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A lot of rude players in the community

  • Neoealth
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    People can deny it all they want but most human beings are actually genuinely disgusting.

    They are rude on the net because they can get away with it.

    Depends on how you personally define "rude"
    Some people find it rude when someone simply talks truth which is perceived as rude by the other person because it hurts their feelings. Say the same thing to another person and they just take it as constructive criticism.

    I've personally not encountered very rude behaviour in game in all my years playing. Just the odd idiot now and again who does or says silly things. Actually in most cases players have either been mutes who don't interact much or are the total opposite and are really helpful and friendly.
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    x4livin wrote: »
    Murkmire is the worst for just miserable, hateful people.

    Wow. I am in somewhat of a shock to see such rudeness on your part.

    I mean... seriously... you literally “bumped” a thread from a year ago! That is so utterly rude!!

    Man... some people are so rude. I just don’t get it :(

  • GhostofDatthaw
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    Guild depending, pvp can be more salty than often.its just the nature of competition, and there are very good people to play with and vs in PvP.. I just joined a rather nice and helpful pve guild btw

    Plus when has the anonymous platform not been a haven for the weak and angry
    Edited by GhostofDatthaw on September 26, 2019 8:30AM
  • FierceSam
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    Ran a bunch of PUGs yesterday. With my atrocious rubbish rotation Mag sorc.

    Met some great players and had a blast. Really enjoyable. One HM boss fight in particular was epic.

    There are loads of really great people playing this game. There are loads of fantastic guilds who will welcome you in.

    And it is a game... if you are unlucky enough to bump into a wrong’un, Ignore them, put it out of your mind and play on.

    Have fun..
  • Yuffie91
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    Coming from wow have not met many rude people here at all in the last 2 years!
  • Inaya
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    I've seen some trash talking in zone chat and I've also seen others calling them out for being a troll or rude but that is an exception rather than the rule.

    @Yuffie91 has it right. You want to hear rude and obnoxious, downright mean and insulting to newbs go play Wow. You can't even ask a question in zone or general chat without being demeaned.

    While you always have "that guy" I have the ESO community to be welcoming, helpful and friendly.
  • Bealeb319
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    Violynne wrote: »
    You know, I'd like to know where these people are, because I've not run across one single rude person in this game.

    Almost everyone I've spoken with or played with has been very helpful and nice.

    I'm not saying rude people don't exist, I'm sure they do, but I can't believe for one second the game is filled with them.

    So rather than harp one the few rude people, why not actually write a post about the many more nice people you've encountered.

    I'll put up a box of donuts there are many more friendly people than rude.

    Spend 10 minutes in cyrodil. Or on the pve side of things tell a pick up group to please wait because you need the quest.
  • DirkRavenclaw
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    Im just back from a 4 Month Hiatus. This first Week back, i had so many nice conversations with total Strangers, i wonder why i ever had a burnout. This Community is top. Yeah, you have the occasional troll or, insert Word of your choice but that is life, especially online Life. Yes, PVP can be rought, but its War. Ok, if AD would throw half of the Insults written in AD Chat towards the other Side, we prob would win more but come on, ESO as a whole is very nice
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  • BomblePants
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    People do seem ruder in general.... I’m lucky most people I’ve met in game have been lovely....

    This post brings to mind one of my fav quotes by Prince Nuada when talking about the humans.... ‘Proud, hollow empty things that you are.... greed has burned a hole in their hearts that will never be filled’..... Sadly that’s how I feel about most people.... (myself included)....
  • LadyNalcarya
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    Asardes wrote: »
    I didn't encounter obvious signs of "toxicity". Indeed some people do rather immature jokes, like sitting near a crowded place like a bank teller and throwing mud balls, or making fun of each other over the zone chat. I've also seen some people say rude things about certain ethnicities, but that's just things I move away from.

    I've encountered plenty of bad players in dungeons, in random groups over my first year, and that's the reason I don't run veteran content with random people anymore. I mean I've done the part of explaining strategies, pointing out mistakes in rotation and build that lead to low DPS, only for that to be ignored, and I've even been cursed by some of those players. And they weren't even new to the game, some had quite high CP, and were simply morons. As a result, when I do run with random groups, usually to farm some odd missing piece of gear on normal mode, I will only explain once, and if ignored and as a result the run fails, I either leave the group, or vote to kick the player who fails. If people don't listen and "play their way" thus causing the group to fail it's the right thing to do. There's nothing "elitist" about it, as there's nothing "elitist" by kicking someone from the soccer team when he keeps scoring own goals. Maybe some of the allegedly "toxic" and "elitist" players that you've encountered are really good people that have been simply fed up with failing again and again because team mates keep behaving badly. That tends to grind your patience quite a lot in the long term, to burn you out, and to actually degrade your gameplay.

    I've been trough that and there's a simple long term fix to insulate yourself from bad players that don't want to improve and hold you down, by finding a guild with good players, that help you improve, that make trial and dungeon runs enjoyable. Nowadays I only play group content in this game with friends and guild mates, and I'm far less tense and nervous than before. My gameplay has suffered because I ran with bad group. For example I tend towards somewhat selfish builds as tank, so I can heal myself at any time, I block-cancel my attacks as DD, cast Vigor every rotation instead of DPS skill and block/dodge a lot when there's a "red circle" because because I'm not used to being healed properly. As a result I can't really put up the amount of DPS as I otherwise would, and I cannot tank as well as other of my guild mates. It will take time to grow out of it. So yea, playing with bad players for a long time is what turns out to be "toxic".

    This. The worst experiences I've had in this game were related to bad players who were also really salty for some reason and wouldn't take any advice even if their actions cause wipes. I used to try to "teach and help" but it's true that people often just ignore you and in the worst case scenario you get hatemails. I've also noticed that new players are usually more willing to listen than max lvl light attack spammers.
    So-called "elitists" are usually much more chill than "I play as I want so stfu" types. There are some bad apples, sure, but that's the case with any community. Soo yeah, joining a guild is the best option to avoid negativity.
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  • KMarble
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    x4livin wrote: »
    Murkmire is the worst for just miserable, hateful people.

    One of the best experiences I've had in game so far was fighting a boss in Murkmire. I had a boss daily to do and put a call in zone chat asking for help.

    Two people replied, but for some reason I wasn't able to share the quest. I told them so and apologized for wasting their time. One of them left group, but the other person stayed. I asked for help in one of my guilds and another person joined the group. I couldn't share the quest with my fellow guild member either, but they too decided to stay and help.

    There were 3 or 4 people in total fighting this boss (Walks-like-thunder - the one whose health regenerates). The fight lasted longer than normal and at some point someone in my group suggested that we should wipe and ask for more people to come help. We killed the boss soon after that.

    It was an amazing fight, but what was even more amazing was that a complete stranger answered a call for help and decided to stay even after being told that I couldn't share the quest.
  • Cadbury
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    I've had some pretty nasty encounters in other games over the years, but i find ESO's community to be tame in comparison. The most hateful comments I've ever gotten was about my class being FOTM or cancer. Vast difference from racial slurs and death threats.
    "If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."
  • regime211
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    N2woR wrote: »
    I’ll always ask in chat if they know the mechanics of the harder boss fights and if not I can explain them, most never answer and the ones that do generally try to keep to my advice. There’s always a slight beautiful mess to it all but you have to give those players credit, the thing is I all ways think I sound preachy even though I’m generally trying to help. It’s text form and just the way it comes across

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  • redlink1979
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    Internet anonymity turns some people into jerks since they cannot be held accountable for their actions.

    Anonymous people are always very courageous...
    "Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"
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  • zaria
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    Yuffie91 wrote: »
    Coming from wow have not met many rude people here at all in the last 2 years!
    Yes, don't remember many rude players, had one back at launch :)
    Had some salty ones, has been salty myself a few times. This it then the one carrying the group trying to explain mechanic the way you will do to an 5 year old, like saying that area effect don't hurt friendly players so they are safe to use.

    If you are an ganker or bomber in PvP, well expect your foe to *** talk you.
    If you are bad in PvP this never happens.
    However if you try to pug an vet dlc dungeon with an fake tank or a <10K dps you might get it to.

    Edited by zaria on September 26, 2019 5:01PM
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
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  • Deathlord92
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    It has nothing to do with the community it’s just life in general you got the good people and the rude ones haha 😂
  • Dusk_Coven
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
    I once tried to help out a lowbie on his bow la spamming build when he qued into my vet scalecaller, he called me an elitist and said that high end players are toxic. Some lowbies take build critism badly

    This is true.

    People take great offense if you offer build help.

    This is a broader social phenomenon. People in general do not take any advice well if they are not already looking for it.
    That is why when you talk to your friends and offer advice often they have endless "it won't work because..." if they aren't outright upset at you.
    klowdy1 wrote: »
    The best experience I've ever had in an MMO is FF14. There are rewards given out after obtaining a certain number of commendations, which can be handed out (one per player) to anyone in your dungeon group
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    There is also a world chat made just for help. New players have one icon, and after doing a ton of different aspects of the game (assuring the player both knows what they are talking about, and is willing to help), players can be promoted to a higher rank, showing you are a willing mentor.

    I don't believe these are the actual reasons why the community is better there. I've been in the Mentor network and those Mentors can also be ***.

    What FFXIV has are intelligent people who handle complaints, including complaints about inappropriate chats. Unlike ESO, your ticket isn't first handled by a bot that spams you a prefab message. And they have maybe a 24-48hour turnaround time for a chat complaint. And they actually do something about it -- I've seen people talk about having received warnings and such.
    Edited by Dusk_Coven on September 26, 2019 7:42PM
  • SirAxen
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    Ohtimbar wrote: »
    briflexia wrote: »
    So I am sure not one to judge people at all but during my short time period on this game I have definitely ran into quit a few people who talk crap on low levels they play with and I just don’t understand why they do so, if you have such a problem with people why stay in a group with them and not just leave? Yes this is probably a stupid post but for such a beautiful game why do people still have to hate, I may never understand.

    It's all true. My ignore list is maxxed out.

    Meet one A-hole , it was a bad experience. Meet nothing but A-holes all day? IT's probably you.
    Edited by SirAxen on September 26, 2019 7:37PM
  • Blinkin8r
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    Most toxic players are hardcore Pvp or hardcore Pve. A majority of the playerbase is pretty cool but sometimes you'll get yourself a character.
    For example, the other day I died in PVP. Pretty common occurrence considering I'm a pretty squishy bomber. The dude messaged me saying I'm a pos zergling, that I just got exposed, and that he's gonna post it on social media.
    When encountering a player like this you have a couple options:
    1: Block and move on. That person has to wake up everyday, look in the mirror and see them self. That's bad enough.
    2: Troll them. This one is much more fun. Be nice, but get em worked up. You might just get them to cuss at you which means a 24 comms ban. o:)
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  • Drako_Ei
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
    I once tried to help out a lowbie on his bow la spamming build when he qued into my vet scalecaller, he called me an elitist and said that high end players are toxic. Some lowbies take build critism badly

    I did vBRF a few days ago as 80% of group dps, I told the guy that he needed to work on his rotation, and the same thing happened
  • xeha_arwen11
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    Yes, the following is long. There's a lot to cover.

    The massive amount of rampant toxicity and elitism from the players of this game is unbelievable. Mind you, I'm not talking about everyone. It's the majority, though. I don't throw around the term toxic or elitist lightly. If a max level wants to help someone out by giving constructive criticism about a low level person's build or something, then that's fine. But being vicious and mocking is not acceptable. Thinking you're better than someone because you're higher level, or thinking you know everything better and the lower level person is stupid and ignorant and should kiss your feet is elitist.

    Toxicity is everywhere. It has stained every aspect of this game. I am max level. Frankly I am ashamed to be max level because of the huge number of 810's who treat people terribly. If I queue for a normal dungeon to get a quick daily in or try to get some gear, most people who are lower level are too afraid to tell me they don't know the mechanics of the dungeon. They have been mocked and humiliated and yelled at and told they're worthless and far worse things I'm not allowed to say here lest I be banned for even mentioning it. Tons of people have told me this. One guy was telling me how he had been mocked and humiliated in every single dungeon he did that day.

    You know what I've seen MANY times? People apologizing for not being perfect or not knowing something. In a NORMAL dungeon. I have also had even max level people tell me that I should just kick them because they don't know the dungeon. In a NORMAL dungeon. The majority of people in this game are so toxic that they viciously humiliate and mock people who don't do things perfectly the first time. And Heaven forbid a person not know every single possible mechanic. People should not be acting rude and toxic like this in veteran dungeons either, but I mention the normal dungeon examples to highlight how truly toxic and ludicrous this is.

    It's not just max levels who are toxic, though. I've seen a ton of toxicity from people of all levels. It's definitely not something defined by level in that respect. Like someone said, when some max levels try to help lower levels in a nice way, they are met with malice. So believe me, I know toxicity is from people of all levels. Quite heavily.

    I'm even getting toxicity from simply just helping people. Someone in my guild was asking for help multiple times to kill a world boss. I went to go help him, and we died a couple of times. I was tired and was not in tanky gear and was forced to be tank. Anyway, we beat the boss after the third try, and he mocks me. I go out of my way to help someone and get mocking and vitriol from him in return. Unbelievable. Just stunning.

    In battlegrounds, I was doing deathmatch the other day. I don't do deathmatch much, but I did pretty mediocre. I got several kills and many assists, and so on. One team member took it upon themselves to say to our entire team: "Don't queue again." This team member also decided it was his job to mock us and order us around rudely. I don't care how well or how badly a person does. You don't tell them to not play the game. People have the right to play BGS, IC, PvE, PvP, or anything they want because they purchased this game and they have the right to have fun and do what they want to do.

    You might think perhaps that my entire team wouldn't have been belittled if we had been top players. You'd be wrong. I was first place in BGS land grab for several weeks. Things were worse at the top. I had people ordering me and everyone else around just as rudely, I had people telling me I was worthless and people would tell me and my pug teammates to kill ourselves on a regular basis. I had my own teammates do everything in their power to screw with me. They would stand right outside of the flag so they wouldn't contribute. I would be teabagged by teammates and the enemy alike. ALL. THE. TIME.

    One time, when I was doing land grab back then, I was in the middle of an intense match, and my teammate started screaming at me and telling me to quit and that I should die and no one would miss me. He went on and on for the entirety of the match. I keep everything muted now. I will never unmute. Toxicity is just worse now than it was even then.

    My most recent BGS deathmatch included lots of teabagging. One guy seemed to really despise me. He teabagged me for a full 19 seconds during the match; he almost got himself killed in the process. Toxicity at its finest.

    Zone chat is full of toxicity. I see people mocking others, telling them to shut up over nothing, and I see countless violations of the TOS. Nothing is done about it. When a bad earthquake happened and people were injured and some even died, someone let everyone know on zone chat. The response? Just one response. The person said, "No one gives a ****". This is ESO toxicity. It is all-encompassing. ESO is full of people who act heartless and vicious and just horrible.

    I've had guild members whisper me for support when they were devastated by someone being toxic to them. Real awful stuff. I would comfort them and tell them to ignore the person and let them know the awful stuff said to them was just bull. I've had this happen on a regular basis, as well.

    You may think running with guildies would be better. Nope.

    Recently, I had a guild member who disagreed with another about a simple issue. He was ganged up on by 15 guild members. All of them were attacking him and mocking him, they were calling him an idiot. They were saying he must have a terrible real life. They were insulting him in every way they could. All because he had a different opinion. He was then kicked from the guild.

    I have left many guilds due to extreme toxicity in them. I have seen many guildmasters and officers expect to be damn near worshipped. I have seen cult like behavior. I have seen just pure rudeness. And once again, I have had several of my friends say they were too nervous to even ask for help from their guild with something because they were scared of being attacked and mocked.

    I have seen so many incidents with guildies being cruel to one another. It's nonstop.

    Everyone treats everyone terribly in this game. I did a public dungeon the other day. I was running with someone. We got to a boss that we both needed for the conqueror achievement. I died getting to the boss since we were just trying to hurry up and get there. The guy I was running with decided to kill the boss right in front of me while I was rezzing. So I had to end up waiting forever for it to respawn. This happens all the time.

    People stealing other's nodes and chests. Just making the game unbearable to play. The design is bad for this, as well. It should be people working together, not a competitive environment where everyone is out to screw everyone else over. At least for non-PvP things. That's not fun. It's infuriating. I had another public dungeon where you had to work together to step on tiles. No one in my guilds would help, several people who came through the dungeon didn't want to take 5 seconds out of their day to help. One guy even stepped on one tile, looked at me, and then left. He did just enough to show me he knew how to help, but then he wouldn't finish the job so I couldn't beat the dungeon. Just being unbelievably rude.

    I could write 300 pages of toxic incidents that have occurred in PvP in the last 3 months alone. Most filled with really, really egregious things. I can't even mention them or I will be banned from the forums because of how horrible they are.

    Sheesh, the other day I was just getting an undaunted quest, and a person comes up to me and whispers me that he thinks I look disgusting. It's not a big incident, but it's just the toxic icing on a rotten cake.

    If these things were isolated incidents that didn't occur often, I wouldn't be writing this post. These types of toxic incidents occur ALL. THE. TIME. For me and for many, many other people who have told me their experiences. I'd say it happens about 90 percent of the time. I'm being generous.

    I am on PS4 NA.
    Get some game masters on or something. I've seen many leave due to toxicity. I barely ever read zone chat. I try to limit interactions with people to an absolute minimum so I can enjoy small parts of the game like quests, etc. But I'm tired. I'm at my limit. And the forums have a lot of toxicity as well, sadly. I just wanted to get the truth of the matter out. Things need to get better, or the game will lose more people.

    TL;DR
    Tons of toxic people and incidents about 90 percent of the time. Need game masters. Game will improve if action is taken and people act decently.
    Edited by xeha_arwen11 on September 26, 2019 10:21PM
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    Haven't encountered rude players but hey...I don't get out much.
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  • SeaGtGruff
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    SirAxen wrote: »
    Meet one A-hole , it was a bad experience. Meet nothing but A-holes all day? IT's probably you.

    Being an a-hole, or not, is a choice.

    Saying that if everyone you've met all day has chosen to be an a-hole toward you because it's you, and not them, sounds like victim blaming to me.

    Let's face it, there are a lot of a-holes in the world, as well as a lot of nice, friendly, helpful people. We tend to notice those people who stood out for one reason or other-- maybe they went out of their way to be nice, or maybe they went out of their way to be a-holes. And if we focus on the a-holes, it can be easy to lose sight of all the nice people who are right beside us.
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  • LadyNalcarya
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    TL;DR
    Tons of toxic people and incidents about 90 percent of the time. Need game masters. Game will improve if action is taken and people act decently.

    Hmm sounds like console community is significantly more toxic than PC. That's a shame, PC/EU ESO is one of the less toxic games I've played.
    The only thing on your list that often happens here is chest stealing.
    Edited by LadyNalcarya on September 27, 2019 10:04AM
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  • Cadbury
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    TL;DR
    Tons of toxic people and incidents about 90 percent of the time. Need game masters. Game will improve if action is taken and people act decently.

    Hmm sounds like console community is significantly more toxic than PC. That's a shame, PC/EU ESO is one of less toxic games I've played.
    The only thing on your list that often happens here is chest stealing.

    Console is always gonna have a more immature crowd. And I say this as a console player myself.
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  • Reistr_the_Unbroken
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    TL;DR
    Tons of toxic people and incidents about 90 percent of the time. Need game masters. Game will improve if action is taken and people act decently.

    As an Xbox player, reading this is why I have most stuff muted or not opened. I haven’t seen anyone being toxic yet, but I’m not going to dismiss the fact that there is. The last time I opened up a chat box was last year, mostly people selling items in chat, and one time I was whispered to by another player, we both joked about the bard in Summerset cause I had a bounty and refused to go out until it was gone so I was stuck with listening to the songs on loop lmao.

    Nowadays I rarely play, I just log in, get my daily and log out.
  • hasi
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    The other day I had some People insult me, because I fished in "their" Area.😆
    Edited by hasi on September 27, 2019 12:03PM
  • Asardes
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    Well there are some annoying things I encounter each, but I've gotten used to them for a long time or found stardard workarounds. For example:
    - people "sampling" nodes, but not taking anything from them, I then try to pick them up, end up with low level raw materials or getting stuff from them, but leaving "leftovers" there; sometimes this is odd since for example Mundane Rune that's more expensive than pretty much every other rune harvested from nodes except Kuta
    - people opening chests and leaving most of the content there, which delays respawn
    - sorcerers and wardens with pet out in town - matriarch or bear obscure NPCs, doors or writ turn in containers; some just take their time after turning in writs, rummaging trough their bag so the bear blocks the banker or 1-2 boxes for a whole minute
    - people who start a dungeon with you, say "hi" then sit AFK at the start, without any explanation; I usually kick within 2 minutes if they don't answer.
    - people who find me fighting a world boss solo, proceed to grab aggro from it, kite it to the end of its zone, where it resets to full health or simply far enough that it doesn't get hit by AoEs anymore and dies much slower; I enjoy seeing such people rekt by the boss while they run around like headless chickens
    - people grinding in quest areas and making some quests very hard to complete (ex. the bears and wolves in Auridon)
    - people begging for gold repeatedly in zone chat, or trough PM, although I don't know them: the later results them getting on the ignore list without further ado
    - people who see I've listed something in the guild store, but want a discount and try to convince me to sell at half price: workaround - same as above
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    vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor

    PC-EU CP 3000+
    41,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
    Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
    Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
    Valinor Overflow: Trader
    The Traveling Merchant: Silver


    Characters:
    Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
    Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
    Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

    PC-NA CP 1800+
    30,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Savage Blade: Majestic Machette


    Characters:
    Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |
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    Yes, the following is long. There's a lot to cover.

    That was a lot. I just wanted to say that my experience on NA PC has been completely different. There are mean and elitist people on that server, but they are the exception rather than the rule. I would say that maybe 1 in 10 people I've run with are jerks. The rest are either quiet, don't speak English, or they are friendly and helpful.

    I wonder if it is an age thing. I'd be willing to be that PC skews older in demographics compared to PS4. Not to say definitively that older = more mature (I've met plenty of immature 40 year olds), but there is a likely association.

    I belong to a guild with a pretty solid following, and we have an open guild bank. Everyone is cool about dropping stuff in there someone might need, and most people are up for a random normal when you want to go. If we group, and someone messes up and we wipe, we laugh about it, we apologize, and we move on.

    Some of the PVP and Trial guilds can get toxic, due to the pressure and competitive nature of those objectives. I understand why that happens, but I would not want to be in an environment where guildmasters have a leadership style grounded in inappropriately expressing personal anger and applying mockery in order to get people to do what they need to do. Certainly not every PVP and Trial guild is like that, and I've only heard stories. I have not personally experienced that.

    I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I find what you've stated here challenging to believe given my own experience in the PC community. The PS4 server doesn't seem like it could be that universally bad. All I can advise you is that you should probably find guilds that have the same approach to the game that you do, that has a leadership that exemplifies the style that works for you, and constrain your activities to those groups.And if those guilds don't exist, maybe start your own, establish positive expectations and rules of conduct, and recruit people you would want to play with. Perhaps you could set an example for everyone else.
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