would be so nice if s/b was a viable frontbar option again. This game works the best when we have multiple build choices, and at the moment the only sane choice for stamina players is dizzy swing. We had build options in the past with trade offs that made most combinations meaningful. On top of that ransack had in my opinion the most satisfying animation/gameplay in the game.

The solution isn't however to nerf dizzy to the ground until it rests in the graveyard with ransack and heroic old spamables, but to buff alternative spamables /playstyles , so that we actually have build choices again.

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Making a shield ability as spammable was bad.
They should swap Puncture effects with Slam.

Yeah it feels cartoony bashing someone was a shield frequently.

Although honestly the whole SnB skillset needs an animation overhaul in my opinion.

When using Puncture, why do I stab them with my hammer? For Axes and Maces, it should be an overhead chop using the weight of the weapon to puncture.

Heroic Slash sounds pretty cool... so why is it the most unheroic thing you can do? Bend down and whack your opponents toe?

Even using Defensive Posture looks silly... are we pretending to be a 'Naruto' character or something?

Zos logic

I honestly do not get you guys. The animations are fine. They feel great. Are we playing completely different games or something?

What is fine about using your shield to dmg your enemy when you have a sword?

Is that how you would develop a video game knight?
Deal dmg with your shield and every now and then use your sword to lower your enemies armor?

you are carrying a heavy wood and steel wall on your arm, off course it is going to hurt when you bash someone with it. if you want to do damage with the sword, use DW or 2H. how would you "develop a video game knight"?, whatever that means, when you are explicitly trying to use a defensive, in terms of in game play, skill set, for offensive task. and the fact that the developers of the game understand that people would want this, people doing damage with a defensive skill set, by way of the fact that ZoS put power bash and deep slash in the kit, you are still not satisfied.

Why do people have to argue for the sake of argueing?
Why not go captain america then and frisbee it?
Shrouded daggers style

Social dominance. Its not about being right, it's about winning.

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Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.

Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo

Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.

Yes I used it. Nobody uses power slam, only tank plebs who can’t even deal dmg to you, deep slash + bash cancel - now the best spammable from snb, but only class who can run this without dmg lost is DK, cuz of good sustain. They can take minor protection back and move it pierce armor morph. Ransack like spammable and pierce armor like debuff skill. And with bash cancel it will cost u like 2300, so it’s ok imo

Deep slash does little damage, and that doesn't change for DKs. It is categorized as a debuff skill, not a spammable, like puncture.

ZoS has tried to move away from giving spammables major debuffs or defensive buffs, hence the changes.

deep slash does the same damage as steel tornado, so, not little damage, it is a great aoe spammable. not single target good, like power bash, but still pretty high. unlike heroic slash, which is in the category you are talking about.

Steel tornado and deep slash deal about 25% less damage than single target spammables. That is considerably less damage, and is not "great." Yes, heroic slash deals less, but true spammables deal more damage and are balanced as such. I don't agree with everything ZoS is doing, but the differences set between true spammables, aoe, and buff/debuff skills are sound.

notice, i said "aoe spammable". not single target spammable. they both are spammable but you use one with more than one target(deep slash) and the other with only one target(power bash). they are both "true spammables" just one is aoe and the other is single target. not sure what you are not getting here. deep slash and heroic slash are for different things as well, deep slash is a aoe spammable damage skill and heroic slash is a tank buff/debuff skill. their damage reflects that. again, not sure what you are trying to get at. there are 2 categories for spammable in the game, aoe and single target. and i mention this in my last post you replied too. do you really think steel tornado's damage is "not great"?

In my definition, a true spammable is single target direct damage, I should have clarified that sooner.

AoE and buff/debuff skills aren't meant to be used against a single target for dps, although they can be.

I do not think that steel tornado deals good damage for its cost single target. Only in AoE situations does its damage and cost become beneficial compared to a single target.

With all of that behind us, I am still of the opinion that puncture should not deal respectable dps under ZoS new standards.

with the bold we agree.

thank you for proving my point through, that no one cares about aoe. the fact is though, there are 4 categories of damage in this game, single target direct damage, aoe direct damage, single target damage over time and aoe damage over time.


you can have spammables with the first 2, single target direct damage, aoe direct damage but not of the last 2, single target damage over time and aoe damage over time., by the nature that you need to wait for the dot to complete to get the full damage out of a cast. now of course there are skills like engulfing flames that have 2 categories, but on the whole, most of the skill are balanced with that in mind.

just because you don't consider steel tornado or deep slash, a spammable, doesn't make them any less of an aoe spammable. that is their role in the game.