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Does everyone use Discord?
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Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Over the years of playing mmorpg's I have noticed people have increasingly stopped chatting ingame and using programs as Ventrillo and Discord instead. I understand the need to use these programs while raiding..but I can't for the life of me understand why guilds post their events on Discord or just sit there typing. What's wrong with ingame? I myself loathe to use such programs..I like watching tv during my playtime and don't want a bunch of people blabbering away while watching my shows. However as guildchats seem deserted it feels like it's either join Discord or play the game without much social interaction?
I simply dont see why, everything can be done IN GAME. Voice chat, tick. Text information, tick - including standing orders or upcoming dates/events etc in the guild info etc. I reject the idea that to play ESO, I require to also be using and accessing a separate system online, I guess thats the major issue I have.
Because in-game tool are either non-existent, insufficent or generally cumbersome.
Voice chat is not an option on PC at all and it's not like in-game voice chat on consoles is known for it's stability and quality. Text information is pretty much a no go. Chat is pointless since it is impossible to use for anything more important than a casual conversation. It doesn't have timestamps (outside of addons), get's wiped on character swap, does not work during loading screens, gets flooded easily unless you take time to setup your tabs which most people don't do. The guild announcement box in theory can be used to share event information and such but the character limit is stingier than Twitter and you can't even thread posts. No pictures or any kind of automatic (or even just easy to manage) sign-up system as well. Mass mails are a no-go since they are impossible outside of addons and even if you try to use an addon you risk a chance of getting social banned every time you send mails to dozens of people and they also can be generally annoying to your guildies.
So yeah, you can either stuggle with in-game tools or use a much more convenient tool that makes genreal guild management a lot easier. For the price of switching tabs every now and then. For many people it's a no brainer.
For me I don't see the point in having to be social and voice chat all the time when relaxing ingame after dealing with people irl all day. I do see the use in trials though1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just don't chat. Never owned a Mic outside that silly little freebie that comes with the PS4. (and I've never used it outside of a couple mediocre attempts to play Conan Exiles with an IRL friend.)I am discordant enough all on my own. No need to use discord too.
Yeah, I've always found that hilarious - "Join our Guild! We have Discord!" So your guild is actively arguing and can't agree on stuff? Great, I'll want to get right on that.
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Over the years of playing mmorpg's I have noticed people have increasingly stopped chatting ingame and using programs as Ventrillo and Discord instead. I understand the need to use these programs while raiding..but I can't for the life of me understand why guilds post their events on Discord or just sit there typing. What's wrong with ingame? I myself loathe to use such programs..I like watching tv during my playtime and don't want a bunch of people blabbering away while watching my shows. However as guildchats seem deserted it feels like it's either join Discord or play the game without much social interaction?
I simply dont see why, everything can be done IN GAME. Voice chat, tick. Text information, tick - including standing orders or upcoming dates/events etc in the guild info etc. I reject the idea that to play ESO, I require to also be using and accessing a separate system online, I guess thats the major issue I have.
Because in-game tool are either non-existent, insufficent or generally cumbersome.
Voice chat is not an option on PC at all and it's not like in-game voice chat on consoles is known for it's stability and quality. Text information is pretty much a no go. Chat is pointless since it is impossible to use for anything more important than a casual conversation. It doesn't have timestamps (outside of addons), get's wiped on character swap, does not work during loading screens, gets flooded easily unless you take time to setup your tabs which most people don't do. The guild announcement box in theory can be used to share event information and such but the character limit is stingier than Twitter and you can't even thread posts. No pictures or any kind of automatic (or even just easy to manage) sign-up system as well. Mass mails are a no-go since they are impossible outside of addons and even if you try to use an addon you risk a chance of getting social banned every time you send mails to dozens of people and they also can be generally annoying to your guildies.
So yeah, you can either stuggle with in-game tools or use a much more convenient tool that makes genreal guild management a lot easier. For the price of switching tabs every now and then. For many people it's a no brainer.
For me I don't see the point in having to be social and voice chat all the time when relaxing ingame after dealing with people irl all day. I do see the use in trials though
You... don't have to? Maybe you are not aware how Discord works but you are not forced to join a voice channel once you start it.
Usually "join our discord" means "join our server so you can see text channels and announcements we put there". You can be in discord server and never even touch voice channels.
AlsoHowever as guildchats seem deserted it feels like it's either join Discord or play the game without much social interaction?
I thought lack of social interaction was a problem for you?
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Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Over the years of playing mmorpg's I have noticed people have increasingly stopped chatting ingame and using programs as Ventrillo and Discord instead. I understand the need to use these programs while raiding..but I can't for the life of me understand why guilds post their events on Discord or just sit there typing. What's wrong with ingame? I myself loathe to use such programs..I like watching tv during my playtime and don't want a bunch of people blabbering away while watching my shows. However as guildchats seem deserted it feels like it's either join Discord or play the game without much social interaction?
I simply dont see why, everything can be done IN GAME. Voice chat, tick. Text information, tick - including standing orders or upcoming dates/events etc in the guild info etc. I reject the idea that to play ESO, I require to also be using and accessing a separate system online, I guess thats the major issue I have.
Because in-game tool are either non-existent, insufficent or generally cumbersome.
Voice chat is not an option on PC at all and it's not like in-game voice chat on consoles is known for it's stability and quality. Text information is pretty much a no go. Chat is pointless since it is impossible to use for anything more important than a casual conversation. It doesn't have timestamps (outside of addons), get's wiped on character swap, does not work during loading screens, gets flooded easily unless you take time to setup your tabs which most people don't do. The guild announcement box in theory can be used to share event information and such but the character limit is stingier than Twitter and you can't even thread posts. No pictures or any kind of automatic (or even just easy to manage) sign-up system as well. Mass mails are a no-go since they are impossible outside of addons and even if you try to use an addon you risk a chance of getting social banned every time you send mails to dozens of people and they also can be generally annoying to your guildies.
So yeah, you can either stuggle with in-game tools or use a much more convenient tool that makes genreal guild management a lot easier. For the price of switching tabs every now and then. For many people it's a no brainer.
For me I don't see the point in having to be social and voice chat all the time when relaxing ingame after dealing with people irl all day. I do see the use in trials though
You... don't have to? Maybe you are not aware how Discord works but you are not forced to join a voice channel once you start it.
Usually "join our discord" means "join our server so you can see text channels and announcements we put there". You can be in discord server and never even touch voice channels.
AlsoHowever as guildchats seem deserted it feels like it's either join Discord or play the game without much social interaction?
I thought lack of social interaction was a problem for you?
I don't mind using the ingame chat. I just don't feel like voicechatting with people after being around people all day
. In some guilds like the one I mentioned before you do have to be on the voice channel if you want to run a dungeon with them 1 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Over the years of playing mmorpg's I have noticed people have increasingly stopped chatting ingame and using programs as Ventrillo and Discord instead. I understand the need to use these programs while raiding..but I can't for the life of me understand why guilds post their events on Discord or just sit there typing. What's wrong with ingame? I myself loathe to use such programs..I like watching tv during my playtime and don't want a bunch of people blabbering away while watching my shows. However as guildchats seem deserted it feels like it's either join Discord or play the game without much social interaction?
I simply dont see why, everything can be done IN GAME. Voice chat, tick. Text information, tick - including standing orders or upcoming dates/events etc in the guild info etc. I reject the idea that to play ESO, I require to also be using and accessing a separate system online, I guess thats the major issue I have.
Because in-game tool are either non-existent, insufficent or generally cumbersome.
Voice chat is not an option on PC at all and it's not like in-game voice chat on consoles is known for it's stability and quality. Text information is pretty much a no go. Chat is pointless since it is impossible to use for anything more important than a casual conversation. It doesn't have timestamps (outside of addons), get's wiped on character swap, does not work during loading screens, gets flooded easily unless you take time to setup your tabs which most people don't do. The guild announcement box in theory can be used to share event information and such but the character limit is stingier than Twitter and you can't even thread posts. No pictures or any kind of automatic (or even just easy to manage) sign-up system as well. Mass mails are a no-go since they are impossible outside of addons and even if you try to use an addon you risk a chance of getting social banned every time you send mails to dozens of people and they also can be generally annoying to your guildies.
So yeah, you can either stuggle with in-game tools or use a much more convenient tool that makes genreal guild management a lot easier. For the price of switching tabs every now and then. For many people it's a no brainer.
For me I don't see the point in having to be social and voice chat all the time when relaxing ingame after dealing with people irl all day. I do see the use in trials though
You... don't have to? Maybe you are not aware how Discord works but you are not forced to join a voice channel once you start it.
Usually "join our discord" means "join our server so you can see text channels and announcements we put there". You can be in discord server and never even touch voice channels.
AlsoHowever as guildchats seem deserted it feels like it's either join Discord or play the game without much social interaction?
I thought lack of social interaction was a problem for you?
I don't mind using the ingame chat. I just don't feel like voicechatting with people after being around people all day. In some guilds like the one I mentioned before you do have to be on the voice channel if you want to run a dungeon with them
I don't think it's really a Discord problem. More like a guild problem.1 -
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For me I don't see the point in having to be social and voice chat all the time when relaxing ingame after dealing with people irl all day. I do see the use in trials though
Most of the guilds I'm in that use discord have a lot of people who don't join voice outside of events like trials or Pvp. I prefer that myself. Some of them have a few people that regularly hang out in voice outside of events; occasionally I'll want to discuss something with someone over voice and will jump in. I used to be in one guild where leadership seemed to expect people to be in discord voice a lot, but then enforced push to talk and the channels were often quiet for extended periods.
It was not a good fit for me.0 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You can either do two things:
1. Require all players to sign up on a third party website. Log into website and manage raid there. More people than you think that joins will have to be told URL -> How to create an account -> How to find your guild -> how to sign up <And any additional information as well>. Then at the very last tell them after every raid to make sure to open web browser -> Log in -> Go to your guild -> Go to day -> Sign up again each and every week.
2. Discord its literally all in one channel you hit X-DPS. Since your using discord already as voice coms for your guild it is laid out in front of every player that joins.
This isn't even including DPS parse screen shots or super star included into the website features or posting on discord <One of which is much easier>.
I have made guild websites, done the 1st step over and over, and honestly. Its a PITA to organize compared to everything being in the exact same application you use to voice chat on.Edited by karekiz on October 15, 2019 4:21PM2 -
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✭✭It's definitely grown in popularity with console players lately, all types of guilds have their own channels.
Heck I'm even thinking of introducing my non gaming friends to it so we can divide up different conversations into separate channels rather than holidays planning, fantasy football, and general banter all being in the one group chat0 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can either do two things:
1. Require all players to sign up on a third party website. Log into website and manage raid there. More people than you think that joins will have to be told URL -> How to create an account -> How to find your guild -> how to sign up <And any additional information as well>. Then at the very last tell them after every raid to make sure to open web browser -> Log in -> Go to your guild -> Go to day -> Sign up again each and every week.
2. Discord its literally all in one channel you hit X-DPS. Since your using discord already as voice coms for your guild it is laid out in front of every player that joins.
This isn't even including DPS parse screen shots or super star included into the website features or posting on discord <One of which is much easier>.
I have made guild websites, done the 1st step over and over, and honestly. Its a PITA to organize compared to everything being in the exact same application you use to voice chat on.
Maybe I missed something, but I didn't think the OP had stated this. Curious how you came up with that bold statement?
Edit: To clarify, the literally bold statement...not that you were being courageous for making such a statement.Edited by Donny_Vito on October 15, 2019 4:45PM0 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can either do two things:
1. Require all players to sign up on a third party website. Log into website and manage raid there. More people than you think that joins will have to be told URL -> How to create an account -> How to find your guild -> how to sign up <And any additional information as well>. Then at the very last tell them after every raid to make sure to open web browser -> Log in -> Go to your guild -> Go to day -> Sign up again each and every week.
2. Discord its literally all in one channel you hit X-DPS. Since your using discord already as voice coms for your guild it is laid out in front of every player that joins.
This isn't even including DPS parse screen shots or super star included into the website features or posting on discord <One of which is much easier>.
I have made guild websites, done the 1st step over and over, and honestly. Its a PITA to organize compared to everything being in the exact same application you use to voice chat on.
This
Discord is so much easier than a website to organize group things and general game info. It's a lot faster to set up a schedule in discord than doing it in some Web page software then loading it up to the server and waiting for the refresh to update. Set up via Web page literally takes at least twice as long. For weekly runs of the same trial, you just copy paste from the previous week instead of having to edit then reload to a Web site. The roster can be updated on the fly as people sign up.
I run discord on my second screen.
You don't need to be in the
guild for some discord groups. So this allows you to be involved with more groups than the 5 the game gives you.
One of my groups (no guild) does flash trial runs. They post a flash run and people join.
Another guild schedules 12 to 15 trials a week, each in their own channel. People sign up in the channel.
You get to see things as they are posted
So much easier than having to log into a Web site every day, and check a calendar, get timed out and have to relog back in or have to refresh the page every 30 minutes to get up to the minute updates.
Edited by Katahdin on October 15, 2019 5:09PMBeta tester November 20131 -
mateosalvaje✭✭✭✭I only have a flip phone and a Kindle so no, but I'd like to. It seems pretty much all guild coordination goes on in there, maybe some day PS4 will support it? 😒I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again.0 -
Xerikten✭✭✭✭yes, so much easier than a guild website. talking in chat is easier than typing. by the time you type, heal me, you need a rez instead.
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✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »
Maybe I missed something, but I didn't think the OP had stated this. Curious how you came up with that bold statement?
Edit: To clarify, the literally bold statement...not that you were being courageous for making such a statement.
OP's quote:
"I understand the need to use these programs while raiding..but I can't for the life of me understand why guilds post their events on Discord or just sit there typing."
I was responding directly to to this. Not that the OP used it or not, but why its so highly required by guild organizers. The typing part is btw is probably to relay a message to people *not* online. If I want to say have an event in two hours and get the message out its more widespread. A lot of people have discord on their phones etc, its basically the version 2.0 of EverQuest batphone "Can I have your cell phone number to call you when a mob is up" without actually having to, you know, give out a phone number.
This also does indeed extend past just raid events. Its just a superior way to manage an event with less stress on leader.Edited by karekiz on October 15, 2019 6:28PM0 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Donny_Vito wrote: »
Maybe I missed something, but I didn't think the OP had stated this. Curious how you came up with that bold statement?
Edit: To clarify, the literally bold statement...not that you were being courageous for making such a statement.
OP's quote:
"I understand the need to use these programs while raiding..but I can't for the life of me understand why guilds post their events on Discord or just sit there typing."
I was responding directly to to this. Not that the OP used it or not, but why its so highly required by guild organizers. The typing part is btw is probably to relay a message to people *not* online. If I want to say have an event in two hours and get the message out its more widespread. A lot of people have discord on their phones etc, its basically the version 2.0 of EverQuest batphone "Can I have your cell phone number to call you when a mob is up" without actually having to, you know, give out a phone number.
This also does indeed extend past just raid events. Its just a superior way to manage an event with less stress on leader.
Something I should have asked before, but it seems we are all making the assumption (unless you actually know who the OP is) that he/she plays on PC and therefore uses Discord (or another app) for voice communication. Only the PC version does not have any type of built-in voice communication, so the premise that they already use an app for voice communication could be null. And to continue on that point, the need for an app that incorporates voice communication is less of a need if you're not on PC. From my experience, most of my console guilds use the Band app for guild-related information while the Discord app is more of a "chatroom" to BS about non-ESO related topics.Edited by Donny_Vito on October 15, 2019 6:52PM0 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭While I have my concerns over some of the backers of Discord (especially Tencent) and the data collected (I know if I don't pay for something, I'm probably the product), it works well, has a lot of features, and is broadly used across games and platforms.
That makes it 1000% better than all the random stuff I used to need from multiple voice clients to various IMs, sharing phone number for texts, various guild specific websites (usually crappy third party 'free' ones), and using game specific communication systems (plus many others I'm sure I missed).Edited by Dawnblade on October 15, 2019 7:00PM0 -
majulook✭✭✭✭✭
✭My biggest issue with Discord and other "free" services is that "Free" services are never really free, they make money from the data they collect on users. If you are all right with not knowing what they collect and how it is being used then go ahead and use it.
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✭✭✭✭✭I despise Discord for two reasons:
1) Compared to TeamSpeak, Discord is terrible for voice chat. Discord is far more difficult to set up, and more difficult to use, too. The UI is unforgivably bad, at least from the point of view of someone who only uses it for voice chat. Unlike TS, I could never get it to work with a Bluetooth headset. I start groaning the moment some dungeon PUG insists that I use it.
2) Discord isn't just used for guild functions and voice chatting pugs, it's also used as sort of an extension of these ESO forums. This is hugely problematic, in my opinion, because public conversations on Discord are not moderated by ZOS staff like these forums are. This has allowed fertile ground for toxicity to fester and grow. Discord is responsible for more negativity in PvP community than the tbag emote, and that's really saying something.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »I despise Discord for two reasons:
1) Compared to TeamSpeak, Discord is terrible for voice chat. Discord is far more difficult to set up, and more difficult to use, too. The UI is unforgivably bad, at least from the point of view of someone who only uses it for voice chat. Unlike TS, I could never get it to work with a Bluetooth headset. I start groaning the moment some dungeon PUG insists that I use it.
2) Discord isn't just used for guild functions and voice chatting pugs, it's also used as sort of an extension of these ESO forums. This is hugely problematic, in my opinion, because public conversations on Discord are not moderated by ZOS staff like these forums are. This has allowed fertile ground for toxicity to fester and grow. Discord is responsible for more negativity in PvP community than the tbag emote, and that's really saying something.
1) I think this is a matter of habit. I can never shake the feeling that TeamSpeak's UI comes straight from early 2000s and is just plain inconvenient to use. Some may argue sound quality but as an average user without super fancy audio equipment and gold plated cabels I really can't hear the difference between TeamSpeak and Discord.
2) Why should this be blamed on Discord? As far as I'm aware it is not prohibited to discuss ESO-related topics on any social platform even if it's not moderated by ZOS. The same can be done in a Facebook group or any other place on the internet. Also referring to Discord in general even though there are probably hundreds of ESO-related discord servers each with different owners, rules and moderation is a bit shortsighted.4 -
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✭✭✭✭I love Teamspeak, have even been an evangelist towards it when Discord first came out. But even I must say that Teamspeak has simply just failed to innovate. They ignored the market shift for a good three to four years. They did absolutely nothing. The teamspeak 3 client is virtually still the same as it was 5 years ago.
They also completely missed the mark when it comes to servers. Your average Joe either has to pay to get a server from a provider, or host it themselves (and setting one up requires at least a general level of understanding of the commandline and probably linux). It's just not user friendly for people outside the tech scene to get up and running, unless you are willing to put down money.
Lastly, their policies regarding licensing are terrible. You have to have your own website and hand in proof (whatever that is supposed to mean) to get a non-profit license which will then up the 32 client limit to 512. Mind you, I have two such licenses, but I absolutely see no reason why the average person would go through all that crap when Discord does it at the click of a button.
Then, once you are done paying for your server, or waiting for your license. Guess what? The phone app costs money too!
Once again, I love Teamspeak. I still use it every single day. But as a company they have failed spectacularly at understanding their gaming audience and are now in a desperate last stand to save whatever is left. They lost. And they lost not because of inferior tech or anything out of their control. They lost because of negligence.Edited by Woeler on October 15, 2019 8:02PM4 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I find it a bit irritating because I can't see Discord while I am playing the game (being a single screen kind of player). And it's not where I would expect someone to message me if we were both in game...
However, if ZOS are going to continue to fail to provide these channels for guilds and effectively contract out guild management and organisation to 3rd party apps, then Discord is the obvious choice for a guild.
It provides a single space for both voice and written communication that is completely configurable by the individual guild. Why also have a web page, a Facebook group, a HooHa channel etc where you would simply duplicate the same information?
And while I might also be frustrated at a guild insisting on using Discord for a random normal dungeon, it's basically up to whoever is running that random normal. I find it equally frustrating that there always seems to be one person on trial training runs who doesn't use discord and requires the leader to type out all the instructions.... so it's swings and roundabouts.
I love my guildies and the time and effort they put in to make their guilds great social spaces... until I step up to help, I am just a treasured guest there...
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Once again, I love Teamspeak. I still use it every single day. But as a company they have failed spectacularly at understanding their gaming audience and are now in a desperate last stand to save whatever is left. They lost. And they lost not because of inferior tech or anything out of their control. They lost because of negligence.
TeamSpeak weren't "negligent" towards the gamers' market, they simply gave up on gamers and went business. They're not competing with Discord and Mumble anymore, they're competing with Slack, Skype for business, MS Teams and the like. There's simply no point in competing with something like Discord when people only care for price and don't give a [snip] about security. But anyone who cares the slightest about confidentiality, data security and privacy will discard Discord at first sight. Gamers just don't care.
That being said, I'm still sorry about Discord being the standard now for ESO, because when I'm in a group voice chat in TeamSpeak, it feels like I'm sitting around a table with friends, and the same in Discord feels like I'm in the middle of a railway station.
[Edited for Profanity]
Edited by ZOS_Bill on October 16, 2019 5:26PM1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I can never shake the feeling that TeamSpeak's UI comes straight from early 2000s
And I feel that Discord's UI has been designed by 4 year-olds for 5-year-olds , both fed with ugly cartoons since before birth...
while I enjoy TS for it's cleanliness, sobriety and intuitivity.
I suppose it's a matter of personal taste and background.
But we're digressing here, I believe the topic is not Discord vs. other apps, but Discord vs. ingame.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on October 15, 2019 10:24PM1 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My biggest issue with Discord and other "free" services is that "Free" services are never really free, they make money from the data they collect on users. If you are all right with not knowing what they collect and how it is being used then go ahead and use it.
I agree with the data collection thing.
Do you use Google or any other search engine? They do the same thing. If your that afraid of data gathering, get rid of your computer and your smart phone. Every time you go online someone is collecting something on you.
Now if the fact that I play ESO 2-3 hours most days and that I shopped for socks last week on Amazon is that valuable, hope they get good money for that data.Beta tester November 20132 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I refuse to use a communications platform named something as idiotic as “discord.” I mean, really? Just... no. It’s like naming a hospital “sickness” or a retail store “ripoff.”
Also, it isn’t really used on console anyway...
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✭✭We use Discord for game updates, guild updates and more permanent text communication.
In addition to its primary function of being 'Free' VoIP.
And the only time we would demand people join on Voice is if they were participating in a vDLC or Trial.
And nobody would ever be kicked for not wanting to install and use any third-party application.Edited by essi2 on October 15, 2019 11:19PM"The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Grianasteri wrote: »Over the years of playing mmorpg's I have noticed people have increasingly stopped chatting ingame and using programs as Ventrillo and Discord instead. I understand the need to use these programs while raiding..but I can't for the life of me understand why guilds post their events on Discord or just sit there typing. What's wrong with ingame? I myself loathe to use such programs..I like watching tv during my playtime and don't want a bunch of people blabbering away while watching my shows. However as guildchats seem deserted it feels like it's either join Discord or play the game without much social interaction?
I simply dont see why, everything can be done IN GAME. Voice chat, tick. Text information, tick - including standing orders or upcoming dates/events etc in the guild info etc. I reject the idea that to play ESO, I require to also be using and accessing a separate system online, I guess thats the major issue I have.
Because in-game tool are either non-existent, insufficent or generally cumbersome.
Voice chat is not an option on PC at all and it's not like in-game voice chat on consoles is known for it's stability and quality. Text information is pretty much a no go. Chat is pointless since it is impossible to use for anything more important than a casual conversation. It doesn't have timestamps (outside of addons), get's wiped on character swap, does not work during loading screens, gets flooded easily unless you take time to setup your tabs which most people don't do. The guild announcement box in theory can be used to share event information and such but the character limit is stingier than Twitter and you can't even thread posts. No pictures or any kind of automatic (or even just easy to manage) sign-up system as well. Mass mails are a no-go since they are impossible outside of addons and even if you try to use an addon you risk a chance of getting social banned every time you send mails to dozens of people and they also can be generally annoying to your guildies.
So yeah, you can either stuggle with in-game tools or use a much more convenient tool that makes genreal guild management a lot easier. For the price of switching tabs every now and then. For many people it's a no brainer.
On console the voice coms are excellent, including the in game voice coms. There is literally no need for further voice coms beyond this. Its all there in game, separate channels and rooms, including ones which are reserved for "officers" only etc. I was unaware that PC users do not get something as simple as the in game chat, how bizzare.
Text chat communications are also simple and easy to use, particularly with a keyboard plugged in, which for a game like ESO I highly recommend. For instant coms nothing else is required.
The flow of information seems to be the main benefit of an external service like Discord, the ability to have permanent text, links, records etc, I can see how this can benefit guild administration and organisation.
But its hardly ground breaking. For instance its not difficult to post details of a trial in the guild info areas and ask people to mail or whisper the organisers etc. Guilds I am in use the text available to give a fair amount of info, weekly schedules, prize draws, events, announcements etc.1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »I was unaware that PC users do not get something as simple as the in game chat, how bizzare.
The devs said back then that they saw no need to implement voice chat into the game on PC because we already had third party tools available, and, truth be told, we all globally agreed with it. On the other hand, console players were often complaining how horrible area voice chat was on console, so we were even happy to not have it and to configure our own tools to our liking, based on groups and guilds and friends, and not vicinity of other players ingame.
I'm glad to hear that things have improved and that console players have proper voice chat now.
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jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I signed up for a local writing-related Discord chat thingie once and regretted it forever. I got so many boring digests and post updates sent to my email that I quit two days later. The emails followed for a week until I figured out how to turn them off through the unintuitive interface. Twitter felt the same way to me so I don't use it either.
Thus, my glorious and short-lived Discord career. Feel free to applaud my exciting story if you wish But I'm never touching it again. Just ugh. Edited by jainiadral on October 16, 2019 8:54AM1
