sleet storm change

Nemesis7884

makes about 0.0 sense... did anyone ask for this? why do they keep changing stuff that is fine and nobody asks for but dont change stuff people have been asking for months? ? ?

kathandira

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

makes about 0.0 sense... did anyone ask for this? why do they keep changing stuff that is fine and nobody asks for but dont change stuff people have been asking for months? ? ?

Just when Frost Damage was moving towards a via DPS option, they do this....

jaws343

Permafrost seems to be only viable on a support tank/healer type build. Or someone who is using on the back bar in emergencies.

Northern storm is unfortunate. The passive magica while slotted was pretty nice. Having the magica boost while it is active will be nice for burst, but really hinders this abilities usefulness. I guess you could pair it with Balorghs for a solid damage boost whenever you use the ult. But really, Meteor might be a better option since it still provides a boost for slotting and does flame damage and has a chance to stun.

xWarbrain

Its a joke.

Sandman929

I was looking forward to the 12 second Perma, but without the damage nerf it was probably a bit too strong. This is a clear separation between the morphs, just halving the damage of Perma. I don't see the need for the Northern Storm change, but I don't think it's terrible.

UrbanMonk

Ok. So 1st Magden Lost its range stun and now Permafrost and its morphs are being gutted. Why ? Honestly, there wont be any reason to slot northern storm anymore but probably Meteor to get that max mag. 30% dmg reduction will be missed but what can you do.

xWarbrain

Because you can buy the Mages Guild line with crowns.

Slot Meteor.

Elsonso

jaws343 wrote: »

Permafrost seems to be only viable on a support tank/healer type build. Or someone who is using on the back bar in emergencies.

Northern storm is unfortunate. The passive magica while slotted was pretty nice. Having the magica boost while it is active will be nice for burst, but really hinders this abilities usefulness. I guess you could pair it with Balorghs for a solid damage boost whenever you use the ult. But really, Meteor might be a better option since it still provides a boost for slotting and does flame damage and has a chance to stun.

I use the bear, which has to be slotted on both bars. I am opposed to passives that have to be slotted on both bars, and I think that this is one of them. If it is, good riddance.

xWarbrain

I don't trust anyone that begins an argument with "I use the bear".

Edit: Also, slotting the bear passively provides 2% damage on each bar...so there goes your justification of this nerf to Northern Storm.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Blow after blow for madgens, especially our beloved and unjustly gutted ice madgens.

Elsonso

xWarbrain wrote: »

I don't trust anyone that begins an argument with "I use the bear".

Edit: Also, slotting the bear passively provides 2% damage on each bar...so there goes your justification of this nerf to Northern Storm.

I don't want to slot the bear on both bars. I can't use any other ultimate because I have to take up both bars for the bear. What I want is the bear on one (persistent) and another ultimate on the other.

Sinolai

and why max magicka? Why do I get max magicka for 30 seconds? Are we expected to fill our magicka pool during the Sleet Storm and then use 9% of it before the effect ends to get the maximium utility? The only thing that really matters here is the spell damage that is recieved from max magicka but I'd rather take just spell damage instead of max magicka. Or just a flat damage boost.

jaws343

Sinolai wrote: »

and why max magicka? Why do I get max magicka for 30 seconds? Are we expected to fill our magicka pool during the Sleet Storm and then use 9% of it before the effect ends to get the maximium utility? The only thing that really matters here is the spell damage that is recieved from max magicka but I'd rather take just spell damage instead of max magicka. Or just a flat damage boost.

A flat damage boost to enemies hit by the storm would be a great change over the max mag increase.

SenpaiNFT

They gave it the Flawless Dawnbreaker treatment

xWarbrain

lordrichter wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

I don't trust anyone that begins an argument with "I use the bear".

Edit: Also, slotting the bear passively provides 2% damage on each bar...so there goes your justification of this nerf to Northern Storm.

I don't want to slot the bear on both bars. I can't use any other ultimate because I have to take up both bars for the bear. What I want is the bear on one (persistent) and another ultimate on the other.

That would be equal to running 2 ultimates at the same time, with one of them technically being an execute. Not gonna happen.

HankTwo

Oh, the forum overreaction, lol...

Permafrost change is good, since the proposed version on the previous PTS would have been far too op. Now its a clear defensive morph choice.

Northern storm on the other hand received neither a flat nerf, nor a flat buff. You get 30s of max magicka buff after usage, which is a rather long buff. The big advantage now is that there is no need to double bar it anymore. Magdens can run northern storm on the frontbar/backbar only and equip another ult, for example the tree ult, for both passives and a cheaper defensive option.

UndeniablyAVG

Id prefer it if they just made Northern Storm give weapon and spell damage after activation. Or max mag and max stam.

I like to use Permafrost offensively at the moment, now the damage has been killed on that it leaves Stam Warden without an offensive ultimate for PVP.

I agree that Permafrost was overloaded, however if this was put in place it would give you an option of defensive and offensive for both Stamina and Magicka Warden.

Canned_Apples

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

Id prefer it if they just made Northern Storm give weapon and spell damage after activation. Or max mag and max stam.

I like to use Permafrost offensively at the moment, now the damage has been killed on that it leaves Stam Warden without an offensive ultimate for PVP.

I agree that Permafrost was overloaded, however if this was put in place it would give you an option of defensive and offensive for both Stamina and Magicka Warden.

You mean there are stamdens out there that aren't running onslaught as their offensive ult?

Casul

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

Id prefer it if they just made Northern Storm give weapon and spell damage after activation. Or max mag and max stam.

I like to use Permafrost offensively at the moment, now the damage has been killed on that it leaves Stam Warden without an offensive ultimate for PVP.

I agree that Permafrost was overloaded, however if this was put in place it would give you an option of defensive and offensive for both Stamina and Magicka Warden.

This is my exact issue with the change. Currently I slot permafrost as my ultimate because it allows me to have a strong unblockable stun while giving me the defense necessary to push aggressively for kills. Northern storm while good for magden offers no utility to stamden. This change being proposed will kill permafrost for me and offers no purpose in slotting northern storm for stamden as the magicka is a waste.

Hopefully they will look into it more because this is the only change I am unhappy about.

UndeniablyAVG

Canned_Apples wrote: »

You mean there are stamdens out there that aren't running onslaught as their offensive ult?

Haha, well I personally don't run it during group play!

And forcing more stam classes to run Onslaught/Dawnbreaker because there aren't other options seems to be moving backwards in my opinion.

Elsonso

xWarbrain wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

I don't trust anyone that begins an argument with "I use the bear".

Edit: Also, slotting the bear passively provides 2% damage on each bar...so there goes your justification of this nerf to Northern Storm.

I don't want to slot the bear on both bars. I can't use any other ultimate because I have to take up both bars for the bear. What I want is the bear on one (persistent) and another ultimate on the other.

That would be equal to running 2 ultimates at the same time, with one of them technically being an execute. Not gonna happen.

Right. The warden pet should not even be an Ultimate. It simply does not fit with the game.

UrbanMonk

HankTwo wrote: »

Oh, the forum overreaction, lol...

Permafrost change is good, since the proposed version on the previous PTS would have been far too op. Now its a clear defensive morph choice.

Northern storm on the other hand received neither a flat nerf, nor a flat buff. You get 30s of max magicka buff after usage, which is a rather long buff. The big advantage now is that there is no need to double bar it anymore. Magdens can run northern storm on the frontbar/backbar only and equip another ult, for example the tree ult, for both passives and a cheaper defensive option.

Northern Storm is never used on both bar and if u are doing so, then I got no words for u.
It was a decent ulti with nice passive but this 30 sec of proc crap is worthless. Why would you run this anymore. Slotting Meteor will give you more mag whic hboosts your damage not only of your skills but of Ulti as well and does more damage.

Edit: I was wrog for the damage reduction. Reading patch notes on phone mght have this effect

Casul

UrbanMonk wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

Oh, the forum overreaction, lol...

Permafrost change is good, since the proposed version on the previous PTS would have been far too op. Now its a clear defensive morph choice.

Northern storm on the other hand received neither a flat nerf, nor a flat buff. You get 30s of max magicka buff after usage, which is a rather long buff. The big advantage now is that there is no need to double bar it anymore. Magdens can run northern storm on the frontbar/backbar only and equip another ult, for example the tree ult, for both passives and a cheaper defensive option.

Northern Storm is never used on both bar and if u are doing so, then I got no words for u.
It was a decent ulti with nice passive but this 30 sec of proc crap is worthless. Specially considering you lost 50% damage. Why would you run this anymore. Slotting Meteor will give you more mag whic hboosts your damage not only of your skills but of Ulti as well and does more damage.

Only permafrost lost 50%, not that I'm happy with the change. But let's at least put accurate information out.

DoonerSeraph

UrbanMonk wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

Oh, the forum overreaction, lol...

Permafrost change is good, since the proposed version on the previous PTS would have been far too op. Now its a clear defensive morph choice.

Northern storm on the other hand received neither a flat nerf, nor a flat buff. You get 30s of max magicka buff after usage, which is a rather long buff. The big advantage now is that there is no need to double bar it anymore. Magdens can run northern storm on the frontbar/backbar only and equip another ult, for example the tree ult, for both passives and a cheaper defensive option.

Northern Storm is never used on both bar and if u are doing so, then I got no words for u.
It was a decent ulti with nice passive but this 30 sec of proc crap is worthless. Specially considering you lost 50% damage. Why would you run this anymore. Slotting Meteor will give you more mag whic hboosts your damage not only of your skills but of Ulti as well and does more damage.

Northern Storm did not lose 50% damage, only Permafrost, AKA the other morph.

xWarbrain

UrbanMonk wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

Oh, the forum overreaction, lol...

Permafrost change is good, since the proposed version on the previous PTS would have been far too op. Now its a clear defensive morph choice.

Northern storm on the other hand received neither a flat nerf, nor a flat buff. You get 30s of max magicka buff after usage, which is a rather long buff. The big advantage now is that there is no need to double bar it anymore. Magdens can run northern storm on the frontbar/backbar only and equip another ult, for example the tree ult, for both passives and a cheaper defensive option.

Northern Storm is never used on both bar and if u are doing so, then I got no words for u.
It was a decent ulti with nice passive but this 30 sec of proc crap is worthless. Specially considering you lost 50% damage. Why would you run this anymore. Slotting Meteor will give you more mag whic hboosts your damage not only of your skills but of Ulti as well and does more damage.

1. Slotting Northern Storm on both bars is the only way to run it. No reason to slot a second ult, its not being used and Northern Storm passive is too good.
2. 50% damage reduction is happening to Permafrost.

UrbanMonk

xWarbrain wrote: »

UrbanMonk wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

Oh, the forum overreaction, lol...

Permafrost change is good, since the proposed version on the previous PTS would have been far too op. Now its a clear defensive morph choice.

Northern storm on the other hand received neither a flat nerf, nor a flat buff. You get 30s of max magicka buff after usage, which is a rather long buff. The big advantage now is that there is no need to double bar it anymore. Magdens can run northern storm on the frontbar/backbar only and equip another ult, for example the tree ult, for both passives and a cheaper defensive option.

Northern Storm is never used on both bar and if u are doing so, then I got no words for u.
It was a decent ulti with nice passive but this 30 sec of proc crap is worthless. Specially considering you lost 50% damage. Why would you run this anymore. Slotting Meteor will give you more mag whic hboosts your damage not only of your skills but of Ulti as well and does more damage.

1. Slotting Northern Storm on both bars is the only way to run it. No reason to slot a second ult, its not being used and Northern Storm passive is too good.
2. 50% damage reduction is happening to Permafrost.

1. Slotting Northern Storm on both bars is the only way to run it. No reason to slot a second ult, its not being used and Northern Storm passive is too good.- You run it on your Ofencive bar and on defensive bar, you use The forest or Resto Ult.
2. 50% damage reduction is happening to Permafrost. - Yes, I did not read that one right. My bad.

xWarbrain

No, why run Forest or Restro? I'm absolutely never going to use them. I used to run it like that, until I realized its a waste of a skill slot.

kalunte

fair change.#Flawless Dawnbreaker.

YandereGirlfriend

First ever post here but had to register my heartbreak for these changes, especially Northern Storm.

Frost wardens are already second-class citizens in ESO but the dev team seems to want to drive them fully to extinction.

Every PTS this year it's like they spin a giant wheel and nerf into oblivion any ability that comes up.

Absolutely devastating changes.

Heatnix90

Yeah this change completely comes out of left field, I mean I can kinda justify the Permafrost change since it offers utility but why of all things would Gil and Wheels change Northern. What a joke.

kalunte

hum... sleet storm provide the same utility as permafrost. for a shorter duration and the snare is 40% instead of 70%. but it keeps on snaring, dmging and providing major prot for you and your close mates..

@Heatnix90