the fact the the skill is a aoe skill that roots and snares you or entire groups for very little cost and little counterplay is broken the skill needs to be adjusted in the future
Pretty sure OP is speaking from a PvP perspective.Olupajmibanan wrote: »There are tanks that have no class AoE root you know? I don't understand how is Bombard better than Talons, Gripping Shards or Encase In fact, it is not. Thanks to stamina cost while class AoE roots cost magicka.
With all due respect, I think you're mostly playing in unorganized, mid-range MMR BGs. In those games on my Necromancer, I've only ever seen 1 "Bombard spammer," and he really isn't all that dangerous otherwise. He also doesn't run premade groups so far as I can tell.I can’t believe I just saw bow and overpowered uttered in the same sentence. I have now seen it all.
Bombard can oftentimes hit roughly as hard as most other spammables that aren't named Dizzying Swing, but the damage itself isn't the issue with the skill. I've long maintained that roots and snares need to be a factor in PvP, and not something that can be completely ignored. That said, it simply shouldn't be possible to completely lockdown opponents to the degree that one can with Bombard. The ability to spam the root + snare over and over (and over some more) needs to be toned down.stephbay123 wrote: »Bombard is not overpowered. I don’t use bow but the damage can often be easily healed through
Pretty sure OP is speaking from a PvP perspective.Olupajmibanan wrote: »There are tanks that have no class AoE root you know? I don't understand how is Bombard better than Talons, Gripping Shards or Encase In fact, it is not. Thanks to stamina cost while class AoE roots cost magicka.With all due respect, I think you're mostly playing in unorganized, mid-range MMR BGs. In those games on my Necromancer, I've only ever seen 1 "Bombard spammer," and he really isn't all that dangerous otherwise. He also doesn't run premade groups so far as I can tell.I can’t believe I just saw bow and overpowered uttered in the same sentence. I have now seen it all.
You should step into some high MMR games with certain players who abuse the bejeezus out of Bombard. Cleanse it off? Instantly re-rooted with 0 immunity. Use Race Against Time? Re-rooted 2 seconds later. It will absolutely decimate your resources to try and maintain any mobility whatsoever on a Magicka build.
There also seem to be some bugs with the skill, since I've cleansed it off before and remained completely unable to move for several seconds, even though I had 0 debuff icons active.Bombard can oftentimes hit roughly as hard as most other spammables that aren't named Dizzying Swing, but the damage itself isn't the issue with the skill. I've long maintained that roots and snares need to be a factor in PvP, and not something that can be completely ignored. That said, it simply shouldn't be possible to completely lockdown opponents to the degree that one can with Bombard. The ability to spam the root + snare over and over (and over some more) needs to be toned down.stephbay123 wrote: »Bombard is not overpowered. I don’t use bow but the damage can often be easily healed through
Pretty sure OP is speaking from a PvP perspective.Olupajmibanan wrote: »There are tanks that have no class AoE root you know? I don't understand how is Bombard better than Talons, Gripping Shards or Encase In fact, it is not. Thanks to stamina cost while class AoE roots cost magicka.With all due respect, I think you're mostly playing in unorganized, mid-range MMR BGs. In those games on my Necromancer, I've only ever seen 1 "Bombard spammer," and he really isn't all that dangerous otherwise. He also doesn't run premade groups so far as I can tell.I can’t believe I just saw bow and overpowered uttered in the same sentence. I have now seen it all.
You should step into some high MMR games with certain players who abuse the bejeezus out of Bombard. Cleanse it off? Instantly re-rooted with 0 immunity. Use Race Against Time? Re-rooted 2 seconds later. It will absolutely decimate your resources to try and maintain any mobility whatsoever on a Magicka build.
There also seem to be some bugs with the skill, since I've cleansed it off before and remained completely unable to move for several seconds, even though I had 0 debuff icons active.Bombard can oftentimes hit roughly as hard as most other spammables that aren't named Dizzying Swing, but the damage itself isn't the issue with the skill. I've long maintained that roots and snares need to be a factor in PvP, and not something that can be completely ignored. That said, it simply shouldn't be possible to completely lockdown opponents to the degree that one can with Bombard. The ability to spam the root + snare over and over (and over some more) needs to be toned down.stephbay123 wrote: »Bombard is not overpowered. I don’t use bow but the damage can often be easily healed through
I play at the highest MMR on PC-NA
Okay that’s it. ZOS if you see this it’s time to start moderating nerf threads. Enough is enough. If people do not provide any real evidence at the very least the thread needs to be immediately locked or deleted.
Pretty sure OP is speaking from a PvP perspective.Olupajmibanan wrote: »There are tanks that have no class AoE root you know? I don't understand how is Bombard better than Talons, Gripping Shards or Encase In fact, it is not. Thanks to stamina cost while class AoE roots cost magicka.With all due respect, I think you're mostly playing in unorganized, mid-range MMR BGs. In those games on my Necromancer, I've only ever seen 1 "Bombard spammer," and he really isn't all that dangerous otherwise. He also doesn't run premade groups so far as I can tell.I can’t believe I just saw bow and overpowered uttered in the same sentence. I have now seen it all.
You should step into some high MMR games with certain players who abuse the bejeezus out of Bombard. Cleanse it off? Instantly re-rooted with 0 immunity. Use Race Against Time? Re-rooted 2 seconds later. It will absolutely decimate your resources to try and maintain any mobility whatsoever on a Magicka build.
There also seem to be some bugs with the skill, since I've cleansed it off before and remained completely unable to move for several seconds, even though I had 0 debuff icons active.Bombard can oftentimes hit roughly as hard as most other spammables that aren't named Dizzying Swing, but the damage itself isn't the issue with the skill. I've long maintained that roots and snares need to be a factor in PvP, and not something that can be completely ignored. That said, it simply shouldn't be possible to completely lockdown opponents to the degree that one can with Bombard. The ability to spam the root + snare over and over (and over some more) needs to be toned down.stephbay123 wrote: »Bombard is not overpowered. I don’t use bow but the damage can often be easily healed through
I play at the highest MMR on PC-NA
No you don’t. If you did, youd see plenty of bombard spammers like me, mystikkal, or Ali Sabre.
It’s a stupid skill that needs to be nerfed. But at the same time, I feel it’s necessary to counter a Warden group permafrost push / 3rd party.
With perma getting toned down I’d be ok with bombard also getting toned down.
Pretty sure OP is speaking from a PvP perspective.Olupajmibanan wrote: »There are tanks that have no class AoE root you know? I don't understand how is Bombard better than Talons, Gripping Shards or Encase In fact, it is not. Thanks to stamina cost while class AoE roots cost magicka.With all due respect, I think you're mostly playing in unorganized, mid-range MMR BGs. In those games on my Necromancer, I've only ever seen 1 "Bombard spammer," and he really isn't all that dangerous otherwise. He also doesn't run premade groups so far as I can tell.I can’t believe I just saw bow and overpowered uttered in the same sentence. I have now seen it all.
You should step into some high MMR games with certain players who abuse the bejeezus out of Bombard. Cleanse it off? Instantly re-rooted with 0 immunity. Use Race Against Time? Re-rooted 2 seconds later. It will absolutely decimate your resources to try and maintain any mobility whatsoever on a Magicka build.
There also seem to be some bugs with the skill, since I've cleansed it off before and remained completely unable to move for several seconds, even though I had 0 debuff icons active.Bombard can oftentimes hit roughly as hard as most other spammables that aren't named Dizzying Swing, but the damage itself isn't the issue with the skill. I've long maintained that roots and snares need to be a factor in PvP, and not something that can be completely ignored. That said, it simply shouldn't be possible to completely lockdown opponents to the degree that one can with Bombard. The ability to spam the root + snare over and over (and over some more) needs to be toned down.stephbay123 wrote: »Bombard is not overpowered. I don’t use bow but the damage can often be easily healed through
I play at the highest MMR on PC-NA
No you don’t. If you did, youd see plenty of bombard spammers like me, mystikkal, or Ali Sabre.
It’s a stupid skill that needs to be nerfed. But at the same time, I feel it’s necessary to counter a Warden group permafrost push / 3rd party.
With perma getting toned down I’d be ok with bombard also getting toned down.
Yes I do. I just haven’t been playing BGs much and have only done about 12 solo queues since the last patch, 12 or so premades.
When I did them I saw Mystikkal almost every match. You sometimes.
I didn’t like the NB changes so stopped queueing. Then rolled in a premade for a while in the middle tiers but got bored when we won every match.
Not playing BGs as often anymore doesn’t drop your MMR.
Pretty sure OP is speaking from a PvP perspective.Olupajmibanan wrote: »There are tanks that have no class AoE root you know? I don't understand how is Bombard better than Talons, Gripping Shards or Encase In fact, it is not. Thanks to stamina cost while class AoE roots cost magicka.With all due respect, I think you're mostly playing in unorganized, mid-range MMR BGs. In those games on my Necromancer, I've only ever seen 1 "Bombard spammer," and he really isn't all that dangerous otherwise. He also doesn't run premade groups so far as I can tell.I can’t believe I just saw bow and overpowered uttered in the same sentence. I have now seen it all.
You should step into some high MMR games with certain players who abuse the bejeezus out of Bombard. Cleanse it off? Instantly re-rooted with 0 immunity. Use Race Against Time? Re-rooted 2 seconds later. It will absolutely decimate your resources to try and maintain any mobility whatsoever on a Magicka build.
There also seem to be some bugs with the skill, since I've cleansed it off before and remained completely unable to move for several seconds, even though I had 0 debuff icons active.Bombard can oftentimes hit roughly as hard as most other spammables that aren't named Dizzying Swing, but the damage itself isn't the issue with the skill. I've long maintained that roots and snares need to be a factor in PvP, and not something that can be completely ignored. That said, it simply shouldn't be possible to completely lockdown opponents to the degree that one can with Bombard. The ability to spam the root + snare over and over (and over some more) needs to be toned down.stephbay123 wrote: »Bombard is not overpowered. I don’t use bow but the damage can often be easily healed through
I play at the highest MMR on PC-NA
No you don’t. If you did, youd see plenty of bombard spammers like me, mystikkal, or Ali Sabre.
It’s a stupid skill that needs to be nerfed. But at the same time, I feel it’s necessary to counter a Warden group permafrost push / 3rd party.
With perma getting toned down I’d be ok with bombard also getting toned down.
Yes I do. I just haven’t been playing BGs much and have only done about 12 solo queues since the last patch, 12 or so premades.
When I did them I saw Mystikkal almost every match. You sometimes.
I didn’t like the NB changes so stopped queueing. Then rolled in a premade for a while in the middle tiers but got bored when we won every match.
Not playing BGs as often anymore doesn’t drop your MMR.
Two things:
1. You don’t play primetime and don’t fight groups with dedicated bombard spammers. It’s not a problem in off hours, none of the players then have caught on.
2. Bombard spam has only been a problem for a little over a month.
100% agree it seems like the immobile doesn't seem to have a coo down
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Then by that logic anyone using lack of a high MMR as some sort of measuring device or as evidence of skill or lack thereof should also equally be ashamed, yes?
He said that in response to me, since I brought it up. While it's true that MMR doesn't directly correlate to individual skill in PvP, that doesn't make it completely irrelevant. If you solo queue on a low MMR character that you already know how to play, you're going to annihilate virtually everyone in the low MMR games with ease. Get that same character into the high MMR games and things will absolutely be more difficult. Not every opponent is going to be a seasoned pro, of course, but you will still be less likely to see people with 75 CP, PvE builds, PvE gear, etc...There is absolutely a difference between low, mid, and high MMR games. Claiming otherwise would make me think that the poster has little, if any, actual experience in BGs, and certainly isn't playing at high MMR very often.
Okay that’s it. ZOS if you see this it’s time to start moderating nerf threads. Enough is enough. If people do not provide any real evidence at the very least the thread needs to be immediately locked or deleted.
Bombard is only overperforming in endgame, small scale PvP, in which the bombarder is fighting an organized group that is stacked. This is most commonly seen in high MMR BGs, but is also seen occasionally in cyrodil.
Most of the people that don’t think it’s OP are neither fighting it or using it.
Pretty sure OP is speaking from a PvP perspective.Olupajmibanan wrote: »There are tanks that have no class AoE root you know? I don't understand how is Bombard better than Talons, Gripping Shards or Encase In fact, it is not. Thanks to stamina cost while class AoE roots cost magicka.With all due respect, I think you're mostly playing in unorganized, mid-range MMR BGs. In those games on my Necromancer, I've only ever seen 1 "Bombard spammer," and he really isn't all that dangerous otherwise. He also doesn't run premade groups so far as I can tell.I can’t believe I just saw bow and overpowered uttered in the same sentence. I have now seen it all.
You should step into some high MMR games with certain players who abuse the bejeezus out of Bombard. Cleanse it off? Instantly re-rooted with 0 immunity. Use Race Against Time? Re-rooted 2 seconds later. It will absolutely decimate your resources to try and maintain any mobility whatsoever on a Magicka build.
There also seem to be some bugs with the skill, since I've cleansed it off before and remained completely unable to move for several seconds, even though I had 0 debuff icons active.Bombard can oftentimes hit roughly as hard as most other spammables that aren't named Dizzying Swing, but the damage itself isn't the issue with the skill. I've long maintained that roots and snares need to be a factor in PvP, and not something that can be completely ignored. That said, it simply shouldn't be possible to completely lockdown opponents to the degree that one can with Bombard. The ability to spam the root + snare over and over (and over some more) needs to be toned down.stephbay123 wrote: »Bombard is not overpowered. I don’t use bow but the damage can often be easily healed through
I play at the highest MMR on PC-NA
No you don’t. If you did, youd see plenty of bombard spammers like me, mystikkal, or Ali Sabre.
It’s a stupid skill that needs to be nerfed. But at the same time, I feel it’s necessary to counter a Warden group permafrost push / 3rd party.
With perma getting toned down I’d be ok with bombard also getting toned down.
Okay that’s it. ZOS if you see this it’s time to start moderating nerf threads. Enough is enough. If people do not provide any real evidence at the very least the thread needs to be immediately locked or deleted.
Bombard is only overperforming in endgame, small scale PvP, in which the bombarder is fighting an organized group that is stacked. This is most commonly seen in high MMR BGs, but is also seen occasionally in cyrodil.
Most of the people that don’t think it’s OP are neither fighting it or using it.
So basically its not OP is what you are saying There needs to be general use of skill that overperforms, not situational. Situationally every skill overperforms somewhere against someone.
Unless this is just confused "AoE roots are OP against stacked groups" piece.
On PC EU only time i`ve seen this skill being used is on below 50 bgs and in low MMR bgs..
If you seriously think any semi-decent group will let you spam bombard on them you must be joking, the bow scrubos are getting instantly deleted.
I see Sniper spamming scrub >> KILL
I see Javelin / Scater shot spamming scrub > KILL
If i see ( which is veeeerryyy rare) bombard spamming scrub > KILL.
Unless the bow guy has cap resistances and is being Guarded answer is clear > GIT GUT
Okay that’s it. ZOS if you see this it’s time to start moderating nerf threads. Enough is enough. If people do not provide any real evidence at the very least the thread needs to be immediately locked or deleted.
Bombard is only overperforming in endgame, small scale PvP, in which the bombarder is fighting an organized group that is stacked. This is most commonly seen in high MMR BGs, but is also seen occasionally in cyrodil.
Most of the people that don’t think it’s OP are neither fighting it or using it.
So basically its not OP is what you are saying There needs to be general use of skill that overperforms, not situational. Situationally every skill overperforms somewhere against someone.
Unless this is just confused "AoE roots are OP against stacked groups" piece.
It’s a spammable AOE root with much longer range / effective area than others.. that’s kind of the point.On PC EU only time i`ve seen this skill being used is on below 50 bgs and in low MMR bgs..
If you seriously think any semi-decent group will let you spam bombard on them you must be joking, the bow scrubos are getting instantly deleted.
I see Sniper spamming scrub >> KILL
I see Javelin / Scater shot spamming scrub > KILL
If i see ( which is veeeerryyy rare) bombard spamming scrub > KILL.
Unless the bow guy has cap resistances and is being Guarded answer is clear > GIT GUT
Lol what? There are no Stam dps with bow backbar on PC EU? No 2h/bow stamplars or Stam sorcs or stamdens? And nobody runs roots on EU? Hmm
I know EU builds tanky but damn that’s bizarre that nobody backbars a bow or runs roots in BGs in EU.
So crazy, in fact, that I don’t believe it at all. but I’ll ask some peoples. Who knows.