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Puncture/Ransack/Pierce Armor damage. Spammable
FlowOne
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Is it possible to return Pancture damage back since Dizzy nerf. For stamsorc it was the best spam ability before 23 update.
Edited by FlowOne on September 18, 2019 7:50PM 4
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Adenoma✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just want front bar diversity. Barring stamina class spammables, there’s basically no options beyond 2H/dw for front bar weapons.Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma5 -
BlackMadara✭✭✭✭Power slam does decent damage and stacks when using SnB ult. It's also easy to bash weave. I personally like the animation of bashing people in the face as well4 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Is it possible to return Pancture damage back since Dizzy nerf. For stamsorc it was the best spam ability before 23 update.
No.
Just so you don't feel ignored5 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭BlackMadara wrote: »Power slam does decent damage and stacks when using SnB ult. It's also easy to bash weave. I personally like the animation of bashing people in the face as well
It looks so stupid as a spammable. ZOS really has no taste. They might aswell let us wield two shields since apparently shields do more harm than swords huh.6 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.0 -
FlowOne✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo2 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.1 -
FlowOne✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.
Yes I used it. Nobody uses power slam, only tank plebs who can’t even deal dmg to you, deep slash + bash cancel - now the best spammable from snb, but only class who can run this without dmg lost is DK, cuz of good sustain. They can take minor protection back and move it pierce armor morph. Ransack like spammable and pierce armor like debuff skill. And with bash cancel it will cost u like 2300, so it’s ok imoEdited by FlowOne on September 21, 2019 10:23AM0 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.
Yes I used it. Nobody uses power slam, only tank plebs who can’t even deal dmg to you, deep slash + bash cancel - now the best spammable from snb, but only class who can run this without dmg lost is DK, cuz of good sustain. They can take minor protection back and move it pierce armor morph. Ransack like spammable and pierce armor like debuff skill. And with bash cancel it will cost u like 2300, so it’s ok imo
I disagree with your opinion.2 -
BlackMadara✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.
Yes I used it. Nobody uses power slam, only tank plebs who can’t even deal dmg to you, deep slash + bash cancel - now the best spammable from snb, but only class who can run this without dmg lost is DK, cuz of good sustain. They can take minor protection back and move it pierce armor morph. Ransack like spammable and pierce armor like debuff skill. And with bash cancel it will cost u like 2300, so it’s ok imo
Deep slash does little damage, and that doesn't change for DKs. It is categorized as a debuff skill, not a spammable, like puncture.
ZoS has tried to move away from giving spammables major debuffs or defensive buffs, hence the changes.
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OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭BlackMadara wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.
Yes I used it. Nobody uses power slam, only tank plebs who can’t even deal dmg to you, deep slash + bash cancel - now the best spammable from snb, but only class who can run this without dmg lost is DK, cuz of good sustain. They can take minor protection back and move it pierce armor morph. Ransack like spammable and pierce armor like debuff skill. And with bash cancel it will cost u like 2300, so it’s ok imo
Deep slash does little damage, and that doesn't change for DKs. It is categorized as a debuff skill, not a spammable, like puncture.
ZoS has tried to move away from giving spammables major debuffs or defensive buffs, hence the changes.
deep slash does the same damage as steel tornado, so, not little damage, it is a great aoe spammable. not single target good, like power bash, but still pretty high. unlike heroic slash, which is in the category you are talking about.0 -
BlackMadara✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »BlackMadara wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.
Yes I used it. Nobody uses power slam, only tank plebs who can’t even deal dmg to you, deep slash + bash cancel - now the best spammable from snb, but only class who can run this without dmg lost is DK, cuz of good sustain. They can take minor protection back and move it pierce armor morph. Ransack like spammable and pierce armor like debuff skill. And with bash cancel it will cost u like 2300, so it’s ok imo
Deep slash does little damage, and that doesn't change for DKs. It is categorized as a debuff skill, not a spammable, like puncture.
ZoS has tried to move away from giving spammables major debuffs or defensive buffs, hence the changes.
deep slash does the same damage as steel tornado, so, not little damage, it is a great aoe spammable. not single target good, like power bash, but still pretty high. unlike heroic slash, which is in the category you are talking about.
Steel tornado and deep slash deal about 25% less damage than single target spammables. That is considerably less damage, and is not "great." Yes, heroic slash deals less, but true spammables deal more damage and are balanced as such. I don't agree with everything ZoS is doing, but the differences set between true spammables, aoe, and buff/debuff skills are sound.1 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭BlackMadara wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »BlackMadara wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.
Yes I used it. Nobody uses power slam, only tank plebs who can’t even deal dmg to you, deep slash + bash cancel - now the best spammable from snb, but only class who can run this without dmg lost is DK, cuz of good sustain. They can take minor protection back and move it pierce armor morph. Ransack like spammable and pierce armor like debuff skill. And with bash cancel it will cost u like 2300, so it’s ok imo
Deep slash does little damage, and that doesn't change for DKs. It is categorized as a debuff skill, not a spammable, like puncture.
ZoS has tried to move away from giving spammables major debuffs or defensive buffs, hence the changes.
deep slash does the same damage as steel tornado, so, not little damage, it is a great aoe spammable. not single target good, like power bash, but still pretty high. unlike heroic slash, which is in the category you are talking about.
Steel tornado and deep slash deal about 25% less damage than single target spammables. That is considerably less damage, and is not "great." Yes, heroic slash deals less, but true spammables deal more damage and are balanced as such. I don't agree with everything ZoS is doing, but the differences set between true spammables, aoe, and buff/debuff skills are sound.
notice, i said "aoe spammable". not single target spammable. they both are spammable but you use one with more than one target(deep slash) and the other with only one target(power bash). they are both "true spammables" just one is aoe and the other is single target. not sure what you are not getting here. deep slash and heroic slash are for different things as well, deep slash is a aoe spammable damage skill and heroic slash is a tank buff/debuff skill. their damage reflects that. again, not sure what you are trying to get at. there are 2 categories for spammable in the game, aoe and single target. and i mention this in my last post you replied too. do you really think steel tornado's damage is "not great"?Edited by OG_Kaveman on September 22, 2019 3:23AM0 -
FlowOne✭✭✭BlackMadara wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »BlackMadara wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Why? Because ZoS doesn't want it to be? ZoS very clearly wants power bash to the the damage spammable in the s/b line. Power slam is hardly clunky, have you even used it? It is one of the best spammables in the game, up there with surprise attack. It is really easy to weave and does amazing damage. Just think what you are asking, you want a ridiculously cheap skill(it costs ~1250 Stam), that debuffs the enemy and gives you minor protection to do the around the same damage as, say, flurry or dive or venom skull?. That is crazy.
Yes I used it. Nobody uses power slam, only tank plebs who can’t even deal dmg to you, deep slash + bash cancel - now the best spammable from snb, but only class who can run this without dmg lost is DK, cuz of good sustain. They can take minor protection back and move it pierce armor morph. Ransack like spammable and pierce armor like debuff skill. And with bash cancel it will cost u like 2300, so it’s ok imo
Deep slash does little damage, and that doesn't change for DKs. It is categorized as a debuff skill, not a spammable, like puncture.
ZoS has tried to move away from giving spammables major debuffs or defensive buffs, hence the changes.
deep slash does the same damage as steel tornado, so, not little damage, it is a great aoe spammable. not single target good, like power bash, but still pretty high. unlike heroic slash, which is in the category you are talking about.
Steel tornado and deep slash deal about 25% less damage than single target spammables. That is considerably less damage, and is not "great." Yes, heroic slash deals less, but true spammables deal more damage and are balanced as such. I don't agree with everything ZoS is doing, but the differences set between true spammables, aoe, and buff/debuff skills are sound.
This game dont need "true spammables", everyone should choose spammable which is suitable for specific build with different buffs, debuffs and cost.0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »Puncture is a a spammable, think of it as eledrain or mark target, it is a debuffs skill. Power slam is a fantastic spammable now, as has been said. Your wrong that it looks stupid, it has one of the best animations in the game, very satisfying to hit someone with the shield and do good damage, like getting hit with a shield would do in real life.
Why it must be only debuff skill? Pre patch it was good spammable and I never heard that it’s too op skill to nerf it. Power slam too clunky imo
Because it was super cheap in capmitadon yo other smamples and does either double debuff or 1 debuff and 1 buff. It was a lot better than dizzy, flurry or crushing weapons in melee range.0 -
wild_kmacdb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If Power Slam is supposed to be the new 1hand spammable, the morphs need a rework. Both of them are either useless or detrimental (reverberating) when spamming the ability.1 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭wild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »If Power Slam is supposed to be the new 1hand spammable, the morphs need a rework. Both of them are either useless or detrimental (reverberating) when spamming the ability.
power slam is the spammable. not reverberating, that is a utility skill, for the stun. power slam is great, i don't know how many times i need to say this, does the same damage as surprise attack AND can go 50% stronger, depending on how many stacks of resentment you have. it really is a great skill.0 -
SilverPaws✭✭✭✭✭Power slam is horrible looking spammable that makes no sense at all. Power slam should be debuff while ransack and deep slash should be spammables that should be buffed up to near the level of other spammables.2 -
FlowOne✭✭✭SilverPaws wrote: »Power slam is horrible looking spammable that makes no sense at all. Power slam should be debuff while ransack and deep slash should be spammables that should be buffed up to near the level of other spammables.
Thx god someone understand this.1 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭SilverPaws wrote: »Power slam is horrible looking spammable that makes no sense at all. Power slam should be debuff while ransack and deep slash should be spammables that should be buffed up to near the level of other spammables.
i completely disagree and clearly ZOs does too with this. power slam is really cool looking, first time i used it, i was like finally, a skill that uses the shield for something, other than being dead weight.0 -
SilverPaws✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »SilverPaws wrote: »Power slam is horrible looking spammable that makes no sense at all. Power slam should be debuff while ransack and deep slash should be spammables that should be buffed up to near the level of other spammables.
i completely disagree and clearly ZOs does too with this. power slam is really cool looking, first time i used it, i was like finally, a skill that uses the shield for something, other than being dead weight.
Clearly you aren't playing at higher level then when you play snb without bash rotation
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OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭SilverPaws wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »SilverPaws wrote: »Power slam is horrible looking spammable that makes no sense at all. Power slam should be debuff while ransack and deep slash should be spammables that should be buffed up to near the level of other spammables.
i completely disagree and clearly ZOs does too with this. power slam is really cool looking, first time i used it, i was like finally, a skill that uses the shield for something, other than being dead weight.
Clearly you aren't playing at higher level then when you play snb without bash rotation
lol i dont pvp, if that is what you are implying, i use s/b on my stam sorc in pve, get 35k+ dps with her, hitting 30k+ power bashes. really fun to play. and i actually do use bash in her rotation, as i use maarselok on her.Edited by OG_Kaveman on September 23, 2019 12:17AM0 -
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✭✭SnB was overperforming.
It had so many tools + top passives +easy AC + solid tooltip dmg. It had to be nerfed.
Making a shield ability as spammable was bad.
They should swap Puncture effects with Slam.Edited by GeorgeBlack on September 23, 2019 1:20AM1 -
wild_kmacdb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »Making a shield ability as spammable was bad.
They should swap Puncture effects with Slam.
Yeah it feels cartoony bashing someone was a shield frequently.
Although honestly the whole SnB skillset needs an animation overhaul in my opinion.
When using Puncture, why do I stab them with my hammer? For Axes and Maces, it should be an overhead chop using the weight of the weapon to puncture.
Heroic Slash sounds pretty cool... so why is it the most unheroic thing you can do? Bend down and whack your opponents toe?
Even using Defensive Posture looks silly... are we pretending to be a 'Naruto' character or something?Edited by wild_kmacdb16_ESO on September 23, 2019 3:00AM1 -
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✭✭wild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »Making a shield ability as spammable was bad.
They should swap Puncture effects with Slam.
Yeah it feels cartoony bashing someone was a shield frequently.
Although honestly the whole SnB skillset needs an animation overhaul in my opinion.
When using Puncture, why do I stab them with my hammer? For Axes and Maces, it should be an overhead chop using the weight of the weapon to puncture.
Heroic Slash sounds pretty cool... so why is it the most unheroic thing you can do? Bend down and whack your opponents toe?
Even using Defensive Posture looks silly... are we pretending to be a 'Naruto' character or something?
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OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »wild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »Making a shield ability as spammable was bad.
They should swap Puncture effects with Slam.
Yeah it feels cartoony bashing someone was a shield frequently.
Although honestly the whole SnB skillset needs an animation overhaul in my opinion.
When using Puncture, why do I stab them with my hammer? For Axes and Maces, it should be an overhead chop using the weight of the weapon to puncture.
Heroic Slash sounds pretty cool... so why is it the most unheroic thing you can do? Bend down and whack your opponents toe?
Even using Defensive Posture looks silly... are we pretending to be a 'Naruto' character or something?
Zos logic
I honestly do not get you guys. The animations are fine. They feel great. Are we playing completely different games or something?Edited by OG_Kaveman on September 23, 2019 3:16AM1 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »wild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »Making a shield ability as spammable was bad.
They should swap Puncture effects with Slam.
Yeah it feels cartoony bashing someone was a shield frequently.
Although honestly the whole SnB skillset needs an animation overhaul in my opinion.
When using Puncture, why do I stab them with my hammer? For Axes and Maces, it should be an overhead chop using the weight of the weapon to puncture.
Heroic Slash sounds pretty cool... so why is it the most unheroic thing you can do? Bend down and whack your opponents toe?
Even using Defensive Posture looks silly... are we pretending to be a 'Naruto' character or something?
Zos logic
I honestly do not get you guys. The animations are fine. They feel great. Are we playing completely different games or something?
What is fine about using your shield to dmg your enemy when you have a sword?
Is that how you would develop a video game knight?
Deal dmg with your shield and every now and then use your sword to lower your enemies armor?Edited by GeorgeBlack on September 23, 2019 3:52AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't mind the animation myself. But I am tickled how dangerously close SnB is to becoming a decent DPS/Tank skill set."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »OG_Kaveman wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »wild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »Making a shield ability as spammable was bad.
They should swap Puncture effects with Slam.
Yeah it feels cartoony bashing someone was a shield frequently.
Although honestly the whole SnB skillset needs an animation overhaul in my opinion.
When using Puncture, why do I stab them with my hammer? For Axes and Maces, it should be an overhead chop using the weight of the weapon to puncture.
Heroic Slash sounds pretty cool... so why is it the most unheroic thing you can do? Bend down and whack your opponents toe?
Even using Defensive Posture looks silly... are we pretending to be a 'Naruto' character or something?
Zos logic
I honestly do not get you guys. The animations are fine. They feel great. Are we playing completely different games or something?
What is fine about using your shield to dmg your enemy when you have a sword?
Is that how you would develop a video game knight?
Deal dmg with your shield and every now and then use your sword to lower your enemies armor?
you are carrying a heavy wood and steel wall on your arm, off course it is going to hurt when you bash someone with it. if you want to do damage with the sword, use DW or 2H. how would you "develop a video game knight"?, whatever that means, when you are explicitly trying to use a defensive, in terms of in game play, skill set, for offensive task. and the fact that the developers of the game understand that people would want this, people doing damage with a defensive skill set, by way of the fact that ZoS put power bash and deep slash in the kit, you are still not satisfied.0