Really? Who wanted this?

RighteousBacon · October 2019

Northern Storm (morph):
The Max Magicka granted from this morph is no longer enabled passively by slotting. Instead, it is granted for 30 seconds after activating the Ultimate.
Increased the amount of Magicka granted to 9% from 8%.
This morph now ranks up in 2% Max Magicka granted per rank, up to 15% at Rank I, rather than 1.1% damage done per rank.

With the damage nerf to permafrost this morph was looking like the go-to option for magwardens in PvP. Now with this change, the damage is better, but the constant max mag was important for shield strength and sustain while playing magwarden. Now we just get the damage benefit of the magicka when casting the ability, so it’s purely damage.

I’m considering just running destro ult instead, depending on how the damage numbers compare.

I’m so tired of these changes that are just unnecessary. Magwarden is anything but overperforming in PvP right now. We didn’t need a nerf to both morphs of our unique and favorite ultimate.

Pevey · October 2019

It is difficult to believe any dev time would be allocated to this change when there is so much other work to do.

Gilvoth · October 2019

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

UndeniablyAVG · October 2019

Stam Warden has been overperforming, you can't really say the same of Magwarden.

This is an odd change and I really can't see the rationale behind it.

Gilvoth · October 2019

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

Stam Warden has been overperforming, you can't really say the same of Magwarden.

This is an odd change and I really can't see the rationale behind it.

well then i dont know, wardens are walking tanks that do alot of damage, and that is a thing that should not be.

xWarbrain · October 2019

$20 says they remove Major Protection from the Northern Storm morph last minute before patch goes live, without telling anyone it was going to happen.

Zevrro · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

Stam Warden has been overperforming, you can't really say the same of Magwarden.

This is an odd change and I really can't see the rationale behind it.

well then i dont know, wardens are walking tanks that do alot of damage, and that is a thing that should not be.

Sounds like a problem on your end rather than magwardens.

susmitds · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

SeaUnicorn · October 2019

Healdens used it too...

Casul · October 2019

I just wish they would allow it to have some utility for stamden. I enjoy using permafrost on my stamden but I can adapt to using northern storm if it was a dedicated offensive morph that offered utility to both class specs. At this point I'll probably just have to go back to DBoS.

Gilvoth · October 2019

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

StrandedMonkey · October 2019

is this going to be a thing every week now

Zevrro · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

It wouldn't be much of an ultimate if it could be countered that easily. I'm assuming you talking about it being able to break stealth means you're playing nightblade which means you shouldn't have much trouble being able to move out of the AOE.

Insco851 · October 2019

Magdens didn’t deserve this lol. First you nuke the synergy between lightening staffs and magden by killing the stun, then you essentially Make perma a support only skill. So destro ultd and meteor or that absolute joke bear...

Gg zos, Gfg

Gilvoth · October 2019

and btw it doesnt "show red" this thing is invisible.
it needs changed so we can see it and where the damage area.

Insco851 · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

This man has never once realized he was getting ulti’d by a magden... couldn’t pick it out a lineup...

Zevrro · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

and btw it doesnt "show red" this thing is invisible.
it needs changed so we can see it and where the damage area.

The damage area is that huge wheel of ice shards spinning around. Do you really need the game to make it more obvious?

Gilvoth · October 2019

this video here shows it has no red. it also is unclear if it was happening while in first person.
it needs changed to show the red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ysNqSlqRlo

Gilvoth · October 2019

Zevrro wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

It wouldn't be much of an ultimate if it could be countered that easily. I'm assuming you talking about it being able to break stealth means you're playing nightblade which means you shouldn't have much trouble being able to move out of the AOE.

it has the 40% slow to it should be removed and allow me to get out of the way area, that stupid hurricane area it creates is HUGE.

kalunte · October 2019

Zevrro wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

It wouldn't be much of an ultimate if it could be countered that easily. I'm assuming you talking about it being able to break stealth means you're playing nightblade which means you shouldn't have much trouble being able to move out of the AOE.

LOLOLOLOL where were you when they nerfed other ults with useless silence, cast time, loss of debuffs and so on? even the "pve morph" of Dawnbreaker got the same treatment as sleet storm.

ppl are only crying when theyr overpowared abilities are tweaked. i can only agree with such change (yes i'm a nightblade, you can tbag my portrait for free)

kalunte · October 2019

"if it could be countered easily" total meh on that

Zevrro · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

It wouldn't be much of an ultimate if it could be countered that easily. I'm assuming you talking about it being able to break stealth means you're playing nightblade which means you shouldn't have much trouble being able to move out of the AOE.

it has the 40% slow to it should be removed and allow me to get out of the way area, that stupid hurricane area it creates is HUGE.

Have you heard of snare removal?

Chilly-McFreeze · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

this video here shows it has no red. it also is unclear if it was happening while in first person.
it needs changed to show the red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ysNqSlqRlo

You play PvP in 1st person?

Zevrro · October 2019

kalunte wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

It wouldn't be much of an ultimate if it could be countered that easily. I'm assuming you talking about it being able to break stealth means you're playing nightblade which means you shouldn't have much trouble being able to move out of the AOE.

LOLOLOLOL where were you when they nerfed other ults with useless silence, cast time, loss of debuffs and so on? even the "pve morph" of Dawnbreaker got the same treatment as sleet storm.

ppl are only crying when theyr overpowared abilities are tweaked. i can only agree with such change (yes i'm a nightblade, you can tbag my portrait for free)

When did I say I agreed with those changes? Me defending one ultimate doesn't mean I think the rest deserved nerfs.

Gilvoth · October 2019

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

this video here shows it has no red. it also is unclear if it was happening while in first person.
it needs changed to show the red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ysNqSlqRlo

You play PvP in 1st person?

no, but i cant see the red on this and its way too huge.
it completely removes us from stealth and its way too low in cost for 200 ult.
this thing is spammable and needs change and or deleted from eso entirely.
needs gone, get rid of it.

kringled_1 · October 2019

If you pvp on PC/NA (kaal) and are not EP, fighting Gilvoth provides a lot of context for these discussions.

Wolfpaw · October 2019

New lotro out yet?

kalunte · October 2019

@Zevrro true. sorry.

Gilvoth · October 2019

kringled_1 wrote: »

fighting Gilvoth

theres nerfs all around this forum on a constant and daily basis, nerfs to this ultimate is LONG time inc. and i support these changes.
if the skill is kept in eso then it needs to actually be red so we can see it.
atleast remove the foolish "40%" slow it gives so people can get out of its path and escape insta death.

Pevey · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

this video here shows it has no red. it also is unclear if it was happening while in first person.
it needs changed to show the red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ysNqSlqRlo

You play PvP in 1st person?

no, but i cant see the red on this and its way too huge.
it completely removes us from stealth and its way too low in cost for 200 ult.
this thing is spammable and needs change and or deleted from eso entirely.
needs gone, get rid of it.

Another enlightened vote for the LA v LA only meta.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2019

RighteousBacon wrote: »

Northern Storm (morph):
The Max Magicka granted from this morph is no longer enabled passively by slotting. Instead, it is granted for 30 seconds after activating the Ultimate.
Increased the amount of Magicka granted to 9% from 8%.
This morph now ranks up in 2% Max Magicka granted per rank, up to 15% at Rank I, rather than 1.1% damage done per rank.

With the damage nerf to permafrost this morph was looking like the go-to option for magwardens in PvP. Now with this change, the damage is better, but the constant max mag was important for shield strength and sustain while playing magwarden. Now we just get the damage benefit of the magicka when casting the ability, so it’s purely damage.

I’m considering just running destro ult instead, depending on how the damage numbers compare.

I’m so tired of these changes that are just unnecessary. Magwarden is anything but overperforming in PvP right now. We didn’t need a nerf to both morphs of our unique and favorite ultimate.

well i mean, you no longer have to double slot northern storm, and you get 7% more now when it's activated. You lose passive benefit which is great imo, because our class is legit just "slot this and slot that". I'm down for this change the more and more I look at it. Now what should be coming is a proper skill that really fits in with our burst such as my Arctic Blast 4.0 idea, then we would actually have something unique and fun happening on this class with damage skill synergy. means we could take berserk away from bird of prey to make that skill actually a movement skill, as all it does right now is patch up our *** design.

perma's 50% nerf was absolutely deserving. it's the damn best utility ultimate in the game. very happy that it's staying utility while northern stays damage like we asked.