Eliran wrote: »

@Ace_SiN‌

Lol first of all, LoL does require skill and about x10 times more than CS.

Second, WoW require situation based thinking in order to counter, I agree that it is easy to move and all but in many cases timings of abilities with 5 seconds rotation are difference between life and death (PVP wise that is).

Third, CS IS MMO, aka Massive Multiplayer Online! That said, 200k players people play at the same time and 2.5m unique accounts per week are more than eough to be called MMO. ESO however is MMORPG so please don't correct me if you have no idea what MMO is.

1) I never said LoL didn't require some skill. It's still not as "High End" as you like to keep pretending it is. However, you stating it requires more skill than CS just blew my mind... You're showing that you don't know what high end PvP really is with each post.

2) WoW is tab target which already greatly lowers the skill requirement. WoW PvP boils down to gear, possibly FOTM class, and Rotation vs Rotation with some minor adjustments depending on what the other player does. That's not high end PvP.

3) By CS you do mean Counter Strike right? If so, it's not a MMO no matter how hard you try to force the term. CS is a MO(Multiplayer Online) game. It is not and has never been a Massive Multiplayer Online game. Following your logic NHL 14 is a MMO because of its online offering...

4) Yes in ESO you have to block and dodge, so the skill floor is a bit higher than other mainstream MMOs. However, it's still not a High End PvP game. Blocking protects 360 degrees. Dodging is the only way of avoiding damaging without skills that increase miss chance. Targeting is soft locked and requires little effort to hit another player(you don't actually aim your skills).

So, I hope by " unlike all of above" you weren't including CS. Though you already claimed LoL requires more skill than CS so...


Again, Nameplates are not needed because they provide INCREASED visibility. Players use healthbars and tags are already on by default, yet I have avoided potentially fatal encounters by hiding in corners as the enemy ran by.

For those that say "just stealth", that's not what I'm talking about. If you PvPed you would know that you can be stuck in combat for a good while after killing an enemy. The only option you have is to go hide in corners, behind rocks, inside tents, etc until it goes away. By then you can have the zerg coming in your direction.

I agree they should be there, as an optional CHOICE. Im all for immersion but let me decide how I want to play. The funny thing going into this game I was all for addons and lined up all the wants/needs, yet now I find myself running with very few. Somedays more than others. It is my choice. They keep throwing around this word immersion yet instead of having us known in guild by our character names we are just USERNAMES. That breaks my immersion far more than seeing name plates.

There is another reason we need name plates: for anyone who has seen those ghastly farmers in dungeons. groups of them 6-10 depth. How do we report them and remember their bad names. If we had name plates, turn them on, one picture. Sorted.

For people whining about PvP advantages etc, they can easily make it so everyone's nameplates are disabled in the PvP zone. There, fixed.

People who want them when not pvping, like myself, have the option to turn them on. People who don't, don't. My having them on in no way affects YOUR gameplay or immersion. It also provides no real advantage to me over YOU, so I fail to see what all the crying is about.

Realism, you say?

No, people do not run around in real life with name tags over their heads, true. However, they also do not carry 78 pieces of steel armor or swords in a backpack, they don't drink a health potions to recover from near death and elves, catmen and lizardmen also do not exist in real life... I could go on but I've made my point. So could we please stop with the whole "u don't need themz 4 realism" argument? It's just ridiculous.

X-Box users can't have them because of screen clutter? They seem to deal with it just fine in FFXIV.

This is not difficult to solve. Just make it optional. Please.

Nameplates would make a 100% difference! I can never tell if I am around an npc or a player, because nobody has nameplates. Please add this Zenimax!

The health bar is no where near as noticeable as player names would be. Period. That isn't really debatable. It is noticeable, particularly if players don't know how to hide well, but no where near to being on the same level. That is simply an objective reality... text (which our pattern recognizing brains are drawn to at most any distance) versus a line.

That being said... it seems to me that your argument could just as easily be used to argue for hiding hovering health bars as well as names in PVP (at least until someone actually hovers over a player). If that is what you really meant I couldn't agree more!

I still support an option for nameplates in PVE content though (particularly dungeons and other group content... would be very helpful).

Me personally, I would like the OPTION for nameplates. I DO NOT want nameplates for enemies in PVP.

If you take a page out of DAOC PVP the enemy did not have nameplates, but they did have their realm rank listed above their character. I found that very awesome because you could see the high RR's running around.

Need and want are different things but OPTIONS are always a good thing.

Mousing over the players next to me ... reading their names ... please NO nameplates, it's much easier to not see "Darth Vader" that way

not sure how nameplates would help anyone make "friends" in game lol, I have made some already from dungeons and random quests and non of them had anything to do with me "knowing" who was near me.

the option to toggle would be awesome but saying its a game breaker is kind of out there lol.

Not sure where all the anti nameplate resistance comes from, but I personally see a few reasons why I feel they need to be added. The obvious reasons would be

1. Easier to interact with people, hard to get folks to stand still long enough to spell some names with the way it is currently.

2. For folks who like titles, may add some player pride etc. Personally don't care about this one but folks dig that type of stuff.

3. Much easier to tell NPC from player apart. This I would enjoy for I feel like you can replace all the players with NPC's and I wouldn't notice outside of a drop in skill.

Even with little arrows over their heads it is difficult to keep track of group members in populated areas. Sort of like wheres Waldo except everyone's dressed like waldo.

I've never had difficulty feeling a part of a MMO world. I'm an old fart from the early days of Ultima Online. This is the loneliest I've felt in a MMO. No means trashing. Game is beautiful, fun, and unique enough to be special.

I'm cautious of unintended consequences of changes, there are a few headaches that could form, but I would be willing to deal with them that feel like I am running around a world by myself with a sort of clunky chat interface with too much guild chats. A very anonymous feeling MMO.

skyler.gb14_ESO wrote: »

Altros wrote: »

I think you are misunderstanding them. This is how I read it: "I want the option to turn on nameplates, but make sure that enemy combatants (players from other alliances) don't have nameplates over their heads, even if the option for nameplates is enabled, because that ruins the ability of a player to hide."

Yeah. That is a contradiction. You can't say something like "options are always a good thing" and, in the same breath, say there shouldn't be an option in PVP. Well... you can say that. It just doesn't make any sense.

The reality is that, obviously, options are not always a good thing. That matters because it seems to be at the center of most of the posts in favor of adding the option for nameplates. I think there is still a strong case in favor of allowing an option for nameplates in certain parts of the game (in towns, group PVE content, etc) but there are also valid arguments for why there should not be an option for it in PVP (and maybe in other parts of the game).

Options are always better as long as they're done within set perimeters. Nameplates are a good option and there is absolutely NO valid argument against people having them that want them. They DO NOT need to be enabled in PvP. When you zone in to Cyrodiil, they're gone. So if people could just stop with that argument, that'd be awesome.

Now this is just my opinion but there are several other things besides nameplates that would make this game much more fun for me:

Btw, I'm not saying they should implement all of these just for me so don't even go there. This is just my wishlist, so to speak.

A server-wide AH. Chat bubbles so I can thank someone who just helped me and they actually see it, group loot on chests in dungeons, need/greed roll system, and multiple tagging credit for anyone who helps kill an elite in public dungeon rather than the "you must land the killing blow to get credit"... making you absolutely hate other people because they may inadvertently steal your kill or frankly, steal it on purpose. I've had it happen. It's just stupid and stuff like that makes me want to quit. I pay to have fun, not be annoyed. The lack of an OPTION for nameplates annoys me greatly. I don't like being boxed in to someone else's playstyle.

Every other game has options. This is not a single player TES game where the world literally revolves around you. This is an MMO with OTHER living people playing it and if it wants to make money at being an MMO, a few concessions need to be made. So can we just stop the whole "being different for the sake of being different" routine and go with what works? Thanks.

The downside with the current setting is you are required to basically be facing and pointing toward the one you want to see. Which is not terribly hard, but it gets rather difficult and tedious in different situations. Not a reason not to play it, but still no reason not to add the option.

It is apparent from this topic how many have posted that many feel similar, so why not just add the option? It will not hurt those that play, it won't give anyone else an advantage, it just helps with the social aspect of the massively multiplayer part of the online game.

Granted having floating text above peoples heads may take away from a certain vision of the game, but personally wouldn't bother myself at all. It is really one of those things with too many variables to acknowledge. One of the more important parts of the MMO atmosphere.

Dwumblord wrote: »

It is apparent from this topic how many have posted that many feel similar, so why not just add the option? It will not hurt those that play, it won't give anyone else an advantage, it just helps with the social aspect of the massively multiplayer part of the online game.

The answer to the first question is that forum posts are not representative of any useful statistics. People generally only come to forums to complain so you would always expect the numbers to be hugely skewed (if folks are happy with things the way they are they are playing the game, not posting on forums).

My response to the second point would be that having to actually look at players rather than glancing at the text over heads has enhanced the social aspect of the game (at least for me). I have actually started getting to know what my friends and guild mates by how they look like in-game. I've never had to do that before so I had no idea how cool it really is. Scott is that short dude with the disturbing eyes. Sasha is that insanely tall Nord with the pony tails. Etc. I am not even an RPer but I find this to be really neat.

Arato wrote: »

Ace_SiN wrote: »

Blocking protects 360 degrees.

Pretty sure that's false. I've been blocking and still gotten knocked down when an enemy hit me from behind instead.

doing it all the time block is 360.

back on topic add name plates for your own allies.

I can't be the only person who doesn't want these...