and you know, "every dollar counts" in my budget. Can you guess what their response was?
I'm going to step away fron the ESO+ thing and just focus on the bolded part.
Here's that awkward thing about poverty in developed countries. Its entirely possible for one to have a computer, tolerable internet, and 10 bucks to buy ESO, and still be poor. Even very poor. Even "make every dollar count" poor.
In fact, depending on your job, that computer and internet may well be a necessity of keeping that job. Or needed for your kids to do schoolwork without having to rely on public library computers that they may or may not have reliable or safe access to. Or it might well be a luxury you scrap together every extra dollar for because it's something that provides a lot more hours of entertainment per dollar than a movie.
Someone in that situation probably isn't buying ESO+, but its not like those people don't exist and can't play ESO.
The following isn't directly solely at you, but rather musing on a general trend I've noticed on these types of threads.
I'm generally of the "subscribe or do without" mindset myself, but what is it about these threads that suddenly lots of people feel compelled to spout talking points like "get a job" or even "get a second job" like a host of armchair experts in household finances? What is it about these threads that suddenly everyone feels the need to second-guess someone else's financial situation? Or nitpick other people's lived experiences with poverty?
Why do we do that?
I was going to say something, but, I mean, you pretty much covered it.
I'm with you on the "subscribe or do without," but it is worth reminding people, there is a lot of content here even without a subscription. We all lived without the craft bag for years, before it was added in.1 -
Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »YaYaPineapple wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Incorrect. I have been in that situation in the past, and finding any way to escape reality, even if it was for a few hours, was vital to maintaining emotional and psychological health.
So, such people do exist.
It doesn't mean they need to be preferentially catered to, but as I said, they do exist.
If you have a computer, high speed internet, and electricity, you don't know what "every dollar counts" means.
You are not entitled to free entertainment, and you are not entitled to any company's product just because you "want" it.
I tried telling the Ferrari dealership how much I loved their cars, and I asked if they could give me one for free since I like them so much, and driving a Ferrari really helps me to escape the reality of my miserable life situation.... but I don't make enough money to pay for one, and you know, "every dollar counts" in my budget. Can you guess what their response was?
I'm going to step away fron the ESO+ thing and just focus on the bolded part.
Here's that awkward thing about poverty in developed countries. Its entirely possible for one to have a computer, tolerable internet, and 10 bucks to buy ESO, and still be poor. Even very poor. Even "make every dollar count" poor.
In fact, depending on your job, that computer and internet may well be a necessity of keeping that job. Or needed for your kids to do schoolwork without having to rely on public library computers that they may or may not have reliable or safe access to. Or it might well be a luxury you scrap together every extra dollar for because it's something that provides a lot more hours of entertainment per dollar than a movie.
Someone in that situation probably isn't buying ESO+, but its not like those people don't exist and can't play ESO.
The following isn't directly solely at you, but rather musing on a general trend I've notoced on these types of threads.
I'm generally of the "subscribe or do without" mindset myself, but what is it about these threads that suddenly lots of people feel compelled to spout talking points like "get a job" or even "get a second job" like a host of armchair experts in household finances? What is it about these threads that suddenly everyone feels the need to second-guess someone else's financial situation? Or nitpick other people's lived experiences with poverty?
Why do we do that?
When you stepped away from the rest of his commentary, your comment became out of context.
Outside of that you are creating fictitious scenarios to prove your pov.
But @YaYAPineapple is correct. If you have a PC, high speed net and electricity, you do not fall into the category of the worlds most poor as set by the World Bank which is truly where "every dollar counts" comes into play.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Incorrect. I have been in that situation in the past, and finding any way to escape reality, even if it was for a few hours, was vital to maintaining emotional and psychological health.
So, such people do exist.
It doesn't mean they need to be preferentially catered to, but as I said, they do exist.
If you have a computer, high speed internet, and electricity, you don't know what "every dollar counts" means.
You are not entitled to free entertainment, and you are not entitled to any company's product just because you "want" it.
I tried telling the Ferrari dealership how much I loved their cars, and I asked if they could give me one for free since I like them so much, and driving a Ferrari really helps me to escape the reality of my miserable life situation.... but I don't make enough money to pay for one, and you know, "every dollar counts" in my budget. Can you guess what their response was?
Let me guess, they turned to you and said, "The pen is mightier," in a thick Sean Connery impression?
But, nice to turn this into a referendum on media piracy. No, you're not, "entitled," to someone's products without paying. No one was suggesting that.
So, some fun trivia:
Computers are durable goods. You buy a computer and you have it until it breaks. Also, they depreciate shockingly fast. A PC you spent $3k on last year might only be worth a third of that this year. This creates a realistic situation where you could have a system that is more than powerful enough to run a wide range of games, but is also functionally worthless for resale.
Actually, come to think of it, this PC was built 10 years ago. It's basically impossible to sell at this point, as most of the hardware is hilariously out of date. I can't even replace the processor without ripping out the motherboard, because the CPU interface was phased out in 2011. ESO runs fine.
So, turns out, because of the console generational cycles, game requirements have been mostly in stasis since 2012 or so. There's been some creep, but if you got a decent (not even a high-end) PC anytime in the last 7 years, you're probably able to game on it. Especially with titles like ESO, which are pretty low impact (before getting into addons).
Electricity is a necessity, not a convenience. If you don't have access to electricity, your ability to store and prepare food is shot to hell. I trust you understand that people need to eat, but if this is a new concept, people need to eat. While you can simply say, "just buy a hamburger from McDonald's," I hate to break it to you, but you might not really understand what, "every dollar counts," means.
Internet, as it turns out, is also not really a luxury, not anymore. I mean, @VaranisArano kinda covered this, but in a lot of cases, you really do need that to be able to do your job. In my case, back then, I needed internet access at home to file my timecards. Trust me, that's something you don't want to do in a public space, and in my case I couldn't have, even if I wanted to, because of the security measures attached to their system, meaning I couldn't just run the software from a thumb drive. Man, **** that company.
This was also back when I was working two jobs, getting about 5 hours of sleep a night, working 16 hours, and was 3k miles from everyone I knew. My early 20s were not fun.2 -
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How is this even close to greedy?That would only be 12 days out of the year total.2 -
YaYaPineapple✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »YaYaPineapple wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Incorrect. I have been in that situation in the past, and finding any way to escape reality, even if it was for a few hours, was vital to maintaining emotional and psychological health.
So, such people do exist.
It doesn't mean they need to be preferentially catered to, but as I said, they do exist.
If you have a computer, high speed internet, and electricity, you don't know what "every dollar counts" means.
You are not entitled to free entertainment, and you are not entitled to any company's product just because you "want" it.
I tried telling the Ferrari dealership how much I loved their cars, and I asked if they could give me one for free since I like them so much, and driving a Ferrari really helps me to escape the reality of my miserable life situation.... but I don't make enough money to pay for one, and you know, "every dollar counts" in my budget. Can you guess what their response was?
I'm going to step away fron the ESO+ thing and just focus on the bolded part.
Here's that awkward thing about poverty in developed countries. Its entirely possible for one to have a computer, tolerable internet, and 10 bucks to buy ESO, and still be poor. Even very poor. Even "make every dollar count" poor.
In fact, depending on your job, that computer and internet may well be a necessity of keeping that job. Or needed for your kids to do schoolwork without having to rely on public library computers that they may or may not have reliable or safe access to. Or it might well be a luxury you scrap together every extra dollar for because it's something that provides a lot more hours of entertainment per dollar than a movie.
Someone in that situation probably isn't buying ESO+, but its not like those people don't exist and can't play ESO.
The following isn't directly solely at you, but rather musing on a general trend I've notoced on these types of threads.
I'm generally of the "subscribe or do without" mindset myself, but what is it about these threads that suddenly lots of people feel compelled to spout talking points like "get a job" or even "get a second job" like a host of armchair experts in household finances? What is it about these threads that suddenly everyone feels the need to second-guess someone else's financial situation? Or nitpick other people's lived experiences with poverty?
Why do we do that?
No dude... this entire post reinforces my point that you don't know what "every dollar counts" poor really is.
It doesn't matter tho really. No matter how rich or poor you are, you are never entitled to a company's products and services, or the labor efforts of other people for free.
There are countless charities that provide free/donated entertainment services, but ZOS isn't one of them. Not requiring a sub to play is already extremely generous.
Someone whining that they are poor doesn't make me sympathetic to their desire for other people to provide them with free entertainment services. Read a book from a library, or use your imagination to write your own book if you can't afford to escape reality by playing ESO.Edited by YaYaPineapple on October 17, 2019 5:34AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YaYaPineapple wrote: »No matter how rich or poor you are, you are never entitled to a company's products and services, or the labor efforts of other people for free, period.
Literally no one is talking about this at all. It's like if you were wandering through here screaming, "The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell!" Yeah, great, you're not wrong, but it isn't relevant.2
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