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✭✭✭✭✭Starting to feel like OP has some special sauce that relies on the current behaviour of BRP and Asylum bows...
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✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »With everybody always phase-in showing numbers on something that stands still everyone takes. Damage as that's the damage that will always be applied sorry to say it is unrealistic to assume that something that stands still it's something that moves you will get the same amount of DPS from because you will not it's easy to do a rotation on a something that is still add movement in 90% in the rotation gets f*#ked off which then drops your DPS but yet when everybody looks at the stat sheets Define this stuff to be relevant like it's a full-time effect which makes everybody assumed that's what everybody's DPS is in Practical understanding of a fight which it is not this mini of rotations that get messed up by a single move of an ad so please stop posting stuff like it's relevant stop beating up on something standing steel it's not a challenge and with the development team please don't use them records throw them in the trash and stop basing are DPS off of them
"Its unrealistic to assume that something that stands still its something that moves will get you the same amount of dps"
- No one here thinks that.
"Its not as easy to do a rotation on something that moves"
- No one here disagrees with that
Please read carefully: The trial dummy exists to offer a standardized target for testing and comparison BETWEEN classes. What does that mean? Because everyone gets the same buffs and debuffs on the trial dummy, you can now ELIMINATE VARIABLES and get better comparisons of one class to another. This is the first purpose of the trial dummy parse.
The second purpose of the trial dummy parse is to show the DPS CEILING, or in other words, what is the max DPS a class can achieve under ideal testing circumstances. This helps to rank DPS classes, which is helpful because it tells end game players which classes are most likely to perform the best, but also shows zos which classes are lagging behind.
The third purpose of the trial dummy is to allow consistent testing of various skills and sets. Because buffs and debuffs are standardized, you can now swap in different skills and sets and see their effectiveness in terms of DPS. This helps establish builds and rotations.
So yes, dummy parses are absolutely relevant. Yes, we can draw many conclusions from dummy parses. And yes, to achieve within 3-5% of the maximum DPS a character can do DOES take skill. IF you disagree, please post your 103k+ parse on a stamcro to show you understand the skill and practice that goes into achieving that number on a dummy parse.
Thing is when development looks at DPS they look at the status sheets that are produced by that and assumed that's DPS the given person may understand that that is not actual DPS it's going to be applied during a fight development uses those statistics as that is what our DPS is there for dropping dps off of something that is unrealistically ever going to happen
But you know what I'm done with the forms here you guys keep on hoping your dummies and keep on destroying DPS thinking the *** you do on here is relevant because all you're doing is destroying the game by trying to show impractical stuff as being practical bow/bow set up with fucken Asylum and BRP you'll never get to hit x swap hit x swap for full buffs on anything outside your dummies
The devs said on live stream that they look at eso logs from actual trials fights while making balancing decisions, so nope you're completely wrong and ranting over nothing.
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OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »
no one just sick of an game ive invested 5 yesrs in and enjoyed playing always getting *** off due to miss information or want for god like dps tho it not whats attended by the game but everyone knows if you cry or buff an tooltip we'll get our way really sick of it play the game as attended and stop trying to break everything in the hunt for godhood
You do realize swearing is censored and makes you look like you are an infant right?
What you are doing that your dps matters? Are you score pushing vSS? Going for godslayer? If you are not doing that, then basic base game armor will give you enough DPS to complete everything. I mean, you look like you got turned down for vet content because you are trying to run a heavy amor bow/resto build or something.1 -
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✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »
no one just sick of an game ive invested 5 yesrs in and enjoyed playing always getting *** off due to miss information or want for god like dps tho it not whats attended by the game but everyone knows if you cry or buff an tooltip we'll get our way really sick of it play the game as attended and stop trying to break everything in the hunt for godhood
You do realize swearing is censored and makes you look like you are an infant right?
What you are doing that your dps matters? Are you score pushing vSS? Going for godslayer? If you are not doing that, then basic base game armor will give you enough DPS to complete everything. I mean, you look like you got turned down for vet content because you are trying to run a heavy amor bow/resto build or something.
LMAO heavy armor bow/resto build, I laugh but I've actually seen this.Jodynn PC NA
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✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »
no one just sick of an game ive invested 5 yesrs in and enjoyed playing always getting *** off due to miss information or want for god like dps tho it not whats attended by the game but everyone knows if you cry or buff an tooltip we'll get our way really sick of it play the game as attended and stop trying to break everything in the hunt for godhood
You do realize swearing is censored and makes you look like you are an infant right?
What you are doing that your dps matters? Are you score pushing vSS? Going for godslayer? If you are not doing that, then basic base game armor will give you enough DPS to complete everything. I mean, you look like you got turned down for vet content because you are trying to run a heavy amor bow/resto build or something.
Its nothing to do with what im trying to do , its that every aspect of this game is upside down due to everyone's hunt for godhood while destroying everything else in the game
See showing that something is working 50% of the time in an manner thats not attend aint going to get it fixed its going to get 1 if not both items nurffed to where they a lone wont be any good nor worth getting and VBRP/VAS+2 aint just something ran for fun the award loocked in them is tho
And since the add of dummies ESO has done more changes then beforehand, why because we didnt cry over an 3% different in damage from one class as to another why because we didnt see it now with add its always this to op this to weak and what do we get U23 AND U24 and the hopes that the game might be playable by U30
Sets cant even make it out of pts without everyone crying for change or they make yt video with unpractical setup with dummies and showcase that an set is to op but there not in real gameEdited by Nordic__Knights on September 25, 2019 7:44PM0 -
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✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »
no one just sick of an game ive invested 5 yesrs in and enjoyed playing always getting *** off due to miss information or want for god like dps tho it not whats attended by the game but everyone knows if you cry or buff an tooltip we'll get our way really sick of it play the game as attended and stop trying to break everything in the hunt for godhood
You do realize swearing is censored and makes you look like you are an infant right?
What you are doing that your dps matters? Are you score pushing vSS? Going for godslayer? If you are not doing that, then basic base game armor will give you enough DPS to complete everything. I mean, you look like you got turned down for vet content because you are trying to run a heavy amor bow/resto build or something.
Its nothing to do with what im trying to do , its that every aspect of this game is upside down due to everyone's hunt for godhood while destroying everything else in the game
See showing that something is working 50% of the time in an manner thats not attend aint going to get it fixed its going to get 1 if not both items nurffed to where they a lone wont be any good nor worth getting and VBRP/VAS+2 aint just something ran for fun the award loocked in them is tho
And since the add of dummies ESO has done more changes then beforehand, why because we didnt cry over an 3% different in damage from one class as to another why because we didnt see it now with add its always this to op this to weak and what do we get U23 AND U24 and the hopes that the game might be playable by U30
You see your own personal perspective without looking at others, you need to look at things you disagree with and understand their point of view before you start crying bloody murder, godhood accusations.
No one wants "godhood" we want balance, just some point only see what their class wants and screams "cloak is uncounterable" or "templars are too stronk" It all depends on what people see and feel, they can't see past their own experiences, you are no different in this case.
Stop assuming and try to grasp the entire situation, not just yours.Edited by Jodynn on September 25, 2019 7:45PMJodynn PC NA
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✭✭I always describe dummy tests as "you at your absolute best". If I do a 50k 3mil, then I expect lower in actual content. But it gives people an idea of what my highest is, therefore they can assume I will preform better in a actual fight compared to someone who did 30k 3mil.
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✭brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »
no one just sick of an game ive invested 5 yesrs in and enjoyed playing always getting *** off due to miss information or want for god like dps tho it not whats attended by the game but everyone knows if you cry or buff an tooltip we'll get our way really sick of it play the game as attended and stop trying to break everything in the hunt for godhood
You do realize swearing is censored and makes you look like you are an infant right?
What you are doing that your dps matters? Are you score pushing vSS? Going for godslayer? If you are not doing that, then basic base game armor will give you enough DPS to complete everything. I mean, you look like you got turned down for vet content because you are trying to run a heavy amor bow/resto build or something.
Its nothing to do with what im trying to do , its that every aspect of this game is upside down due to everyone's hunt for godhood while destroying everything else in the game
See showing that something is working 50% of the time in an manner thats not attend aint going to get it fixed its going to get 1 if not both items nurffed to where they a lone wont be any good nor worth getting and VBRP/VAS+2 aint just something ran for fun the award loocked in them is tho
And since the add of dummies ESO has done more changes then beforehand, why because we didnt cry over an 3% different in damage from one class as to another why because we didnt see it now with add its always this to op this to weak and what do we get U23 AND U24 and the hopes that the game might be playable by U30
You see your own personal perspective without looking at others, you need to look at things you disagree with and understand their point of view before you start crying bloody murder, godhood accusations.
No one wants "godhood" we want balance, just some point only see what their class wants and screams "cloak is uncounterable" or "templars are too stronk" It all depends on what people see and feel, they can't see past their own experiences, you are no different in this case.
Stop assuming and try to grasp the entire situation, not just yours.
My perspective is everybody whining and crying about this being Op or this being too weak all the time is what's hurting our game and being the target dummies are the ones that give that perspective to people it's easy to say that they're the cause of it on top of the fact that people use them in inappropriate ways to help back why they want something changed 90% of the time not even for their main class but one they have yet to learn to counter so instead of learning to play they come here and cry which hurts the game for everyone
Obviously your perspective is everybody doesn't try to do something to harm the game it's always for the better if that was the case we wouldn't be where we're atEdited by Nordic__Knights on September 25, 2019 8:06PM0 -
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✭I always describe dummy tests as "you at your absolute best". If I do a 50k 3mil, then I expect lower in actual content. But it gives people an idea of what my highest is, therefore they can assume I will preform better in a actual fight compared to someone who did 30k 3mil.
I don't think anyone takes dummy tests as a literal expectation of real combat DPS.
Yes amongst the player base you may be correct but when the development team starts looking at what people are crying this or that is to OP or to weak backed by dummy test done fair or unfair really dont matter to eso they destroy whatever it maybe without care that 85% of the players have L2P against it and its NOT to OP just that 15% wont put on an defensive skill because it would take 1 of their dps skills away and by no means should a dps have anything other then dps skills on barEdited by Nordic__Knights on September 25, 2019 8:41PM0 -
Nordic__Knights wrote: »With everybody always phase-in showing numbers on something that stands still everyone takes. Damage as that's the damage that will always be applied sorry to say it is unrealistic to assume that something that stands still it's something that moves you will get the same amount of DPS from because you will not it's easy to do a rotation on a something that is still add movement in 90% in the rotation gets f*#ked off which then drops your DPS but yet when everybody looks at the stat sheets Define this stuff to be relevant like it's a full-time effect which makes everybody assumed that's what everybody's DPS is in Practical understanding of a fight which it is not this mini of rotations that get messed up by a single move of an ad so please stop posting stuff like it's relevant stop beating up on something standing steel it's not a challenge and with the development team please don't use them records throw them in the trash and stop basing are DPS off of them
very daring theory. The dummies only show what is personally possible. People with high dps on dummy usually also do very good damage in raids. this is the job of a DD ... to work on the damage.
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✭xBananaFish wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »With everybody always phase-in showing numbers on something that stands still everyone takes. Damage as that's the damage that will always be applied sorry to say it is unrealistic to assume that something that stands still it's something that moves you will get the same amount of DPS from because you will not it's easy to do a rotation on a something that is still add movement in 90% in the rotation gets f*#ked off which then drops your DPS but yet when everybody looks at the stat sheets Define this stuff to be relevant like it's a full-time effect which makes everybody assumed that's what everybody's DPS is in Practical understanding of a fight which it is not this mini of rotations that get messed up by a single move of an ad so please stop posting stuff like it's relevant stop beating up on something standing steel it's not a challenge and with the development team please don't use them records throw them in the trash and stop basing are DPS off of them
very daring theory. The dummies only show what is personally possible. People with high dps on dummy usually also do very good damage in raids. this is the job of a DD ... to work on the damage.
bruce lee has not become a good martial artist because he has had envy debates, rather because he has trained
Its not that someone using the numbers for themselves or that it dont help learn an rotation its that there used to find the 3% difference in everything that is always reason for NURFS and its about time others understand that i mean why do you think for 1st few years change was small ? We didn't dummy hump everything as it came out looking for that 3% but now its every patch even pts nothing can drop whitout an dummy hump say this to OP this to weak its OLD AND BREAKING THE GAME WITH EACH CHANGEEdited by Nordic__Knights on September 25, 2019 9:23PM0 -
b95fister✭✭✭Well first off in the first years of the game we didn’t have dummies to jump. Second pc has always had comber metrics to show there humping ability. Third us console users humped spindle 1 because px told us it had exactly 3 mil health.
The problem with dummy humping versus actually game play is that this is the only mmo that actively tries to hide the team effort...a la recount for wow.
If everyone knows what they are doing in real time everyone can get better but eso and the world we live in is afraid to tell people that they are not that good.......
Edit example: if I was doing 5k dps and someone in my group was doing 50k I would ask them to help not berate them for being better...Edited by b95fister on September 25, 2019 9:29PM0 -
Guyle✭✭✭✭✭I haven't read the majority of this thread, and the initial post was a mouthful, but I do think something could be said about creating a standardized environment for a "ranged dummy". Like imagine a house specifically put out for the purposes of a new type of dummy, a ranged trial dummy similar to the iron atro, except that after a certain amount of time or dps done to it, it moves across the room. A ranged dps would see a much smaller reduction in dps then a melee build would, assuming they could actually code the dummy correctly. Or make a dummy that has some little dummies around the room, and after a certain amount of time or dps the main dummy goes into an invulnerable state, and the other little dummy buddies need to then be destroyed before the main dummy loses it's invulnerability. I think this would require a specific house that comes pre-furnished with said dummies, and could not be altered like traditional housing can be, and would be a lot of work by the devs to fine tune it to where it actually assists in demonstrating a class/build/setups ability to dps under more realistic trial scenarios. Would allow melee builds currently pulling 100k to see what a more realistic parse looks like when you don't just get to stand their and smack a dummy, then compare them to ranged, and understand why no one wants them for certain trials.
Anyways, it is just a half baked idea, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's been proposed before, but it sounds like a good thing to me. Any thoughts?Edited by Guyle on September 25, 2019 9:40PM0 -
I do not see the problem in the dummies. rather that everyone wants to have "the best class" for themselves. it should be indestructible in the pvp and handle as high as possible dps. woe another class is better in any way, already starts a discussion. the "nurfs" were not made by people who did 100k dps, but because one could play better with the "dot-mecha" than the others. I just remember the nightblade, the nerfs came through the pvp and not because they made the same dummy dps like other classes in wrathstone, for exampleEdited by xBananaFish on September 25, 2019 9:43PM1
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✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »I always describe dummy tests as "you at your absolute best". If I do a 50k 3mil, then I expect lower in actual content. But it gives people an idea of what my highest is, therefore they can assume I will preform better in a actual fight compared to someone who did 30k 3mil.
I don't think anyone takes dummy tests as a literal expectation of real combat DPS.
Yes amongst the player base you may be correct but when the development team starts looking at what people are crying this or that is to OP or to weak backed by dummy test done fair or unfair really dont matter to eso they destroy whatever it maybe without care that 85% of the players have L2P against it and its NOT to OP just that 15% wont put on an defensive skill because it would take 1 of their dps skills away and by no means should a dps have anything other then dps skills on bar
Have you considered that maybe the developers are not satisfied with the amount of DPS currently in the game. I will say first hand that I refuse to bring a healer to any 4 man challenge runs. Why waste an extra DPS slot when we can stack barrier and burn through mechanics. Yes it will slow down combat which I am not thrilled about, but if this is their vision then we can either adapt or quit playing. And for most people, regardless of the moaning, they will adapt and continue on.PvP needs more love.0 -
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✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »I always describe dummy tests as "you at your absolute best". If I do a 50k 3mil, then I expect lower in actual content. But it gives people an idea of what my highest is, therefore they can assume I will preform better in a actual fight compared to someone who did 30k 3mil.
I don't think anyone takes dummy tests as a literal expectation of real combat DPS.
Yes amongst the player base you may be correct but when the development team starts looking at what people are crying this or that is to OP or to weak backed by dummy test done fair or unfair really dont matter to eso they destroy whatever it maybe without care that 85% of the players have L2P against it and its NOT to OP just that 15% wont put on an defensive skill because it would take 1 of their dps skills away and by no means should a dps have anything other then dps skills on bar
The development team for sure has some tools that help them decide what to buff or nerf besides players complainsSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭Well first off in the first years of the game we didn’t have dummies to jump. Second pc has always had comber metrics to show there humping ability. Third us console users humped spindle 1 because px told us it had exactly 3 mil health.
The problem with dummy humping versus actually game play is that this is the only mmo that actively tries to hide the team effort...a la recount for wow.
If everyone knows what they are doing in real time everyone can get better but eso and the world we live in is afraid to tell people that they are not that good.......
Edit example: if I was doing 5k dps and someone in my group was doing 50k I would ask them to help not berate them for being better...
when i held test in spendle id spent hrs with some going over lil things set, rotation i helped a lot pull their dps up to lvl to run with groups enjoyed it to or id never spent hrs of my day at 1 boss talking to others hell i 1 guild ive ever been involved with had me do this job because i understood it better then most and enjoyed it at same time never have i been that guy doing 50k unwilling to help the next get to the same but now its the 3% chases and no one wants to give that top spot up to another class even at cost of crying for an nurf to keep their class ontop thing is ive always played all classes so i dont want 1 better then the other but guess what 1 will only be so ive always tried getting my 2nd and 3rd ect ect have 12 to be just as good as my #1 and for 5 years thats not been to hard to due - last 6 mouths or so but hardship aint keeping them up really its changing them so often that become hard as once you get them set up everything upside down again and reason everything is upside down the hunt for that 3% to fell like god over everyone else 😆0 -
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✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »I always describe dummy tests as "you at your absolute best". If I do a 50k 3mil, then I expect lower in actual content. But it gives people an idea of what my highest is, therefore they can assume I will preform better in a actual fight compared to someone who did 30k 3mil.
I don't think anyone takes dummy tests as a literal expectation of real combat DPS.
Yes amongst the player base you may be correct but when the development team starts looking at what people are crying this or that is to OP or to weak backed by dummy test done fair or unfair really dont matter to eso they destroy whatever it maybe without care that 85% of the players have L2P against it and its NOT to OP just that 15% wont put on an defensive skill because it would take 1 of their dps skills away and by no means should a dps have anything other then dps skills on bar
The development team for sure has some tools that help them decide what to buff or nerf besides players complains
Yes it's called ESO logs as well as they can look at the dummy slips are phase slips as they are called that are shown to them are placed on somewhere and who even knows if they really don't just go over the log of it itself because you know if ESO logs covers what you do inside of a trial it will also cover what you do inside of your house on a dummy
And if you think they don't why does the dummies calculate your damage for achievements? Just showed you that your dummies damage is calculated by their log!!!!!Edited by Nordic__Knights on September 25, 2019 10:31PM0 -
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We're all (most of us anyway) super frustrated right now, and I do genuinely sympathize with your frustration. I get it. A lot feels really wrong right now and there are a lot of weird changes being made in the game. I don't like it either. It seems like you're lashing out right now though. You're looking for something to pin your frustration on, and I don't think you're quite hitting the mark.PC/Xbox NA
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✭@Nordic__Knights
We're all (most of us anyway) super frustrated right now, and I do genuinely sympathize with your frustration. I get it. A lot feels really wrong right now and there are a lot of weird changes being made in the game. I don't like it either. It seems like you're lashing out right now though. You're looking for something to pin your frustration on, and I don't think you're quite hitting the mark.
no it that others dont even want to think that their actions as lil as it maybe on an dummy aint being used against US all but unfortunately i cant see that its not as since the dummies got added more and more changes have been made some to things asked for and some out the blue wonder where the out of the blue comes from dummy logs that no one thinks is being looked at ? Or eso just good at knowing that xxx is to good , been around for 5 years i wont go with last even if someone was going to pull the trigger because eso dont know *** unfortunately last two updates shows that point0 -
iam117✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »@Nordic__Knights
We're all (most of us anyway) super frustrated right now, and I do genuinely sympathize with your frustration. I get it. A lot feels really wrong right now and there are a lot of weird changes being made in the game. I don't like it either. It seems like you're lashing out right now though. You're looking for something to pin your frustration on, and I don't think you're quite hitting the mark.
no it that others dont even want to think that their actions as lil as it maybe on an dummy aint being used against US all but unfortunately i cant see that its not as since the dummies got added more and more changes have been made some to things asked for and some out the blue wonder where the out of the blue comes from dummy logs that no one thinks is being looked at ? Or eso just good at knowing that xxx is to good , been around for 5 years i wont go with last even if someone was going to pull the trigger because eso dont know *** unfortunately last two updates shows that point
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✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »@Nordic__Knights
We're all (most of us anyway) super frustrated right now, and I do genuinely sympathize with your frustration. I get it. A lot feels really wrong right now and there are a lot of weird changes being made in the game. I don't like it either. It seems like you're lashing out right now though. You're looking for something to pin your frustration on, and I don't think you're quite hitting the mark.
no it that others dont even want to think that their actions as lil as it maybe on an dummy aint being used against US all but unfortunately i cant see that its not as since the dummies got added more and more changes have been made some to things asked for and some out the blue wonder where the out of the blue comes from dummy logs that no one thinks is being looked at ? Or eso just good at knowing that xxx is to good , been around for 5 years i wont go with last even if someone was going to pull the trigger because eso dont know *** unfortunately last two updates shows that point
"balance" changes in eso have had a mad swing long before dummies came along
Wrong af 1st few years of game very few changes had been made most taking 9 moths or more to even get looked at now set comes out 1 patch next its in the drit with the rest of the stuff everyone was showcasing as good or crying to op so no change aint at the same rate by no means at allEdited by Nordic__Knights on September 25, 2019 10:52PM0 -
iam117✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »@Nordic__Knights
We're all (most of us anyway) super frustrated right now, and I do genuinely sympathize with your frustration. I get it. A lot feels really wrong right now and there are a lot of weird changes being made in the game. I don't like it either. It seems like you're lashing out right now though. You're looking for something to pin your frustration on, and I don't think you're quite hitting the mark.
no it that others dont even want to think that their actions as lil as it maybe on an dummy aint being used against US all but unfortunately i cant see that its not as since the dummies got added more and more changes have been made some to things asked for and some out the blue wonder where the out of the blue comes from dummy logs that no one thinks is being looked at ? Or eso just good at knowing that xxx is to good , been around for 5 years i wont go with last even if someone was going to pull the trigger because eso dont know *** unfortunately last two updates shows that point
"balance" changes in eso have had a mad swing long before dummies came along
Wrong af 1st few years of game very few changes had been made most taking 9 moths or more to even get looked at now set comes out 1 patch next its in the drit with the rest of the stuff everyone was showcasing as good or crying to op so no change aint at the same rate by no means at all
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✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »I always describe dummy tests as "you at your absolute best". If I do a 50k 3mil, then I expect lower in actual content. But it gives people an idea of what my highest is, therefore they can assume I will preform better in a actual fight compared to someone who did 30k 3mil.
I don't think anyone takes dummy tests as a literal expectation of real combat DPS.
Yes amongst the player base you may be correct but when the development team starts looking at what people are crying this or that is to OP or to weak backed by dummy test done fair or unfair really dont matter to eso they destroy whatever it maybe without care that 85% of the players have L2P against it and its NOT to OP just that 15% wont put on an defensive skill because it would take 1 of their dps skills away and by no means should a dps have anything other then dps skills on bar
The development team for sure has some tools that help them decide what to buff or nerf besides players complains
Yes it's called ESO logs as well as they can look at the dummy slips are phase slips as they are called that are shown to them are placed on somewhere and who even knows if they really don't just go over the log of it itself because you know if ESO logs covers what you do inside of a trial it will also cover what you do inside of your house on a dummy
And if you think they don't why does the dummies calculate your damage for achievements? Just showed you that your dummies damage is calculated by their log!!!!!
hmm, I doubt the use just one parameter. Otherwise they should have buffed all those unused spammables long time ago...
In fact and taken your reasoning as truth, what's the reason behing Dizzy nerf? I highly doubt it was overperforming on parses.
On the othe hand, where's the nerf on Elemental weapon? It grants, besides the extra dmg, almost 100% uptime status effect.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »@Nordic__Knights
We're all (most of us anyway) super frustrated right now, and I do genuinely sympathize with your frustration. I get it. A lot feels really wrong right now and there are a lot of weird changes being made in the game. I don't like it either. It seems like you're lashing out right now though. You're looking for something to pin your frustration on, and I don't think you're quite hitting the mark.
no it that others dont even want to think that their actions as lil as it maybe on an dummy aint being used against US all but unfortunately i cant see that its not as since the dummies got added more and more changes have been made some to things asked for and some out the blue wonder where the out of the blue comes from dummy logs that no one thinks is being looked at ? Or eso just good at knowing that xxx is to good , been around for 5 years i wont go with last even if someone was going to pull the trigger because eso dont know *** unfortunately last two updates shows that point
"balance" changes in eso have had a mad swing long before dummies came along
Wrong af 1st few years of game very few changes had been made most taking 9 moths or more to even get looked at now set comes out 1 patch next its in the drit with the rest of the stuff everyone was showcasing as good or crying to op so no change aint at the same rate by no means at all
The first few years of the game there were very few changes? you sure your talking about The Elder Scrolls Online?
yes been playing since release on ps4 and very few changes across the board got made and when something did get changed it had been being asked for for months if not longer now change happens with in weeks of getting dropped and most aint even asked for0 -
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✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »I always describe dummy tests as "you at your absolute best". If I do a 50k 3mil, then I expect lower in actual content. But it gives people an idea of what my highest is, therefore they can assume I will preform better in a actual fight compared to someone who did 30k 3mil.
I don't think anyone takes dummy tests as a literal expectation of real combat DPS.
Yes amongst the player base you may be correct but when the development team starts looking at what people are crying this or that is to OP or to weak backed by dummy test done fair or unfair really dont matter to eso they destroy whatever it maybe without care that 85% of the players have L2P against it and its NOT to OP just that 15% wont put on an defensive skill because it would take 1 of their dps skills away and by no means should a dps have anything other then dps skills on bar
The development team for sure has some tools that help them decide what to buff or nerf besides players complains
Yes it's called ESO logs as well as they can look at the dummy slips are phase slips as they are called that are shown to them are placed on somewhere and who even knows if they really don't just go over the log of it itself because you know if ESO logs covers what you do inside of a trial it will also cover what you do inside of your house on a dummy
And if you think they don't why does the dummies calculate your damage for achievements? Just showed you that your dummies damage is calculated by their log!!!!!
hmm, I doubt the use just one parameter. Otherwise they should have buffed all those unused spammables long time ago...
In fact and taken your reasoning as truth, what's the reason behing Dizzy nerf? I highly doubt it was overperforming on parses.
On the othe hand, where's the nerf on Elemental weapon? It grants, besides the extra dmg, almost 100% uptime status effect.
dont hold your breath their not done yet and dizzy came from their want to have counter play in pvp not anything to do with dps #s0 -
iam117✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »@Nordic__Knights
We're all (most of us anyway) super frustrated right now, and I do genuinely sympathize with your frustration. I get it. A lot feels really wrong right now and there are a lot of weird changes being made in the game. I don't like it either. It seems like you're lashing out right now though. You're looking for something to pin your frustration on, and I don't think you're quite hitting the mark.
no it that others dont even want to think that their actions as lil as it maybe on an dummy aint being used against US all but unfortunately i cant see that its not as since the dummies got added more and more changes have been made some to things asked for and some out the blue wonder where the out of the blue comes from dummy logs that no one thinks is being looked at ? Or eso just good at knowing that xxx is to good , been around for 5 years i wont go with last even if someone was going to pull the trigger because eso dont know *** unfortunately last two updates shows that point
"balance" changes in eso have had a mad swing long before dummies came along
Wrong af 1st few years of game very few changes had been made most taking 9 moths or more to even get looked at now set comes out 1 patch next its in the drit with the rest of the stuff everyone was showcasing as good or crying to op so no change aint at the same rate by no means at all
The first few years of the game there were very few changes? you sure your talking about The Elder Scrolls Online?
yes been playing since release on ps4 and very few changes across the board got made and when something did get changed it had been being asked for for months if not longer now change happens with in weeks of getting dropped and most aint even asked for
by that time the game had already had 15 months of MASSIVE changes, not only to the game/pay model but to the mechanics and gameplay as well<Liv3mind><PC/NA - Legion Of The Bloodworks>Snowflake Patrol0 -
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✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »@Nordic__Knights
We're all (most of us anyway) super frustrated right now, and I do genuinely sympathize with your frustration. I get it. A lot feels really wrong right now and there are a lot of weird changes being made in the game. I don't like it either. It seems like you're lashing out right now though. You're looking for something to pin your frustration on, and I don't think you're quite hitting the mark.
no it that others dont even want to think that their actions as lil as it maybe on an dummy aint being used against US all but unfortunately i cant see that its not as since the dummies got added more and more changes have been made some to things asked for and some out the blue wonder where the out of the blue comes from dummy logs that no one thinks is being looked at ? Or eso just good at knowing that xxx is to good , been around for 5 years i wont go with last even if someone was going to pull the trigger because eso dont know *** unfortunately last two updates shows that point
"balance" changes in eso have had a mad swing long before dummies came along
Wrong af 1st few years of game very few changes had been made most taking 9 moths or more to even get looked at now set comes out 1 patch next its in the drit with the rest of the stuff everyone was showcasing as good or crying to op so no change aint at the same rate by no means at all
The first few years of the game there were very few changes? you sure your talking about The Elder Scrolls Online?
yes been playing since release on ps4 and very few changes across the board got made and when something did get changed it had been being asked for for months if not longer now change happens with in weeks of getting dropped and most aint even asked for
by that time the game had already had 15 months of MASSIVE changes, not only to the game/pay model but to the mechanics and gameplay as well
thats what happens at beta of any game pc releases was the stepping stone yes it seen v12 to v14 change seen the add of crag and alot of other things because it was an WORK in progress up till it released onto console but once BETA was done changes to GAME was far and in betweenEdited by Nordic__Knights on September 25, 2019 11:49PM0
