I do not believe they were referring to Stamina Healer builds, but rather Stamina and Healer builds separately. The context was referring to making builds viable without a heavy reliance on non-class skills, but stamina builds and healer builds largely do rely on non-class skills.

SaltySudd wrote: »

I do not believe they were referring to Stamina Healer builds, but rather Stamina and Healer builds separately. The context was referring to making builds viable without a heavy reliance on non-class skills, but stamina builds and healer builds largely do rely on non-class skills.

This, to some degree this is justified, healers has the healing staff as an essential tool, without it you are an heal / DD hybrid.
Stamina players has bow and DW / 2H, magic DD only has the destro staff.
Warden can make decent stamina healers but don't see any reason all classes need to be able to do this.

I don't think they consider a stam healer a thing. Maybe a stam dd with a little support. They buffed vigor on previous pts so it was actually viable for stamina healing and nerfed it again. They gave us circle of preservation but it doesn't heal much, like aoe hot standard, like they do with spam skills. The warden stamina heal soothing spores doesn't even have nice buffs like magicka one. The lack of stamina purge is a pain.

I mean it is usable, especially on dungeons but not really on trials (vigor is your best heal and party doesn't really stay in that range, it's hard to heal them) and I'm not sure on pvp. But buffs didn't look like it was made to help stam healers in any way.

I tried a little stamina healing on this patch and it was enjoyable but also similar to trying to cut your food with a spoon. I guess they need much more love than anyone is ready to give them.

It is not justified, because they are talking of applying “play how you want” to both class and role - so resource should not be under consideration there.

They want each class to be able to do each role. They meet that without going further and adding “using either resource pool”.

Pick a class.... necro.
Pick a role... damage.
If that requires a person to focus stam, fine.

But it has to be achieved with class skills, and those add up. There’s only 5 skills in a skill line. Now try and cram mag and stam dps, mag and stam tank, mag and stam heal, into each class. AND have them roughly balanced with the other classes.

The result would be just as I predict... mag heal Templar would roughly balance with stam heal DK would roughly balance with stam heal NB would roughly balance with mag heal sorc... and so on. We would have class “identity” exactly as the devs defined it in that deep dive - they defined it as a *visual* thing. They defined it by being able to pick one out on the screen. They did NOT include anything functional.

The class functionality aspect was addressed in terms of “play as you want”.

Look at it this way... the spring indrik is very identifiable due to its visuals. It will not be mistaken for the onyx indrik nor will it be mistaken for the great elk. But underneath, the elk and the indrik are all perfectly balanced with each other, so they perfectly meet a “Ride how you want” type of goal while also fulfilling a “Mount Identity” type of goal through visual alone.

That’s what I see them describing in that deep dive, but for classes. Classes balanced with each other functionally, all viable in all roles, mag and stam builds as they appear to indicate in their section on play patterns. With the skin animations being the ‘power fantasy’ they talk of being the main class identifier.

It’s this simple - each class has 15 skills across their class lines. Out of those 15 unmorphed skills they want to pull a bar for each role tank/heal/dps. Because each class dps bar needs to be on balance with each other class dps bar for pvp balance purposes, each class dps skill is going to closely mirror each other corresponding class dps skill. There’s very little room for variability, they will echo each other. Especially if each morph has to carry the burden of providing a correspondingly balanced upgrade for each resource.

Is this a game where the classes are close echoes of each other, or not? I want character creation to be more than picking which skinned attack/heal animations get tacked onto a blank mannequin that functions the same as every other character, the difference being which visual effects blast across the screen.

I was suprised when I heard the suggestion that this refered to stamina healers when KristoferESO said it in his video on the the news post. I can't say that I interpret it the same way.

If they were talking about stamina healers then I don't think they would have said "Stamina choices and Healer builds". I think it would have said "Stamina Healer builds".

My interpretation was 1) some classes lack stamina skill choices and 2) some classes lack skills for healer builds.

If they got a sniper healer in Overwatch, we can get a bow healer in ESO.
I actually have no problem with a stamina healer but it has to make sense. A stamina healer would use no magic, meaning that they would be some sort of medical assistant putting bandages on people and making them drink potions... or injecting allies with arrows.

Stamina choices and Healer builds, and those cases

I read that as two separate issues. Stamina choices meaning Stamina morphs, and Healer builds meaning the collapse of civilisation as we know it the recent changes to healing skills.

ArchMikem wrote: »

I can imagine a Stamina Healer as an Alchemist chucking potions at people's heads.

I’d go for that

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/478766/thrown-poisons

You misread that.