sleet storm change

UrbanMonk · October 2019

xWarbrain wrote: »

No, why run Forest or Restro? I'm absolutely never going to use them. I used to run it like that, until I realized its a waste of a skill slot.

Because both of them are Life saver in a Pinch.

Either way I'm gonna do a QUick comparison on PTS, how much this change really effects my build.
Specially now when I have my character copies on PTS.

iRaivyne · October 2019

No longer planning to level my wardens. 0 desire to run meteor/destro ult or dawnbreaker/2h ult for PvP on yet another character. They are taking away the unique strengths of every class... What's the effing point? Just slap a bunch of weapon and guild skills on literally everything.

Last year, I used 7-8 class abilities on my StamBlade, today I use 2. That speaks volumes about what has happened to class identity due to all of these balance changes. Coincidence, or money grab? You decide.

UrbanMonk · October 2019

Apparently for 30 sec you get ~4% dmg boost after using Northern storm but rest of the time you are playing with ~4% less damage, which seems to me overall a Damage nerf. This forces you to use ultis ASAP rather than strategically using them when needed.
@ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_BrianWheeler - This change takes out the strategic Play that you guys are pushing for. 8% Passive mag is far better than 30 sec of 15%. Please reconsider.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2019

HankTwo wrote: »

Oh, the forum overreaction, lol...

Permafrost change is good, since the proposed version on the previous PTS would have been far too op. Now its a clear defensive morph choice.

Northern storm on the other hand received neither a flat nerf, nor a flat buff. You get 30s of max magicka buff after usage, which is a rather long buff. The big advantage now is that there is no need to double bar it anymore. Magdens can run northern storm on the frontbar/backbar only and equip another ult, for example the tree ult, for both passives and a cheaper defensive option.

i agree

Lucky28 · October 2019

UrbanMonk wrote: »

Ok. So 1st Magden Lost its range stun and now Permafrost and its morphs are being gutted. Why ? Honestly, there wont be any reason to slot northern storm anymore but probably Meteor to get that max mag. 30% dmg reduction will be missed but what can you do.

It's a class skill thus it's gotta go. Everyone has to have the same kits, haven't you heard?.

Hashtag_ · October 2019

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

They gave it the Flawless Dawnbreaker treatment

Yup just more homogenization

Hashtag_ · October 2019

xWarbrain wrote: »

No, why run Forest or Restro? I'm absolutely never going to use them. I used to run it like that, until I realized its a waste of a skill slot.

Zergling spotted

GusTheWizard · October 2019

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sleet Storm:
Permafrost (morph): Reduced the damage done of this morph by 50% to ensure this morph functions primarily as a utility and defensive morph.

This is only Permafrost, Northern storm’s damage is still the same.

jaws343 · October 2019

UrbanMonk wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

UrbanMonk wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

Oh, the forum overreaction, lol...

Permafrost change is good, since the proposed version on the previous PTS would have been far too op. Now its a clear defensive morph choice.

Northern storm on the other hand received neither a flat nerf, nor a flat buff. You get 30s of max magicka buff after usage, which is a rather long buff. The big advantage now is that there is no need to double bar it anymore. Magdens can run northern storm on the frontbar/backbar only and equip another ult, for example the tree ult, for both passives and a cheaper defensive option.

Northern Storm is never used on both bar and if u are doing so, then I got no words for u.
It was a decent ulti with nice passive but this 30 sec of proc crap is worthless. Specially considering you lost 50% damage. Why would you run this anymore. Slotting Meteor will give you more mag whic hboosts your damage not only of your skills but of Ulti as well and does more damage.

1. Slotting Northern Storm on both bars is the only way to run it. No reason to slot a second ult, its not being used and Northern Storm passive is too good.
2. 50% damage reduction is happening to Permafrost.

1. Slotting Northern Storm on both bars is the only way to run it. No reason to slot a second ult, its not being used and Northern Storm passive is too good.- You run it on your Ofencive bar and on defensive bar, you use The forest or Resto Ult.
2. 50% damage reduction is happening to Permafrost. - Yes, I did not read that one right. My bad.

If I am running Northern Storm, I am running it front bar only and back barring Barrier for the Magicka Aid passive. Having the max mag active at all times on the front bar for offensive power and the recovery passive active back bar for defensive actions was powerful.

SFDB · October 2019

Community: Some of us would like to have Ice Mages be viable for DPS.

ZoS: We hear you, and as we are committed to class identity, the Warden's ice damage abilities will be nerfed. As part of our master plan. Which we can't tell you about. But we can show you, we have a copy right in our pocket here... [middle finger] Yeah there it is. That's our DPS Ice Mage plan, take a good, good look. Now go back to throwing birds at people like a #$%^ing normal Warden, freak.

Nemesis7884 · October 2019

kathandira wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

makes about 0.0 sense... did anyone ask for this? why do they keep changing stuff that is fine and nobody asks for but dont change stuff people have been asking for months? ? ?

Just when Frost Damage was moving towards a via DPS option, they do this....

and when we're about it...change the stupid bear into a frost attronach for mag that does frost damage and an iron attronach that does physical damage for stam.... why this wasnt done in the first place is beyond me....the bear doesnt even thematically fit for 80% of wardens races

fierackas · October 2019

What a load of rubbish, class identity my arse

kathandira · October 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

makes about 0.0 sense... did anyone ask for this? why do they keep changing stuff that is fine and nobody asks for but dont change stuff people have been asking for months? ? ?

Just when Frost Damage was moving towards a via DPS option, they do this....

and when we're about it...change the stupid bear into a frost attronach for mag that does frost damage and an iron attronach that does physical damage for stam.... why this wasnt done in the first place is beyond me....the bear doesnt even thematically fit for 80% of wardens races

i'm ok with the Companion tree being all animals. I'd just like the Frost tree to do a bit more damage. I'm pleased that Arctic Blast is getting it's damage back, that was definitely a step in the right direction. And since Northern Storm is still keeping it's damage, that is also good. I'd just rather the steady 8% magicka rather than a temporary buff.

fred4 · October 2019

For me, Northern Storm was always about magicka stacking, so you get a bigger shield. Now you only get that after activation. Why they feel the need to tinker with stuff that no one was talking about is beyond me.

Heatnix90 · October 2019

fred4 wrote: »

For me, Northern Storm was always about magicka stacking, so you get a bigger shield. Now you only get that after activation. Why they feel the need to tinker with stuff that no one was talking about is beyond me.

Combat team has a quota of "completely random, pointless changes" that they need to fill each patch.

kalunte · October 2019

in fact, having to choose when you want a 15% buff is more strategical than always having 8%. if you cant manage to spam the skill every 16s it will definatly be a nerf. but when dmg are needed, it'll be a buff, when you are slacking or being strategized, well, you're a bit squishier. nothing astunishing.

from a pve perspective, it is a nerf.

from a pvp perspective, it is a buff, since warden's common playstyle is about shielding to build ult, charge in once its full, releasing everything that may be on bars, rince and repeat.

As for the frost mage, well, guys, all frost passives and procs are to weaken the enemy. how can you expect it to be on top or even on par with something that'll only do damage? it can be viable already but it will never be on par or on top of any pure dps dmg build. (and never should be, unless they turn frost procs to be wow's frost mage's procs)

tsaescishoeshiner · October 2019

BuildMan wrote: »

Currently I slot permafrost as my ultimate because it allows me to have a strong unblockable stun while giving me the defense necessary to push aggressively for kills. Northern storm while good for magden offers no utility to stamden. This change being proposed will kill permafrost for me and offers no purpose in slotting northern storm for stamden as the magicka is a waste.

The stun is being moved to Arctic Blast, which, while a magicka skill, lets you get that AoE stun while freeing up an ultimate to deal damage during it. Meanwhile Permafrost is getting its 70% snare back (for 12 seconds!) which is really what made this skill so killer back in the day. No one will be able to escape that. Losing the DPS and stun sucks for stamden, but the snare is brutal and can still turn fights

Starlight_Knight · October 2019

First magden lost its undodgeable birds, then the stun off fissure, then the cliff racer was sped up so it couldn't be used for burst with fissure and force pulse, we begged for a stun and zos gave us that pos that is arctic blast, then they nerfed the masters destro staff by nerfing shock clench so we couldn't use that anymore,

The warden community has always asked for a rework of fetcher because the 50% is daft and unusable in pvp, we asked for an execute on it like poison injection.

and a reliable stun, how am i supposed to kill anyone in a 1v1 or 1vx on my magden without an on demand stun. i don't want this hit you 3 times then it stuns crap how am i supposed to do anything with that apart from give my opponent CC immunity.

Regarding the op post, its just another daft change nobody needed, Nightblades can get 8% increase magic for having a skill slotted its not like it was op. Anything to get them away from addressing the actual warden pain points.

Nemesis7884 · October 2019

kalunte wrote: »

in fact, having to choose when you want a 15% buff is more strategical than always having 8%. if you cant manage to spam the skill every 16s it will definatly be a nerf. but when dmg are needed, it'll be a buff, when you are slacking or being strategized, well, you're a bit squishier. nothing astunishing.

from a pve perspective, it is a nerf.

from a pvp perspective, it is a buff, since warden's common playstyle is about shielding to build ult, charge in once its full, releasing everything that may be on bars, rince and repeat.

As for the frost mage, well, guys, all frost passives and procs are to weaken the enemy. how can you expect it to be on top or even on par with something that'll only do damage? it can be viable already but it will never be on par or on top of any pure dps dmg build. (and never should be, unless they turn frost procs to be wow's frost mage's procs)

i guess we are now at a point where they not only prioritize pvp over pve in areas where pvp'ers complained but ACTIVELY seek out skill to change to make them more useful for pvp

I am getting more annoyed by the second - obviously a great idea to put the pvp guy in charge of pve...

a couple more of these pvp patch notes and i will definitely leaf this game behind me and download gw2 again

fred4 · October 2019

nvm