I agree. ESO needs diversity, in terms of builds.

Ozby wrote: »

Stop asking for Nerfs and start asking for others to be buffed

Exactly why I said buff old sets and give class flavor to each so each class would use different sets therefore creating build diversity

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Yes this is a nerf X thread and for good reason, many people don't relealize that this set had a hand in many of the huge nerfs to damage in general, it does 10k dps on its own with just light attacking plus the extra minor slayer and the extra stat on 5 piece if you have perfected version.

Even lokkestiz buffs your damage by 20% so if you do good damage it buffs it but it doesnt do the damage for you.

Now after all the Dot nerf relequen still hasnt been nerfed to balance with dots and it was already crucial before now its even worse. Before relequen stamina damage was good and different builds were viable.

Imagine how many more sets can be used if you removed relequen from that slot and it will also motivate the balance team to buff damage in general since players will lose a lot of damage from this set, after that you can use other stuff.


Other much weaker sets have been nerfed for less and this set almost wasn't touched for a year and a half now

shut up shut up shutttt upppppp!!!

KillsAllElves wrote: »

Another dumb thread crying for nerfs. Brilliant!

Buff other sets and rework existing sets.

That simple.

And make more power creep to eventually nerf all skills to the ground brillliant

The problem with Relequen has been pointed out long before. I don't remember where I read the argument first and was convinced that for this very reason we will keep a strong Relequen set. However, it convinced me and I like to repeat it.

It's because of PvP.

Relequen isn't usable in PvP. So it's a pure PVE set. I allows Stamina DPS in many situations to deal their nice damage, while keeping their strength in PvP.

If you were to nerf Relequen significantly, you would have to make up for it elsewhere. Either by buffing Stamina DPS in general (like buffing skills, passives etc.) or by buffing other item sets.

What do you imagine would happen if Stamina DPS was buffed in general? You can imagine, it would be a problem in PVP, where Stamina would rule Cyrodiil.

What do you imagine would happen if other Stamina DPS sets would be buffed? You can imagine there is a high probability that those sets might be OP in PVP very fast.

So right now Relequen is a tool to achieve good Stamina DPS in PVE while making them not OP in PVP.

Anyway, there will probably always a META set and it doesn't really matter if it is Relequen, Viper's Sting, Twice-Fanged Serpent or Hunding's Rage.

I personally would like to have more diversity. Relequen is just so strong, you can't get past it and I guess next patch it will be even more important to make use of Relequen, because sustain and dots got nerfed. So compared to your damage over time by using skills Relequen will be even stronger.

In Trash Fights etc. in my opinion we have a huge diversity. I've tried over the last few months different combinations of Master 2H, DW, Vicious Ophidian, Twice-Fanged-Strike, Briarheart, Lokkestiiz, Deadly Strike, Tzogvin's, Automaton and they all worked, getting DPS numbers very close so I ended up just using those sets, which suited best to my style. This might be different for more enthusiastic groups were Lokkestiiz probably will outshine every other sets, but in progression groups where players die in trash fights, like in vSS in the big room, you probably won't make much use out of Lokkestiiz because of lack of synergies, time spent rezzing etc.

In Dungeons, doing Pledges, DLC achievements etc. I don't wear Relequen, but a combination out of TFS, VO and Briarheart depending on my mood. Most bosses either die after 1-2 rotations so you can't even reach max Relequen stacks or they are so mechanic-heavy you have to stop attacking the boss and lose your stacks.

So yes, Relequen is strong, but it's not so good you would use it everywhere.

iaminc wrote: »

To be honest the problem with pve isn't just with sets like Rele , it’s with the trail dummy parses and trail groups demanding 75k+ dps

1.the trail dummy parse doesn’t hit back , doesn’t force you to adapt your rotation on the move , can be cheesed for better dps result and doesn’t accurately show how hard you hit in an instance.

2. Trials teams demanding over 70k when anything in this game can be done with 50k.

It’s not a case of nerf end game trail sets , it’s lower the necessity of everyone to get through content in 5mins and burn through mechanics , I agree completely with the poster who said best gear for beating hardest content , that’s how any mmo should be.

OP doesn’t like rele? Don’t use it then but please don’t come on here and beg for nerfs , we’ve had enough nerfing already.

Reworking old sets would be welcomed purely to allow more diversity amongst stam builds.

Nothing will ever match a 10k dps set for just light attacking without breaking the game

I just wanted that every class needed a different set for BiS, i feel sad that every class uses the same set. If you look Alcast site it appears like PVE is just Ctrl+C Ctrl+V