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So, now we can have utility and combat will not be DOT timer management. Big win.

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I have often criticized the Dev's for endlessly paying lip service to the idea of DPS's having utility on their bar but making a game where dps is king and DOT's do 2.5x the dps of spamables (more before last patch) thus requiring everyone to pretty much remove everything else from their bars in favor of DOT's and to make DOT timer management their number one priority in combat while also de-syncing the duration's of all the DOT's so that your job was pretty much reducible to managing timers on 2 bars full of nothing but DOT's. I pretty much hated all of that and thought the game had been much better in 1.x when DOT's did not crush spamables for dps.

ZOS has now reset AOE's and sticky DOT's to 1.25x spam-able dps (this is very close to where it was at launch). What this basically means is that while they are better it is not by so much that you can't slot other things. ZOS also seem's to have moved most DOT timers to 10 seconds so you are not going to be spending your whole live looking at timers trying to maximize convoluted rotations. In fact, you will be able to use no special add on timers if you don't want to and still be functional.

I believe this will make builds far more varied and combat far more dynamic. Specifically:

1) There is no reason that a DPS cannot now afford to slot group support abilities such as a ground AOE heal, group buff, or circle of protection to aid during specific sections of specific fights. These will no longer cause a major derailment of DPS. Might we even see a resto/destro build that is actually functional?
2) You will need to pick and choose much better what ability you use on what NPC at what time. Just running though the same rotation of AOE's, sticky's, and spamables will be a waste of resources and having a full heavy in a rotation vs. not will be a big difference. You will need to place well your ground AOE's probably have an AOE spamabe, and not be wasteful. This is much more dynamic than timer management and also more fun. I'm stoked.

While I like the direction, I do have some concerns:
1) All of this change has come in the form of nerfs. eg. DD skill damage was not buffed at all, instead DOT's were all brought down to closer to it. What this means is that players will be now doing probably 50% of the damage they were doing at Elsywhere drop. Not only are people not going to like that but the content scaling will be way off from where it was and people will not be completing what they were before. Content scaling needs to be adjusted in general in light of both this and with a little more realism regarding the effect the persistently ignored and equally persistently present cheats have on the elite endgame community.

2) The whole light attack / medium attack scaling thing will loom even larger in endgame content now then it currently does. Remember, many people can't hit that tiny window of duration perfection with the ping that they have an instead land in the worthless medium range. In recent patches, and is particular content (buggy, laggy, vSS) I seem to land in it more often than not. Either some resource return scaling on mediums or a de-nerf is in order to fix that mess. I really find it hard to believe that this dysfunctional scaling has existed for more than 2 years not. Heck, channeled weapons (shock and resto) don't even do any damage on a light medium despite tricking the player with an animation into thinking that they do.

Anyhow, I like the changes and direction, but please don't go live without some sort of cushion for the ~50% dps drop in two patches. People will quit because the can't do the content that they used to even though direction of the changes makes for better combat and more build variety.
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  • blnchk
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    Bar setups with situational skills would be great. Essentially because for me, rotations do not equal fun gameplay. We shall see, however, how all this actually plays out over the course of this patch cycle. More importantly, I am not confident that any changes made now, be they positive or negative, will last for more than three months.
    Edited by blnchk on September 17, 2019 7:53AM
  • Amoureros
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    Totally agree with dot management not being fun.
  • Vapirko
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    It’s just going to further promote block builds and tank builds. Dots are what put the pressure on them. Now anyone should be able to shrug off dot pressure as is.
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    I wished personally that ZOS would have approached the different dot categories a bit more refined.

    Something like:

    ground aoe class: 2x spammable
    ground aoe universial: 1.75 x spammable
    aoe class: 1.5 x spammable
    aoe universial: 1.25 x spammable
    single class: 1.75x spammable
    single universial: 1.5.x spammable

    With timers as are on pts. I do think dots are are too weak as they are on pts and this would be more of a middle ground.
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  • Moonsorrow
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    Derra wrote: »
    I wished personally that ZOS would have approached the different dot categories a bit more refined.

    Something like:

    ground aoe class: 2x spammable
    ground aoe universial: 1.75 x spammable
    aoe class: 1.5 x spammable
    aoe universial: 1.25 x spammable
    single class: 1.75x spammable
    single universial: 1.5.x spammable

    With timers as are on pts. I do think dots are are too weak as they are on pts and this would be more of a middle ground.

    This. This please. Would make class and universal skills feel different and not just different color animations with a possible side function.
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    Derra wrote: »
    I wished personally that ZOS would have approached the different dot categories a bit more refined.

    Something like:

    ground aoe class: 2x spammable
    ground aoe universial: 1.75 x spammable
    aoe class: 1.5 x spammable
    aoe universial: 1.25 x spammable
    single class: 1.75x spammable
    single universial: 1.5.x spammable

    With timers as are on pts. I do think dots are are too weak as they are on pts and this would be more of a middle ground.

    Yup 50-60% on single target dots is to severe. There was a reason why almost nobody used them or just some of them. Nothing changed on ZOS side, they don't know how to adjust things, they buff them into the sky or nerf into the ground.
    I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.
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    Derra wrote: »
    I wished personally that ZOS would have approached the different dot categories a bit more refined.

    Something like:

    ground aoe class: 2x spammable
    ground aoe universial: 1.75 x spammable
    aoe class: 1.5 x spammable
    aoe universial: 1.25 x spammable
    single class: 1.75x spammable
    single universial: 1.5.x spammable

    With timers as are on pts. I do think dots are are too weak as they are on pts and this would be more of a middle ground.

    The why would anyone ever use non-class skills?
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  • Moonsorrow
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    I wished personally that ZOS would have approached the different dot categories a bit more refined.

    Something like:

    ground aoe class: 2x spammable
    ground aoe universial: 1.75 x spammable
    aoe class: 1.5 x spammable
    aoe universial: 1.25 x spammable
    single class: 1.75x spammable
    single universial: 1.5.x spammable

    With timers as are on pts. I do think dots are are too weak as they are on pts and this would be more of a middle ground.

    The why would anyone ever use non-class skills?

    For many reasons, class/stam/mag build limitations, passives, weapon passives & proccing enchants with weapon ground aoe.. and people using class skills on a game with classes is sort of working as intended, eh?
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    Moonsorrow wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    I wished personally that ZOS would have approached the different dot categories a bit more refined.

    Something like:

    ground aoe class: 2x spammable
    ground aoe universial: 1.75 x spammable
    aoe class: 1.5 x spammable
    aoe universial: 1.25 x spammable
    single class: 1.75x spammable
    single universial: 1.5.x spammable

    With timers as are on pts. I do think dots are are too weak as they are on pts and this would be more of a middle ground.

    The why would anyone ever use non-class skills?

    For many reasons, class/stam/mag build limitations, passives, weapon passives & proccing enchants with weapon ground aoe.. and people using class skills on a game with classes is sort of working as intended, eh?

    ^for the reasons above and also to add functionality that their class toolkit does not provide.
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  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    I wished personally that ZOS would have approached the different dot categories a bit more refined.

    Something like:

    ground aoe class: 2x spammable
    ground aoe universial: 1.75 x spammable
    aoe class: 1.5 x spammable
    aoe universial: 1.25 x spammable
    single class: 1.75x spammable
    single universial: 1.5.x spammable

    With timers as are on pts. I do think dots are are too weak as they are on pts and this would be more of a middle ground.

    The why would anyone ever use non-class skills?

    Because they don't have class skills.
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    Don't forget that Relequen stays as it is.

    I can see new meta with dedicated Relequen keepers sticked to boss, and two or three DDs that take care of adds.
    Edited by Olupajmibanan on September 17, 2019 9:47AM
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