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Bombard is over performing needs to be adjusted
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relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Stop asking for nerfs
Every CC is annoying I too am in the highest MMR and have not found this any more annoying than any other CC.
I am guilty of CCing opponents, everyone is it is a pretty standard thing in MMO's.
Try playing World of Warcraft where you can be feared for a solid 10s sometimes
There is so many nerf feeds!!! if the developer keeps implementing all of these bloody nerf's we'll start seeing skills like:
'Harsh language', 'Strongly Worded letter', 'Passive aggressive smile'
I read a feed the other day asking for cloak to be nerfed...
Like what the actual ***!!! its like a basic skill for any assassin in any RPG.
There is so much freedom in this game to build how you want and as a result you could build yourself 40K stamina on a magicka class and never be rooted again!!!
Would it be a good idea? no.
Is that preferable to another skill being nerfed? yes.
Stop inviting nerfagedon!!! The community can't take it anymore.
If you don't like being CC'd here are some game recommendations:
Peppa Pig: The Game
Paw Patrol: The Game
Scooby Doo: The Spooky Swamp
Be careful with the last one, I hear it has horror elements to it.
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ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Take away the premade that’s using bombard as part of their play strategy, and all of a sudden bombard becomes more manageable to defend against.
Or nerf it into the ground. idc.0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I see zergs with a couple people spamming it. Truth is, all the magicka root snare immunities are too short. Need to be upped to 4 seconds1 -
DivineFirstYOLO✭✭✭✭
@TheYKcidDwemer Gilvothologist in 3... 2... 1...
it Doesn't need nerfed at all.
stop trying to destroy Snipe Bombard
stop trying to destroy our ranged playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.
if anything it needs a faster cast time and a lot more damage added to it.
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Alidel✭✭✭✭So, PI was already nerfed, scatter shot is enraged discussion, now people call to nerf snipe and bombard. So, lets nerf volley as well while we at it! I mean really, how bow is even overperforming in pve or pvp? What's wrong with you, people? Did your favourite pet got sniped by a madman with a bow and now you feel urge to revenge on any bow users?2 -
Cerotonin✭✭✭I use this skill. It’s pretty useful to use against Nightblades and to keep people away for a bit. I notice a lot of people try to “break free” when immobilized, it’s interesting. For others it doesn’t seem to be much of an issue.0 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭There was a guy using it in a BG match recently. It was annoying as hell as pretty much every other soft CC / root in the game.
The difference here is that this skill is hard to see, thus making it hard to know wtf is going on.
And overall I also consider roots are too strong ATM.PC/DC/NAserver
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Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
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No one cares about the PvE tanking aspect of it, learn to tank.Olupajmibanan wrote: »There are tanks that have no class AoE root you know? I don't understand how is Bombard better than Talons, Gripping Shards or Encase
In fact, it is not. Thanks to stamina cost while class AoE roots cost magicka.
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Welcome to the TROLL CLAN! I am always glad to see new recruits.Edited by Olupajmibanan on October 7, 2019 11:57AM1 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭Tbh, immobilized immunity should just be longer in general. Make it 5s or something while tuning up immunity on skills by a bit as well. While bombard spammers really don’t deal that much damage, they’re seriously annoying in group battles.Edited by chrightt on October 7, 2019 12:34PM2 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
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I know EU builds tanky but damn that’s bizarre that nobody backbars a bow or runs roots in BGs in EU.
So crazy, in fact, that I don’t believe it at all. but I’ll ask some peoples. Who knows.
Imagine being at PC EU, imagine 4 man teams of being:
2 tanky Magplars "healtanks" with some proc damages.
2 tanky Stamplar Onslaught bursters
So.. 4x Rituals on the ground all the time, PL/PoTL > Toppling charges > Onslaughts, Sweeps/Jabs spam (spiced up with proc damages) into Executioner and PL/PoTLS bing bang boom.
Now you might think.. sweet, our Negate monkey will put an end to that! But, you surely can guess what some of them are wearing as a safety net on those situations.
Who needs Negates or Permafrosts these days? Or other classes unique group buffs.. The cross-healing + Ritual snare + Bubble Roots + gap closers.. who needs a Bow root anymore? And try using it against such a group who knows their business.
My mother always tells me to smile and put on a happy face. Mom, i would.. but i play ESO pvp at PC EU. :'(
Disclaimer: Yes, there are still traditional combos too out there, but yeah..
Edited by Moonsorrow on October 7, 2019 4:58PM3 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭this skill is like shotgun in FPS.
wide spray. devastating result.
but u really need some skill mixed with a bit of luck to make the best of it, and by no mean is OP....August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
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Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »How about we give bombard a stack mechanic to create more counter play! You gotta hit someone three times in six seconds and they get immobilized. Maybe make the cost oh idk 3050? Ship it.
I almost gave you an awesome, but then i got scared ZOS might take you literally.1 -
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✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »How about we give bombard a stack mechanic to create more counter play! You gotta hit someone three times in six seconds and they get immobilized. Maybe make the cost oh idk 3050? Ship it. 0 -
lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭I don't use bombard but roots are a small shadow of what they use to be everyone has a root immune options they also have a root cd. I main a magdk and I only slot talons for the AOE minor maim like most dk utilities are sloted for the secondary effects not the main one any more because people always cry nerf. yes I do understand roots where op at one point but re far from it now.
I think only people who use It is some stupid Zergling bowtards who think it helps it just a slight annoyance to who they are fightingEdited by lucky_Sage on October 7, 2019 4:21PMDC PC NA
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Decimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭<Insert Bow Skill> is overperforming, please nerf!
...there, I made a template for you folks to use.5 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Let's nerf the range to 12m....Edited by technohic on October 7, 2019 5:02PM1 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is a lot of bad faith in this thread. Bombard is not used in pve. In pvp, it is by far the easiest to use, cheapest, and largest aoe root in the game. It can also be applied from long range. It is incredibly overtuned in small scale pvp. No other skill in the game applies anywhere near as much pressure on a players stamina pool with such ease.this skill is like shotgun in FPS.
wide spray. devastating result.
but u really need some skill mixed with a bit of luck to make the best of it, and by no mean is OP....
Like this. This is a nonsense response. Since when is spamming an AOE ability "skilled" ? Im sure there are players who use it that are skilled, but the ability itself does not require it.Edited by iCaliban on October 7, 2019 5:43PM2 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm going to have to agree with this. I don't think it's a Bombard issue specifically, but I'm pretty tired of all of the roots and snares and stuns in this game. The GCD on them needs to be standardized and adjusted. It's just another no-skill "I win" button.PC/Xbox NA
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iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭For those defending bombard, realize that ice wall got nerfed for being overly effective. Bombard is significantly more oppressive than ice wall ever was.3 -
mursie✭✭✭✭✭I play at the highest MMR on PC-NA
no - you don't.
please, for just once, stop talking.
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Decimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭For those defending bombard, realize that ice wall got nerfed for being overly effective. Bombard is significantly more oppressive than ice wall ever was.
Blockade not only is an instant root with charged ice staff+frost glyph, but it also leaves a field that keeps rooting people who step on it. Field which can proc the enchant from off bar by the way. All for the cost of 3k~ magicka before modifiers (on live).
Bombard meanwhile is an extremely expensive spammable for bow builds at 3,5k stamina cost (before modifiers), which has to be cast multiple times in a row if you want multiple roots.
This runs the user out of stamina very quickly (even in sets like Marksman & Hawk's Eye).
This is before taking into account other variables, such as the fact that builds using ice wall never rely on kiting like bow builds do.
After all, you can't hit people too close to you with the skill because the AoE is a V shaped cone, meaning stepping even bit to the side while in melee with the bow user will make you avoid it entirely.
It is certainly not a weak skill (bow builds wouldn't function without it & current, Live server Draining Shot), but to call it "overly effective" is a bit disingenuous considering all the actually overly effective skills (and more importantly, builds) currently in the game, few of which have anything to do with bow.3 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭For those defending bombard, realize that ice wall got nerfed for being overly effective. Bombard is significantly more oppressive than ice wall ever was.
Blockade not only is an instant root with charged ice staff+frost glyph, but it also leaves a field that keeps rooting people who step on it. Field which can proc the enchant from off bar by the way. All for the cost of 3k~ magicka before modifiers (on live).
Bombard meanwhile is an extremely expensive spammable for bow builds at 3,5k stamina cost (before modifiers), which has to be cast multiple times in a row if you want multiple roots.
This runs the user out of stamina very quickly (even in sets like Marksman & Hawk's Eye).
This is before taking into account other variables, such as the fact that builds using ice wall never rely on kiting like bow builds do.
After all, you can't hit people too close to you with the skill because the AoE is a V shaped cone, meaning stepping even bit to the side while in melee with the bow user will make you avoid it entirely.
It is certainly not a weak skill (bow builds wouldn't function without it & current, Live server Draining Shot), but to call it "overly effective" is a bit disingenuous considering all the actually overly effective skills (and more importantly, builds) currently in the game, few of which have anything to do with bow.
500 more stamina is the difference between cheap and "very expensive" lmao, ok. No.
Charged ice staff actually requires a tradeoff, such as you know, running a very off meta trait on your offensive bar since ice wall does not retain the charged trait when you swap.
This is not how the ability is used in bgs in sweaty fights. It is used as a spammable, which locks down everyone in a massive area. Targetting is a complete non issue, and so is sustain, since players using this frequently do not have any other offense besides onlsaught + dizzy.
You saying ice wall isnt used by kiting build is factually incorrect. I myself used ice wall on a mag sorc for well over a year. It certainly wasnt a brawler.
Ice wall deserved the nerf, bombard is worse.
Edited by iCaliban on October 7, 2019 7:04PM2 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭
it's incorrect to grab all threads which asks to adjust something overpowered or overnefed into one line.
One thread is fair and a must, another is inadequate trash, one thing has priority number 1 to work with, another one is fair but can wait for a long.
There is a very big difference.
And u should recognize it first than starting to call it with a some generic name.
Impairment/depersonification of is one of the most disquisting types of manipulation.
all classes. pc platform, dissapointed.0 -
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But doesn't get triggered by cleansing the roots. You can cleanse Bombard, and even if it doesn't bug out and still prevent you from moving (even without a debuff icon showing up), you can still get re-rooted instantly.MentalxHammer wrote: »
Wall of Frost was almost always much easier to avoid, due to the fact that it was indeed a ground-based DOT/Snare/Root. Making Bombard mirror that would be a nerf and you know it, even if the cost was reduced by 500. The opportunity cost of using a Bow is nowhere near that of a Frost Staff, and Bombard is significantly better than Wall of Frost anyway. There are reasons that Wall of Frost is extinct and Bombard isn't.For those defending bombard, realize that ice wall got nerfed for being overly effective. Bombard is significantly more oppressive than ice wall ever was.
Blockade not only is an instant root with charged ice staff+frost glyph, but it also leaves a field that keeps rooting people who step on it. Field which can proc the enchant from off bar by the way. All for the cost of 3k~ magicka before modifiers (on live).
Bombard meanwhile is an extremely expensive spammable for bow builds at 3,5k stamina cost (before modifiers), which has to be cast multiple times in a row if you want multiple roots.
This runs the user out of stamina very quickly (even in sets like Marksman & Hawk's Eye).
This is before taking into account other variables, such as the fact that builds using ice wall never rely on kiting like bow builds do.
After all, you can't hit people too close to you with the skill because the AoE is a V shaped cone, meaning stepping even bit to the side while in melee with the bow user will make you avoid it entirely.
It is certainly not a weak skill (bow builds wouldn't function without it & current, Live server Draining Shot), but to call it "overly effective" is a bit disingenuous considering all the actually overly effective skills (and more importantly, builds) currently in the game, few of which have anything to do with bow.2 -
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✭✭✭Poison Injection got nerfed and Draining Shot got nerfed. Can we just remove bow from the game please? Because apparantly bow builds aren't allowed to have any impact.
I don't even use Bombard by myself and I only know one person who actually uses it in high MMR bgs on a very niche build. Maybe play with a snare/root removal instead of going into BGs on dueling builds...I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
sabresandiego_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bombard isn’t the problem, immobilize is. I’d venture to say that immobilize immunity should last just as long as cc immunity. Other skills that immobilize are also over performing, like petrify and frost wall.Ali Dreadsabre -Necromancer
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iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Poison Injection got nerfed and Draining Shot got nerfed. Can we just remove bow from the game please? Because apparantly bow builds aren't allowed to have any impact.
I don't even use Bombard by myself and I only know one person who actually uses it in high MMR bgs on a very niche build. Maybe play with a snare/root removal instead of going into BGs on dueling builds...
The problem with snare and root removal is that it does not trigger the root immunity. So you can be immediatly re rooted by bombard spammers.1
