High cost of Fossilize and no real movement speed outside Race Against Time or Mist and general being in melee range exposing yourself to Dizzy spammers.

mDK has a rough time balancing between offense and defense. DK plays best if you stay aggressive and on the offense all the time, but lacking options for Major Evasion, Major Expedition (there is one, but it's an offensive buff) choosing WHERE you fight is more important than on other classes, particularly stam, that can run circles around you. You can play super bursty or super tanky, but the sweet spot in between is hard to find outside of pugging and zerging. And sustain on this class is terrible.

mDK is really strong this patch but has had it's time spent in dumpster tier. It seems like it will be a bit weaker next patch, but still viable. It's by far my favorite class, and I've thought that since I started playing it in the dumpster tier era.

Unfortunately I do agree with Ghost that magplar *currently* is a better front line bruiser class, along with stam DK. Which seems out of whack to me.

P.S. Strongest class heal by far goes to mag sorc... but they have to double bar it and you can kill it.

P.P.S. Leap is dodgeable.

Eh, it's not as much of a golden god class as you're making it out to be, original poster.

You don't get magicka regen bonuses like magicka nightlblades or spell cost reductions like magicka sorcerers, so you rely on heavy attacks to make up for shoddier sustain. Works fine in PVE, but in PVP you'll have a miserable go of it. Molten armaments gives a 50% bonus to heavy attacks for this very reason. Enforce the heavy attack recharge angle. If meditate is indeed broken so that you can use it for unlimited sustain, that benefits everyone too much and is going to get patched out of the game. I wouldn't count that as a positive of the class; sounds like an exploit you're going to lose shortly.

You don't get a class execute as a magicak dragonknight, so that's not part of your tool set and you have no real way to get it elsewhere. You also don't have a lot of great mobility skills. Leap uses ultimate instead of mana. Now if you're a vampire with mist form or use the major expedition Psijic skill, you can make up for this... but then you're a vampire or lose a meaningful skill for the Psijic skill.

You get a good gap closer with fiery grip though, so that helps a bit there. You also get some decent stuns, and your class spammable can do more damage to stunned people, so that's a perk. I don't use fossilize because it doesn't do a lot of damage and I'm a dot-class by design, but I have used it to some effect in pvp. As for Fires of Oblivion, you could take that to proc the molten whip buff upon use and get passive spell critical... or you could take inner light for a 5% max magicka boost, the passive spell critical boost, and then use burning embers and fiery whip to buff up molten whip. Whatever floats your boat. I prefer the latter because a permanent 5% magicka boost is far more useful than a mediocre orb of fire splashing against one target every 5 seconds for 15 seconds.

The class self-heal is pretty great (the BEST class self-heal in the game? I don't know. Templar heals are pretty nice and I never had a problem with dark conversion as a sorcerer. Best? Can't say), volatile armor is effectively lightning form from the sorcerer tree and can help keep you alive when need be. Nice class skill. Inhale and Burning Embers both provide fairly nice heals in the middle of fights, so you can handle damage pretty well... which is good, because you're not going to be avoiding it too well with your low stamina and your lack of escapes / maneuverability skills.

The Achilles heel of the sub-class is actually Update 24, unless they've changed it since the last patch notes. You're an attrition damage-dealer, so you rely on dots. Due to a knee jerk reaction to the dot meta that popped up in Update 23, ALL DOTS ARE GETTING NERFED ABOUT 60% DAMAGE-WISE and are having magicka costs go up 35% to 120% (in the case of Blockade). Most of your damage abilities are dots, because you're a dot-based damage dealer by intentional design. Thus, the knee jerk hits you two ways. A: you're a sub-class with sustain issues and these increased magicka costs are going to make things much worse for you. B: Outside of molten whip, you likely relied on burning embers, fiery breath, and blockade to stack up dot damage. On short fights, you're a joke. On longer fights, you pan out well. Three of those have had their damage reduced by 60%. You're a joke on all fights, now. *shrug*

I'm studying for my mid-terms right now, but I'll be rolling a stamina nightblade in about a week and giving up on my main until Update 25 or 26, depending on which one fixes the upcoming trainwreck.

Enjoy being useful while it lasts, hombre. It won't last long.

Calboy wrote: »

The drawbacks are

-Not enough bar space to utilise everything. On paper we have access to great things but you generally are sacrificing something else to slot it

That’s every classes drawback hahaha. I’m always wishing I had just TWO more skill slots lol.

- Range
- Sustain
- Update 24....

Those are things I would say are the downsides for magDK, but I'm still new to it.

Non-CP Perspective:
1. No execute
2. Lack of build creativity
3. Heavily relies on DoTs (1 Purge is all they need to shut it down)
4. Sustain is trash if you don't use a typical set like bright-throat, or magicka recovery stat boosts like from light gear passives or glyphs
5. Building your damage based on flame damage doesn't benefit spell damage for heals
6. Close combat
7. No real gap closer (chains are unreliable when fighting against a player with different elevation from where you are and it allows the player to be immune to control once pulled. Wings was nerfed so you can't force the enemy to go toe-to-toe against you, and if you charge at them, you'll take far too much damage and run out of sustain.
8. Sustain (mostly from costly skills)
9. Go heavy=tanky but no damage so you might have to rely on heavy attacking for damage and/or recovery (heavy is much better for stamina DKs but would recommend heavy for MagDks in CP), & go light=squishy with no burst damage other than leap and stacked 3x molten whip. (
10. Mobility
11. A lot of single target damage skills
12. No large scale group heals within the class lines (We have cinderstorm I guess, but thats a 5m radius + costs 5.6k magicka + not a burst heal)
13. Since you're a magicka class you might have some stamina issues which is important to have in PvP

I think MagDK is great this patch. The biggest problems i have is the mobility, all these dancing queens in PvP likes to run away when the fight gets real. No room for chains on my bar

Ingel_Riday wrote: »

Enjoy being useful while it lasts, hombre. It won't last long.

Unless he goes and duels or does BG's all day long, where MagDK has been at the top for about 2 year.

Commancho wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Weak ranged attacks, bad sustain, lack of mobility. After update this class will be dead. I mean what you gonna do against ranged attacks? Spam rocks? Lol even if you get in the close range what you gonna do? Slap them few times with a whip before they get away again because all your other abilities will be pathetic?

Dk have a class gap closer You know ?

No, elaborate pls.

The non-tank morph of Chains, Empowering Chains. Gap closes to player, does some flame damage and can't be dodged, grants 4 seconds of Major Expedition, doesn't CC player so you can follow up on getting close to them with a stun, and grants 2 uses of Empower.

It's legit a very good skill and I rarely see it used. It's very difficult to find room for it with all the other things you need is the downside.