Cloak - What getes you out of cloak / prevents cloaking?

  • idk
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    fred4 wrote: »
    To use cloak effectively don’t ever just use cloak and expect to get away because you won’t. Dodge roll first then cloak or line of sight or and shadow image first then cloak if you have shadow image on your bar.
    I would go further than this. I think you need at least one of the following in addition to dodge rolls and Cloak:

    (A) Shadow Image
    (B) Mist Form
    (C) Root and Snare removal (Forward Momentum or Race Against Time)

    If you're only using (C) then I also recommend being speedy to whatever degree you deem balanced. This includes things like:

    (D) Being a Bosmer and dodge rolling
    (E) Being an Orc and sprinting, perhaps
    (F) Steed mundus
    (G) Swift jewelry
    (H) Using Concealed Weapon passively, even as a stamblade. Some players make this sacrifice. Depends on build.
    (I) A set like Gryphon's Ferocity that fits with some NB builds
    (J) Dodge rolling on the bow bar

    To clarify, I play a very squishy melee magblade and favor speed myself. It is, however, also possible to build for tankiness. The tankier you are, the less dependent you are on mobility.

    Yes, if you are going against a fairly skilled player. Unfortunately it is far to often a NB can escape just using cloak, mostly due to the enemy players not trying. That is the reason we see nerf cloak threads so often.

    Regardless, you are correct that NBs should not be a one trick pony. Player skill, not skills on the bar, make a huge difference in how the day plays out.
  • Wheresthetea11
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    Commenting on this post to save the discussion. Such amazing feedback from everyone! I’ve been doing a lot of work on my stamblade and am always looking for new ways to get stronger :) great discussion! Makes me wanna hop on eso right now and go work some more with my build. Best of luck to OP and everyone else running a nb!
  • fred4
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    idk wrote: »
    fred4 wrote: »
    To use cloak effectively don’t ever just use cloak and expect to get away because you won’t. Dodge roll first then cloak or line of sight or and shadow image first then cloak if you have shadow image on your bar.
    I would go further than this. I think you need at least one of the following in addition to dodge rolls and Cloak:

    (A) Shadow Image
    (B) Mist Form
    (C) Root and Snare removal (Forward Momentum or Race Against Time)

    If you're only using (C) then I also recommend being speedy to whatever degree you deem balanced. This includes things like:

    (D) Being a Bosmer and dodge rolling
    (E) Being an Orc and sprinting, perhaps
    (F) Steed mundus
    (G) Swift jewelry
    (H) Using Concealed Weapon passively, even as a stamblade. Some players make this sacrifice. Depends on build.
    (I) A set like Gryphon's Ferocity that fits with some NB builds
    (J) Dodge rolling on the bow bar

    To clarify, I play a very squishy melee magblade and favor speed myself. It is, however, also possible to build for tankiness. The tankier you are, the less dependent you are on mobility.

    Yes, if you are going against a fairly skilled player. Unfortunately it is far to often a NB can escape just using cloak, mostly due to the enemy players not trying. That is the reason we see nerf cloak threads so often.
    The funny thing is, let's say you're a templar, you're better off NOT trying anything fancy.

    I have two templar clips. The first guy was a good player. He stayed calm, he used his bubble. He put Purifying Light on me. He may have used something else, like Vampire's Bane. A proper rotation. That kind of stuff does not work against a nightblade. You're giving the NB free reign and then, just before you do Sweeps, the nightblade cloaks until Purifying LIght has popped.

    Against many NBs you're better off just jabbing. The worst templars against my melee magblade are the ones that are specced deeply into damage, probably wearing Overwhelming Surge, Skoria and A.N.Other. Then they just do Toppling Charge and Jabs. I cannot stay in range. That 70% snare at the end of jabs and the sheer damage they do with their spammable is killer. Their ultimate and Solar Barrage is hardly even needed. I either have the shade up or I have to throw everything I've got into getting away, e.g. shields, RAT, Fear, Cloak and outright speed.
    Edited by fred4 on September 17, 2019 2:46AM
  • alainjbrennanb16_ESO
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    Lybal wrote: »
    Zabagad wrote: »
    Lybal wrote: »
    [...]
    (I'm planning to try Undo as defensive ult this patch coz of the cast time that is horrible to react correctly, but I'm too lazy to upgrade psijic skill line rank 10 on my EP char and I got very annoyed last time I tried it due to the ult not working, killing me more than saving me.)

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    I won't talk much about the first part coz I don't really like to compliment myself in any way, tbh these message are pretty embarrassing

    And it's true, I forgot the fact that you can take poisons to counter cloak, people use it soooo rarely I didn't think about it
    I react to it the same way as Magelight or Detect pots since it's the same mechanic (one poison works like magelight and an other like detect pot), the one that works like detect pots puts an effect on you with an icon that looks like an eye with a purple background.
    There's some subtile difference, like the fact that the poison which act as a detect pot don't have range restrictions and you can easily know when someone use it by looking at your debuffs, but that's basically the same thing.

    But sry to disappoint you, you won't be able to use it on me, atleast next month, coz I comeback AD side for the next campaign

    [...]

    Sorry if I'm ashamed you - that was not my intention but understandable. I hope it was only that, because the translation of "embarrassing" into my language has a large range - from ashamed till annyoed (pissed off)...
    And Mayrael showed that you have a great reputation, too. But better to stop here... :)

    Two open points for me (beside I'm a bit surprised by your sets, but I'm looking from the other side of the medal on this thread, and so its not so importend for me) - first you wrote:
    "Lybal wrote:
    (and I was playing a lingering pots with health and Stam, since I needed less mag recov due to meditate)
    I missed something here - either I missed that Pots exists with Lingering health and Stam and Health, or I missed where Health and Stam are refering to. Maybe clothes Enchantment?

    Second - ty for your input to the poison(s) - I use them now for some month, but didnt know there were 2 versions :) I use(d) always only one of them and didn't realized that there is another possible poison. But I guess the "old one" was the better one for me anyway, but in the future I will now always think about the second "new" poison too.

    Finaly you dont disappoint me - nice to hear that you will play (more?) in the future - even if I didn't play much in the last 4 month, I realized that you were not so much in the highscore as before.

    And if I see you online (but maybe I will switch to CP campaingn) I will whisper to you to share my "Undo-experience" - but that's OT here and maybe by then you know already more about undo then I do.

    There's pots with lingering health, stam and health since Elsweyr, it requires Dragon Blood so it's a bit expensive.

    Also to criticize your use of poisons, the problem with them is that it makes your build too specific and not polyvalent, it's only useful against nb. I would suggest to get an add-on to swap your gear and make 2 setup with everything the same except poison; and swap to the one who act as a detect pot / reveal when you know you're gonna fight a nb, so you'll get an extra enchant or poison for all other situations.
    Ik it can be a bit annoying to think about swap your gear every time between 2 fights if needed, but it's the best if you want to be optimal and use these poisons.

    I took a break during about a month and now I'm off for 2 weeks due to IRL stuff, I played a lot this campaign (got emp on my EP char, it should still be on top of the ladder), and will surely be a lot more present after my break for months.
    magelight will bring them out but some nb's re-cloack in less of a second

    Is that really the case, or just a bias feeling without anything else ?
    I agree that 3 sec can feel very short sometimes, and it's easy for any decent nb to temporize for such a short duration, but it clearly does not feel like 1 to me.

    Anyway, magelight isn't a tool strong enough alone, except if you spam it but in any fair situations that will lead to your deaths due to the fact that it does nothing else.
    His power comes when in a group, since it reveals the nb to everyone and not only you, allowing other to follow.
    If you reveal a nb with magelight, then try to keep it out of cloak with other tools, that's how to use the skill properly imo, if you got nothing but magelight, then it just means your build is wrong, every class got strong tools that are used in any polyvalent build to keep a nb out of cloak, except maybe nb itself.

    i thought something was of so i timed it its not bias, most nb's i bring out of cloak and they do not go bk but like i said some nb's seem to be able to spam it and do it quicker then ment
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  • alainjbrennanb16_ESO
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    fred4 wrote: »
    Elephant42 wrote: »
    LMFAO

    Like so many things in this game the actuality is far removed from the theory.

    I run Magelight on my backbar and I _routinely_ have nightblades get pulled out of stealth with it and then stealth again in less than a second, sometimes it's so quick that I can't be sure I saw them...
    magelight will bring them out but some nb's re-cloack in less of a second

    Magelight locks NBs out of cloak for a few seconds. If they disappear, they probably used the shade. It can be difficult to tell the difference. Turn around 180 degrees and you may see them.

    ta for that but na its not, its re-cloaking, playing pvp since the start even have a nb my self its not all nb's like i said some
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  • Cerotonin
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    A lot of people think NightBlade is an easy class to play, there are so many counters to the cloak. Timing your cloak and sustaining it isn’t always easy too. You really have to roll-dodge and CC (Mass Hysteria/ Turn Evil) to avoid getting clapped.
  • Ysbriel
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    The sole simple answer to that question is : everything gets you out of cloak and prevents you from cloaking, specially if you are in a PvP zone.
  • fred4
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    fred4 wrote: »
    Elephant42 wrote: »
    LMFAO

    Like so many things in this game the actuality is far removed from the theory.

    I run Magelight on my backbar and I _routinely_ have nightblades get pulled out of stealth with it and then stealth again in less than a second, sometimes it's so quick that I can't be sure I saw them...
    magelight will bring them out but some nb's re-cloack in less of a second

    Magelight locks NBs out of cloak for a few seconds. If they disappear, they probably used the shade. It can be difficult to tell the difference. Turn around 180 degrees and you may see them.

    ta for that but na its not, its re-cloaking, playing pvp since the start even have a nb my self its not all nb's like i said some
    The thing I only noticed yesterday is that the NPC magelight in IC Arboretum does not prevent you from re-cloaking. I think that is very new though. I don't remember it ever working like that before. I guess that's what you're talking about? Perhaps a new bug?

    The boss magelight still prevents cloaking, though, and I'm sure I successfully used Magelight against another NB recently. In fact, I have video of it.
  • HowlKimchi
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    Cloak should be looked at as a tool to 'extend' the space you have, and not exactly 'make space'

    First you have to LOS, roll, RAT, or shadow image away. Only then do you cloak, to exponentially increase the space you've made.

    A good tip is to also change direction the moment you enter cloak.
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  • Xelyum
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    Taking damage (including DOT, AoE, Hurricane) will break cloak.

    + Magelight.

    That's a [snip] lie, the biggest lie NB players tell. I'm a DK, as soon as I see a NB, I dot them up, they don't care at all about dots, they cloak, run away, stun incap kill like it's nobody's business. [snip]

    [edited for language/baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 2, 2021 11:43AM
  • ThePianist
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    Stampede is pretty effective at bringing out cloakblades. If a player targets you with stampede, but you go in cloak, the stampede will still bring you out of cloak. It’s like a homing missile. If they spam it, you’re definitely not going invisible so use shadow image or something.

    Blastbones will sometimes bring you out of cloak. But most of the time, the skeleton will stop mid air once you go in cloak. I bet this is pretty infuriating to necro players but yeah nerf necros!
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