Maintenance for the week of April 6:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 6
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 6
Give us more heavy armor magika sets!
Centurionax
✭✭✭
There is only one decent heavy armor set for magika and thats rattlecage, why are there so many heavy armor based stam sets and no magika sets, since the heavy armor passives are good for both?
9
-
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd argue that Rattlecage isn't decent. There are a number of mag focused crafted sets, which can be produced in heavy armor.
There's also Elf Bane, Soulshine, Ice Furnace, Thunderbug, and Wyrd Tree, though I'd hesitate to call any of those legitimately good. Elf Bane and Soulshine have uses. The rest, less so.5 -
Epicasballs✭✭✭✭Magic plays at range to be most effective typically so the extra armor isn't required since you're not unnder as much pressure as melee builds.
Melee takes hits from melee AND ranged. Ranged takes hits only from range. Magic skills cost 30% more than stam skills so the sustain penalty for being in heavy hits mag much harder than stam.
You can add plenty of bulk to light armor via jewelry traits and mundus choice. I don't believe heavy mag sets need to be a thing. You can also craft sets in heavy if you really want to go that route.2 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I like this idea if they're in rare styles, so that they have more potential value if broken down. Otherwise, DPS heavy armor is of no value to me, as I don't like PvP.0 -
Centurionax✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »I'd argue that Rattlecage isn't decent. There are a number of mag focused crafted sets, which can be produced in heavy armor.
There's also Elf Bane, Soulshine, Ice Furnace, Thunderbug, and Wyrd Tree, though I'd hesitate to call any of those legitimately good. Elf Bane and Soulshine have uses. The rest, less so.
Yes i agree with you but im talking about non craftet sets, and yes elf bane could be usefull on a mag dk with zaan but there are many better options and yes i used soulshine on magplar but there are also better options since the only ultimate is soul asault wich sucks tbh
And you could go inate axiom instead of soulshine and dont care about the 50sell dmg loose1 -
Centurionax✭✭✭Epicasballs wrote: »Magic plays at range to be most effective typically so the extra armor isn't required since you're not unnder as much pressure as melee builds.
Melee takes hits from melee AND ranged. Ranged takes hits only from range. Magic skills cost 30% more than stam skills so the sustain penalty for being in heavy hits mag much harder than stam.
You can add plenty of bulk to light armor via jewelry traits and mundus choice. I don't believe heavy mag sets need to be a thing. You can also craft sets in heavy if you really want to go that route.
yes but there are also many magika meele builds in pvp like magplars magdks magwardens magnecros and you can also go magnightblade, they all have to go light and miss alot of healing power3 -
Centurionax✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »I like this idea if they're in rare styles, so that they have more potential value if broken down. Otherwise, DPS heavy armor is of no value to me, as I don't like PvP.
jh this is from a pvp perspective1 -
Epicasballs✭✭✭✭Centurionax wrote: »Epicasballs wrote: »Magic plays at range to be most effective typically so the extra armor isn't required since you're not unnder as much pressure as melee builds.
Melee takes hits from melee AND ranged. Ranged takes hits only from range. Magic skills cost 30% more than stam skills so the sustain penalty for being in heavy hits mag much harder than stam.
You can add plenty of bulk to light armor via jewelry traits and mundus choice. I don't believe heavy mag sets need to be a thing. You can also craft sets in heavy if you really want to go that route.
yes but there are also many magika meele builds in pvp like magplars magdks magwardens magnecros and you can also go magnightblade, they all have to go light and miss alot of healing power
DKs have Elfbane. Magplars have Soulshine. You can craft Julianos, New Moon when it drops, Shacklebreaker...
Imagine being magplar and complaining about healing power...
Change your jewelry to protective or take resistance mundus or both. You'll be more tanky in light than heavy with better damage, sustain and heals.3 -
Epicasballs✭✭✭✭Or try buffer of the swift armor... that set is real good. Maybe less so next update but it's won me fights I might otherwise have lost this uodate. Also lowkey... Bloodspawn is OP even on mag.1
-
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Centurionax wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »I like this idea if they're in rare styles, so that they have more potential value if broken down. Otherwise, DPS heavy armor is of no value to me, as I don't like PvP.
jh this is from a pvp perspective
Yeah, then you've already got some good options. Rattle's only good if you're running on a Templar or Necro, by the way, you can get the 5pc bonus in class on everyone else, and can get it on a ranged spam regardless.
If this is PvP, then stuff like Black Rose, Heartland, Pariah, and Durok's start to look a lot more appealing. You've got options, but you're not going to need to stack raw damage on your heavy set, you can boost survival with that, then do stupid stuff with your weapons and jewelry.0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Also Seducer hasn't been mentioned yet. If you play Battlegrounds and/or no-CP Cyrodiil, this set is a blessing.1 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Epicasballs wrote: »Magic plays at range to be most effective typically so the extra armor isn't required since you're not unnder as much pressure as melee builds.
Melee takes hits from melee AND ranged. Ranged takes hits only from range. Magic skills cost 30% more than stam skills so the sustain penalty for being in heavy hits mag much harder than stam.
You can add plenty of bulk to light armor via jewelry traits and mundus choice. I don't believe heavy mag sets need to be a thing. You can also craft sets in heavy if you really want to go that route.
No.
mDKs, magplars and melee mageblades disagree.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique5 -
ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »I'd argue that Rattlecage isn't decent.
It can be decent. MagDK's can make good use of it. Allows them to use tripots without having to slot molten armaments/entropy. I believe it's one of Nirnstorm's main sets and his results speak for themselves.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Epicasballs wrote: »Centurionax wrote: »Epicasballs wrote: »Magic plays at range to be most effective typically so the extra armor isn't required since you're not unnder as much pressure as melee builds.
Melee takes hits from melee AND ranged. Ranged takes hits only from range. Magic skills cost 30% more than stam skills so the sustain penalty for being in heavy hits mag much harder than stam.
You can add plenty of bulk to light armor via jewelry traits and mundus choice. I don't believe heavy mag sets need to be a thing. You can also craft sets in heavy if you really want to go that route.
yes but there are also many magika meele builds in pvp like magplars magdks magwardens magnecros and you can also go magnightblade, they all have to go light and miss alot of healing power
DKs have Elfbane. Magplars have Soulshine. You can craft Julianos, New Moon when it drops, Shacklebreaker...
Imagine being magplar and complaining about healing power...
Change your jewelry to protective or take resistance mundus or both. You'll be more tanky in light than heavy with better damage, sustain and heals.
Elfbane is the worst magicka HA set for mDK. Wyrd Tree, ADG, Black Rose, Livewire, Shalk, and Thunderpug are much better.
Elfbane only increases your dmg in one tick, that's easily purged.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »desert rose would be cool as a heavy...
Why is it, every time someone says, "I wish Desert Rose was heavy," I immediately think, "but, I thought Black Rose WAS heavy?" Why can't I seem to remember these are different sets?0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »desert rose would be cool as a heavy...
Why is it, every time someone says, "I wish Desert Rose was heavy," I immediately think, "but, I thought Black Rose WAS heavy?" Why can't I seem to remember these are different sets?
Though it was a nice combo back in the daySarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ketsparrowhawk wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »I'd argue that Rattlecage isn't decent.
It can be decent. MagDK's can make good use of it. Allows them to use tripots without having to slot molten armaments/entropy. I believe it's one of Nirnstorm's main sets and his results speak for themselves.
Glad someone's getting use out of it. All I've ever managed to do is make my Templar Tank marginally less annoying to clear forced solo content with. Gotta get all those skill points with 5k DPS. Ugh.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ketsparrowhawk wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »I'd argue that Rattlecage isn't decent.
It can be decent. MagDK's can make good use of it. Allows them to use tripots without having to slot molten armaments/entropy. I believe it's one of Nirnstorm's main sets and his results speak for themselves.
and missing the chance of extra dmg on full heavy resto, that also makes you recover a big chunk of magicka?
There are better sets for DKs.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
✭
Uhhhh... you do realize that gapclosers are a thing in PvP, do you?Epicasballs wrote: »Melee takes hits from melee AND ranged. Ranged takes hits only from range. Magic skills cost 30% more than stam skills so the sustain penalty for being in heavy hits mag much harder than stam.
There's absolutely no way that you are playing a true ranged spec in Cyro and only taking damage from ranged users... unless you are either zerging, or pew pew-ing while standing on keep walls.
And even in PvE, there are plenty of boss mechanics that hit players staying at range - including some mechanics which explicitly punish being too far away from bosses; in some of those cases "too far" means "outside melee range".6 -
Animus-ESO✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »ketsparrowhawk wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »I'd argue that Rattlecage isn't decent.
It can be decent. MagDK's can make good use of it. Allows them to use tripots without having to slot molten armaments/entropy. I believe it's one of Nirnstorm's main sets and his results speak for themselves.
Glad someone's getting use out of it. All I've ever managed to do is make my Templar Tank marginally less annoying to clear forced solo content with. Gotta get all those skill points with 5k DPS. Ugh.
I've been wearing rattlecage jewelry and light armor for years on my mag templar. Pair that with spinners and I've been 1vxing all sorts of kids. I've also came 2nd in a few dueling tournaments against some of the best players in the game. Rattle cage is a massively under rated set. Check out some of my Pvp vids in my profiles posts.Dude Where's My Guar?1 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭Shalk exoskeleton sounds also pretty nasty if paired with balorgh tbf
Xbox-EU-AD
Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »Shalk exoskeleton sounds also pretty nasty if paired with balorgh tbf
Shalk is a set that aspires to disappoint. It sounds fantastic, the reality is less so.2 -
ChefZero✭✭✭✭Don't understand why people discussing this here.
1. With the next update there are enough magicka sets available in heavy.
2. It doesn't matter anyway because only a few build's can utilize heavy armour passives well (especially max health and health reg). For mitigation it makes actually no sense to stick with heavy because you need crit res and mitigation buffs.PC EU - DC only0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »At least ones with Magicka regen.
remember ice staff tanking is a thing now.
Fair point. There are a few, including Dragonguard which have Mag Recovery baked in. For tanking, that's a very solid option.0 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »Shalk exoskeleton sounds also pretty nasty if paired with balorgh tbf
Shalk is a set that aspires to disappoint. It sounds fantastic, the reality is less so.
I loved it on magblade testing on magsorc soon.
Xbox-EU-AD
Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.0 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭Just tossing around ideas for monster sets to combine it with. Balorgh for super high damage or
Bloidspawn for stupid high ult regen and resistances
Mighty chudan for raw resistances and health
Ideas?
Xbox-EU-AD
Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.0
