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Mounts nerfed to the ground. Literally unplayable!
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sindalstar✭✭✭Thank you to the people.actually bothering to test it.
It sounds like a nice change.
Less actual stamina usage in exchange for the removal of a bug disguised as a feature. Sounds like how things should have been.
I love it when games make logical changes. There should never have been a situation where a atat gets ignored becuase a 'feature' lets you entirely ignore it. That's not good design.Edited by sindalstar on September 23, 2019 7:15AM2 -
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Zos dis say it was a bug toughSaril_Durzam wrote: »Its a fix but came too late, people used to it for years...
It will make travelling less desirable, so players doing overland will find it less pleasurable.
Still, with 60 stamina is not such an issue.
It's not a fix because it wasn't a bug. Mounts were designed to continue sprinting after running out of Stamina:
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/1019ZOS wrote:Yes, horses can sprint indefinitely without consuming stamina. That said, stamina is still valuable for two other reasons: It protects you from being dismounted when attacked, and if you rapidly press the sprint key you will get big boosts of speed on your mount (but at a much higher stamina cost). Of note, only horse mounts have the endless sprint trait. Other upcoming mount types will have different special traits.
This is about as anti-QOL you can get. It's a terrible, terrible, terrible change.0 -
Austinseph1✭✭✭✭✭Centurionax wrote: »Austinseph1 wrote: »Just tried it, it runs out really slow and refills in a few seconds. Literally no problem at all and it actually makes sense as a stamina bar.
yes it makes sense for a stamina bar but did you ever asked your self why your charakter nerve has tho poop?
Right its a video game, things like that are just anoying
My characters poops... yours doesn’t? Sounds like a personal problem. Sounds like most people haven’t actually tested it because unless you sprint from one end of Cyrodiil to the other you won’t run out and stamina won’t be a useless mount attribute. If running out of stamina causes you to sprint it is a logical way to make mounts. Honestly when I first started playing the current mount stam bar made no sense so it will actually mean something to upgrade now. But seriously get some exlax if you haven’t pooped in 5 years, that’s weird bro.0 -
Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭Players: Performance is trash.
Zos : *Changes something*
Players: "Why did you do that?"
Zos: "Performance"
Players: *Insert dead meme surprised face*Edited by Elwendryll on October 12, 2019 4:02PMPC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
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DarkGottbeard✭✭✭Don't worry, I'm sure someone will make an auto-sprint sister add on to rapid assist that just always sprints when available. Then you can go back to not thinking again. They aren't illegal macros, they are convenient and perfectly legal quality of life assist add ons.2
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Blaqmagik✭✭✭Can we please just get mount training shared across accounts? I mean CP is shared, gear can be shared, spending 180 days per toon just for mount training is kind of ridiculous.9 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Tbh this is hardly an issue on maxed out horses. My only concern is it screws over new players and players on new chars.
Usually you prioritise speed, knowing that you can sprint on 0 stam at risk of getting knocked over. Now you hav eto equally invest in stamina and speed and will take twice as long to have a usable horse. From a couple of months up to 4.EU | PC | AD0 -
Joosef_Kivikilpi✭✭✭✭I actually think it is a sneak performance enhancement. It will limit the number of groups who can arrive at a keep defense or capture in time, which should lower the amount of lag and strain on the server.
I thought you meant about sneak performance the ability to pick stragglers off from the group on my Nightblade that moves at 200% speed while invisible... Lolz silly me 😅0 -
Hahaha good one, always quick to blame pvp..How bout noGallantGuardian wrote: »I take it this was a pvp issue....
Anyway for this to only effect pvp phase ?
Like Earthgore wasn't abused in pvp...0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Low level mounts are going to suck. Any chance we can get a permanent sale on Stamina riding lessons?
Its also a huge disadvantage for new players in Cyrodiil who may not have maxed their mount's stamina.
there's a star in the Tower constelation that should be moved from 120 points to 75 pointsSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
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✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »
Zos dis say it was a bug toughSaril_Durzam wrote: »Its a fix but came too late, people used to it for years...
It will make travelling less desirable, so players doing overland will find it less pleasurable.
Still, with 60 stamina is not such an issue.
It's not a fix because it wasn't a bug. Mounts were designed to continue sprinting after running out of Stamina:
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/1019ZOS wrote:Yes, horses can sprint indefinitely without consuming stamina. That said, stamina is still valuable for two other reasons: It protects you from being dismounted when attacked, and if you rapidly press the sprint key you will get big boosts of speed on your mount (but at a much higher stamina cost). Of note, only horse mounts have the endless sprint trait. Other upcoming mount types will have different special traits.
This is about as anti-QOL you can get. It's a terrible, terrible, terrible change.
They said weaving was a bug at the beginning...Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
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✭ZOS better delivers on the performance improvement with this.PC/DC/NAserver
V16 sorc - V16 temp - V16 dk - V1 nb - V1 temp - V1 dk1 -
Dreyloch✭✭✭✭✭It was a design feature, not a bug.
But as usual, the PvE crowd has to suffer because of PvP.
I think I'll play Dragonhold to finish the storyline, then I'm out of here. ZoS really needs to sort their act out...
WHoooaaaaa there NELLY!! Don't go blaming this on PvP. Players didn't design Cyrodiil to be so freakin huge. Take that blame straight to the Devs."The fear of Death, is often worse than death itself"1 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand how you still ask ZOS bring back mount bug
That's a bug damn and it got fixed after many years
Stop bug exploiting or go play Fallout 76, there are plenty of Bugs you can exploit0 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I’ve given up on reasoning with these mean QoL nerfs. I don’t have the energy, time or nerves for it anymore. They want a slow crap game? Bless their souls, they can have it.
It’s just all so pointless.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?2 -
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✭✭✭✭I'm glad that mount sprint bug is fixed. I tried it on PTS, seems good.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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✭✭It's not lifelike. In RL when your horse runs out of stamina you just keep the same pace, of course it dies at some point. Maybe we should include that? If you keep trying to sprint your mount keels over and is gone forever and time to visit the crown store for another one?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GallantGuardian wrote: »I take it this was a pvp issue....
Anyway for this to only effect pvp phase ?
Server performance issue. Considering that combat is where servers get bogged down most in PvP and mounts cannot be used in combat it would be an overall server performance issue IMHO>0 -
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✭✭So, normally I'm the first one to start shaking my fist in the air over the many wildly unnecessary nerfs in this game, but this is a bit ridiculous to get upset over. What are you all even on about? This is an actual, legit bug fix and the skill will soon be working as intended. I know it's a pain in the butt to level up riding on new toons, but with all of the free crates that can give riding level ups and free riding level ups you get while leveling a toon, it goes up rather quickly, and you're not meant to be a full powered rider the moment you create a new toon. You're supposed to either progress it, or pay for it (I know, I know...different issue though). Just throw enough points into the proper CP tree to get War Mount while you're leveling up, and relax.PC/Xbox NA
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stevenyaub16_ESO✭✭✭✭Whine threads like this is probably why ZOS don't read these threads for feedback.
Much thanks.0 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭GallantGuardian wrote: »I take it this was a pvp issue....
No, it wasn't an issue anywhere. No one will benefit from this.
" * IMMERSION * "0 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Still, with 60 stamina is not such an issue.
Never trained Stamina on any of my characters, because it wasn't needed.
Well that's your fault...1 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Low level mounts are going to suck. Any chance we can get a permanent sale on Stamina riding lessons?
Its also a huge disadvantage for new players in Cyrodiil who may not have maxed their mount's stamina.
Believe me, new players have other more impactful disadvantages than a horse lol hahaha1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »
Zos dis say it was a bug toughSaril_Durzam wrote: »Its a fix but came too late, people used to it for years...
It will make travelling less desirable, so players doing overland will find it less pleasurable.
Still, with 60 stamina is not such an issue.
It's not a fix because it wasn't a bug. Mounts were designed to continue sprinting after running out of Stamina:
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/1019ZOS wrote:Yes, horses can sprint indefinitely without consuming stamina. That said, stamina is still valuable for two other reasons: It protects you from being dismounted when attacked, and if you rapidly press the sprint key you will get big boosts of speed on your mount (but at a much higher stamina cost). Of note, only horse mounts have the endless sprint trait. Other upcoming mount types will have different special traits.
This is about as anti-QOL you can get. It's a terrible, terrible, terrible change.
Did you follow the link I posted? In 2014 they described it as a feature. Not only on the Official ESO homepage, but in the forums as well.
I presume they are positioning it as a bug fix because most of the current audience wasn't around in 2014 and it sounds better to say bug fix rather than pointless nerf. I'm guessing the actual bug is the removal of this feature when they changed how sprinting works and they probably don't have time to fix it before the update is scheduled to go live.
Based on the video that was posted, this is going to really suck in Cyrodiil. Sometimes players, especially completely solo players and organized groups, travel long distances.
Has ZOS given us a better explanation about why they're doing this?
They nerfed another mount function without explanation a couple of years ago. We used to be able to tap the sprint key while mounted to gain an extra speed boost at the cost of greater stamina consumption. And they probably wonder why some of us have trust issues.Edited by zyk on September 30, 2019 6:26AM1 -
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✭Can we please just get mount training shared across accounts? I mean CP is shared, gear can be shared, spending 180 days per toon just for mount training is kind of ridiculous.
Rediculous timers and grindy content like this are required in a "pay for conveniance" monetization model. So account wide unlock has litle to no chance.1
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