Dahveed wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Anchors did get balanced! Zos just did a 60% ish nerf across the board to all classes except warden! Haha

Uhhh, trolling? What source is this?

Trolling. PTS notes for 5.2, and in a surprise to no one, a lot of the DoTs got hit hard.

Short version is that Stam Sorcs, Stam DKs, and Stamdens got a lot of new toys. StamDKs are probably the most interesting change, as it shifts to a more group damage enhancement role. Also, they throw rocks at people now. Stam Sorcs have a pet now, and Bound Armaments looks a little like Grim Focus. Stamdens got a couple of new stam morphs of Mag staple abilities.

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

This may be a case of be careful what you ask for. Players keep asking for buffed overland content. ZOS is responding by nerfing dps by 50%.

Reference: Current PTS patch notes.

Sounds good to me. ^^

It's fine for the people with good DPS, but it could be crippling for folks who have bad DPS.

Or it could be a boon to them. A simple case of having never really been challenged. As long as it doesn't make the difficulty curve too steep, this could benefit them by encouraging them to grow stronger.

furiouslog wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

martygod12 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

A lot of people keep forgetting how it is to be new in a game. Five years ago when I hardly knew what a set was, I was light years from soloing a general. So easy for you, maybe, but easy for the new players, maybe not.

Omg stop opposing with the "new players" argument already people. Guess what a lot of players in the game Are not new...

Guess what? The vast majority of people playing the game, something in the range of 80% of the people you'll encounter, have never reached level 50. They are new, at least in so far as a discussion on making content challenging. Alienating them, and driving those new players from the game, by tuning exclusively for endgame players is a fantastic way to kill an MMO.

The game is not "tuned excluisively" to those players. There are loads of casual options for questing that are way more interesting than the dolmens, which are an obvious and perfunctory repeatable quest, practically designed for grinding.

For those complaining about immersion - why are there active dolmens once you have defeated Molag Bal? That makes no sense either from a continuity standpoint. Yes, it can be justified with some logical gymnastics, but under those conditions, the AD groups can also be justified, as can the ability for a newer player to solo a dolmen. The fact is that if they removed dolmens after the main quest, you could not farm a lot of set jewelry. Immersion needs to be balanced with other game priorities given that it is designed to appeal to a wide audience. This strains easy mental closure, but it's always an option to ignore the dolmens and focus on story-driven content.

Wow, reading comprehension. What I said was, "'exclusively tuning' an MMO around endgame players is a good way to kill it." I've actually seen devs for other games who forgot new players were part of the ecosystem, and proceeded to drive them out of their game by configuring content around veteran players. I even played a pair of MMOs years ago where it was nearly impossible for new players to progress through base game content without assistance from endgame players, because content difficulty had been rebalanced to the level capped players running around in those areas.

Hell, dev teams forgetting that newbies are part of their game is endemic. Not an example I was thinking of above, but Bungie's Destiny 2 team didn't see a problem with dropping 610 Light enemies directly into the path of a mandatory quest that you'll do almost as soon as you start, and is balanced around 20 Light. Even at 580 Light, those guys will one shot you and you cannot do damage to them. So, yeah, let's make this a new player experience. I wouldn't single them out, except this is the third time I've seen a developer make a similar mistake.

Fortunately, ESO's structure means that particular mistake is extremely unlikely, but, it is important to remember how the new player experience flows. This was a problem with Morrowind, where the game would drop you in a relatively challenging zone (in contrast to the base game overland content.) This did affect how people approached the game. I know a few players who started right before Summerset dropped who still despise Vvardenfell because they were curbstomped right off the boat. Here's a shocker, but if the game curb stomps you on the way in, chances are, you're not going to stick around. This is less of an issue in single player titles where you've already gotten your money, and you can deliberately market towards that. But, MMOs are a bit different, because they are absolutely dependent on players coming in and sticking around. Want to see how "Dark Souls difficulty," works in an MMO, check out The Secret World by Funcom. No, not, Secret World Legends, check out the original one.