InvictusApollo wrote: »

Nerfing Fortified Brass is nerfing survivalability of PvP newcomers. New PvPers can't be expected to upkeep all of their buffs in a hectic combat. They need some training wheels at the begining. Fortified Brass was such thing for me. After I learned how to play I moved forward to other sets and completely forgot about this one.
I want new PvPers to stay and become good PvPers or else I will lose targets in PvP.

They can still wear reactive or pariah. Also newcomers are f** up atm if they wear brass and went into Elder Scrolls Onslaught.

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Why single out just this one set? What about Armor Master and Bloodspawn, etc?

I don't think it was or would have been overperforming. Now it's not really worth using.

It's probably the weirdest change in the patch notes.

i'm assuming they are going to reduce armor master too (like next incremental). Also they didn't nerf sets they nerfed abilities, so sets like viper, relequen are still contributing their full damage (for now..). They just want the damage and toughness ratio on everything to be the same without fully acknowledging that if that's the case there isn't a reason to use the toughness ones cause damage is more valuable is more situations.

oh and 5% mitigation going from taking 55% damage to 50% in an ideal situation at the cap is much closer to 10% but.. still..^

Why does everything need to fit this stupid budget anyway, regardless of balance considerations? Why can't we have sets/skills that excel in some area if they are not overpowered?

Fortified Brass excelled in resistances at the cost of everything else. How is that OP? It's not. It's balanced.

Once you learned your role, either in PVP and PVE, you'd most likely drop that set. And that shows it was *never* OP.

It was, though, a really nice set for beginners. Craftable, easy access, that would make you super tanky and allow your mistakes to be less punishable. It was also really nice for low level PVE tanks to wear, since you mostly likely won't be farming any sets before you are CP 160.

And lore-wise, it was just really cool that it was found in the CwC. But I guess Sotha Sil took a good look at the Dragonguard and decided not to share the secret for his super alloy anymore because... He's the Father of Mysteries! Boom baby!

Please, ZOS. Please! This is an unnecessary, unjustifiable change just for the sake of making your spreadsheets look good. But guess what? In actuality, they don't. They just make the game flavourless.

MaleAmazon wrote: »

They changed it to add as much armor as spriggan adds penetration. Same as lover and lady mundus mirror each other.

And fortified brass was great. Even with the nerf it should be decent.

It was far from great.

It was a good set before the nerf, and it'll be an average set at best after the nerfs.

I am not defending it 100%, I am just saying that is certainly why they did it. It's how ZOS treat resistances and penetration. They are not 100% consistent since a 1-p resistance bonus is (pre-dragonhold) 2x that of a penetration which is either physical or spell, but arguably you only do phys/poison/disease on a stam character and so they can be said to be equal (you need to defend against both spell and phys but you only do 1 type of damage).

And brass wasnt a tank set. It was for medium and light armor allowing them defense. You could slap on f. Brass on a medium armor DD and reach resist cap. As such it was imo great, people can prefer other sets but you cant argue that 5k+ resist up at all times and stackable with resolve/ward isnt a bit overtuned in pve numbers-wise.

Trust me, I would have been happy if they didnt change it. I used it on my DD, just slapped it on and slotted inner fire and I could tank all vet dungeons up to late dlc while not needing 1h+s and still having all stamina in attributes. And I was gonna use it for light armor pvp. But ah well, there are other defensive sets and hopefully standardizing things is just a step towards diversifying stuff later.

One can always hope...

Here's something to consider: resistances are just a part of survivability. When you give up on things like max stamina/ magicka and regen, you are having an impact on your survivability as well, so it balances out.

The same is true for penetration: it's just a part of the damage that you will deal.

So, a set that excels in just one thing is probably not as interesting as a set that is strong on multiple things. Those sets that excel in one thing just give flavour to the game and allow for those builds such as yours, MaleAmazon. And that is a good thing!

Why does ZOS have to screw this up to make their numbers look pretty? It doesn't make things more balanced. It doesn't make the game more diverse. It makes no sense.

sionIV wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

LoL, this was one of the fitting nerfs... a ton of resistance without any kind of proc/condition. You are all just crying because you have it gold-ed out and/or are using it. ^^ *licking tears*

I do not use Fortified Brass, because it's not that good, hence why I'm against this change.

It's giving on live 8145 spell and physical resistance flat out(stacking with all buffs) + 1 k health, you not using it does not justify anything at all...

Lady_Arikel wrote: »

Sure, it gives you all those resistance at the expense of everything else. That is the point. It is not overpowered. If it was, everybody would be using, right?

Now, if it's not overpowered, why is it being nerfed?

The fact that most people here is not using the set just reinforces our argument: we are not against it because it is personally affecting us. We're against it because the nerf is not needed.

Next patch with the damage nerfs the set will be stronger then it is on live today. Another problem with your logic; only things that everyone is running should be nerfed? whut? Here is another logic: I find it strange that so many now are not running this but everyone is frustrated about the nerf xD

Edit: I don't care when I see bad sets I'm not running getting nerfed, why would I, zos has proven over and over that they don't know how to balance armor sets, just look at many of the "improved" sets that had changes done to them to be "useful" again... It's laughable.