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Werewolf farming becoming a big problem.

NyteJade
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I know some people have been banned for this and I've reported 4 in the last 3 days for it myself.

Here's the problem. You have level 50 players who camp the spawns for werewolves and vampires and kill them as soon as they spawn. Then they tell you that to get the WW or vamp mutation you have to pay them several thousand gold to bite you.

This could be remedied by making the spawns invisible to players who have already been bitten, making the spawns much more random and in more than just a few well known locations, or taking out the 'bite' feature all together.

Something does need to be done about it. I'm sure the devs didn't intend for this to be an economic exploit.

(edited for typo)
Edited by NyteJade on April 15, 2014 12:57PM
  • KerinKor
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    The devs don't really see it as a problem, they've more or less said so .. their only helpful suggestion was that there are more spawns, go find them.

    I'd provide a link but it's dropped off Dev Tracker and I CBA going to search for it. They've not said they'll NOT do anything but their tone clearly suggested to me "don't hold your breath".
    Edited by KerinKor on April 15, 2014 12:44PM
  • sinz_xb16_ESO
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    They should fix the Werewolf/Vampire skill lines first, because right now there isn't even a point in being one, because all the abilities/passives are horribly broken.
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  • Belrim
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    Are the werewolf / vampire spawn places fixed, or random?

    If fixed, then this indeed is a problem that needs to be fixed. They are already taking action against dungeon boss farming, this is, basically, same tihng. Bots can be used in both things.

    but if the locations are random, its not a problem at all.
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  • JohnG
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    Give it time and this issue will fix itself. My guess within a month or two there will be so many vamps/wolfs out there that you'll be able to get people to bite you free or close to it. Right now its just in limited supply so people are trying trying to make a killing at it.
  • NyteJade
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    @Belrim they are fixed and at this point there are 3 known locations for a zone in each faction, (Bangkorai for DC, Reaper's Marsh for AD, and Rift for EP). I think if it they were random through out the zones it would take care of a lot of the problem.
  • LjMjollnir
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    Well the way it is now.. there are a few of us vampires around that are not charging for bites.. eventually there will be a decent size or vamps around and if you want a bite it will just be a matter of finding someone.. once there are a few more of us there is no way they can continue to charge for it ;)

    im happy to bite people for nothing and thats all i ask of the people i bite.. dont charge.
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  • scruffycavetroll
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    can you get it from any vamp / ww, or only certain ones?

    what about that area in grahtwood where those vamps are? can you get it from them?
  • pjwrwb17_ESO
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    Are they special Werewolves is some way? Or will any werewolf do?
  • Roechacca
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    It's not worth it . Don't let em bite You ! Sure they promise ever lasting life N great fashion but can they deliver ? No . You'll just get killed even easier . Now everyones packing Silver N Sunlight ... Don't fall into bad crowds ! They just think their cool .
  • scruffycavetroll
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    roechacca wrote: »
    It's not worth it . Don't let em bite You ! Sure they promise ever lasting life N great fashion but can they deliver ? No . You'll just get killed even easier . Now everyones packing Silver N Sunlight ... Don't fall into bad crowds ! They just think their cool .

    i don't particularly care honestly, just wondering if any of the normal mobs would work, or if only certain ones will effect you.

  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    The only solution I see is removing the skill to turn other players. Maybe only temporarily but its being abused and needs to stop.
  • Roechacca
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    roechacca wrote: »
    It's not worth it . Don't let em bite You ! Sure they promise ever lasting life N great fashion but can they deliver ? No . You'll just get killed even easier . Now everyones packing Silver N Sunlight ... Don't fall into bad crowds ! They just think their cool .

    i don't particularly care honestly, just wondering if any of the normal mobs would work, or if only certain ones will effect you.

  • Tripp3r
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    i swear i saw a video or something about vampires or werewolves attacking towns and stuff....
    why haven't i seen that yet?
  • LjMjollnir
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    For the guys asking if any vampires will do.. they dont.. it has to be specific spawns in Reapers March (for Aldermi Dominion).. dont know about the other alliances.. but its the level ~40 zone .. for vampire the spawns are called Bloodfiend and from what ive heard only spawn once a week or something..

    For a player to turn you.. they need to be Rank 6 (vampire atleast.. not sure about WW).. and they need to take you to the ritual site at which point they can target you and use the "Feed" button and the player then gets infected and can do the quest to finalize the skill line ;)


    i got bitten for nothing at level 17.. teleported there by a guildy that found some.. completed the quest at 20 and have been playing normally since.. now im level 35 and rank 7 Vampire.

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  • MornaBaine
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    This is getting completely ridiculous. NOTHING but werewolves spawning for DAYS and NOW that the bloodfiends MIGHT be about to be up they take the NA servers down AGAIN?????? Between that and the losers who have nothing better to do than try to ruin the experience of players who want to do the vampire quest line I am about completely OUT of patience with this company!
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  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    For the guys asking if any vampires will do.. they dont.. it has to be specific spawns in Reapers March (for Aldermi Dominion).. dont know about the other alliances.. but its the level ~40 zone .. for vampire the spawns are called Bloodfiend and from what ive heard only spawn once a week or something..

    For a player to turn you.. they need to be Rank 6 (vampire atleast.. not sure about WW).. and they need to take you to the ritual site at which point they can target you and use the "Feed" button and the player then gets infected and can do the quest to finalize the skill line ;)


    i got bitten for nothing at level 17.. teleported there by a guildy that found some.. completed the quest at 20 and have been playing normally since.. now im level 35 and rank 7 Vampire.

    Here is another reason that they should remove the power to turn people. Low levels should not be able to go to the shrine. It was a bad idea from the start and now being abused in numerous ways like the above example. Noone should be a vampire or werewolf until the appropriate level.
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    Well the way it is now.. there are a few of us vampires around that are not charging for bites.. eventually there will be a decent size or vamps around and if you want a bite it will just be a matter of finding someone.. once there are a few more of us there is no way they can continue to charge for it ;)

    im happy to bite people for nothing and thats all i ask of the people i bite.. dont charge.

    I will definitely not charge IF I can ever manage to get one of my characters infected. It seems Zenimax itself is doing its best to keep players from even getting the opportunity to see the bloodfiends. I am SOOO angry about this, silly as it is. What the hell gives????

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  • MornaBaine
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    KerinKor wrote: »
    The devs don't really see it as a problem, they've more or less said so .. their only helpful suggestion was that there are more spawns, go find them.

    I'd provide a link but it's dropped off Dev Tracker and I CBA going to search for it. They've not said they'll NOT do anything but their tone clearly suggested to me "don't hold your breath".

    That's infuriating. I play this game (and pay for it) in order to have fun, not to be griefed by other players who happen to be sociopathic. Zenimax NEEDS to remedy this situation and do it STAT.
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  • Nohvin
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    roechacca wrote: »
    It's not worth it . Don't let em bite You ! Sure they promise ever lasting life N great fashion but can they deliver ? No . You'll just get killed even easier . Now everyones packing Silver N Sunlight ... Don't fall into bad crowds ! They just think their cool .

    i don't particularly care honestly, just wondering if any of the normal mobs would work, or if only certain ones will effect you.
    It's only "rare" spawns that can infect, and they supposedly only spawn around midnight (not sure if that's EST or what) and supposedly only once per night. However, it only takes 2 or 3 hits to be infected.
    Tripp3r wrote: »
    i swear i saw a video or something about vampires or werewolves attacking towns and stuff....
    why haven't i seen that yet?

    In one of the trailers you saw a werewolf attacking in Mournhold, that quest had been confirmed to not exist.
    Edited by Nohvin on April 15, 2014 2:04PM
  • Doowie
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    NyteJade wrote: »
    I know some people have been banned for this and I've reported 4 in the last 3 days for it myself.

    Yeah right ... next they will be banning people for killing others in PvP.

    I will kill any NPC I want. If I see Bloodfiends or Werewolves I will kill them.

    It's like the same players who whine because you kill a quest NPC they were about to go too. Your name is not bound to that mob, if it's there and attackable ANYONE can kill it.
    Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 15, 2014 2:03PM
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  • poochie
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    I think Cyrodiil should be another zone for doing these since Cyrodiil rises in level with the player even though everything in Cyrodiil is 50. There are spots with vampires and werewolves already fixed with respawns. Has anyone tried to get hit by vampires from the mini-anchors in Reapers March? I know some spawn like lvl 40 mobs.
  • drowned.thought_ESO
    NyteJade wrote: »
    I know some people have been banned for this and I've reported 4 in the last 3 days for it myself....

    (edited for typo)

    Yeah I saw the same thing, here's a tip. If you see a bunch of people there, go find a different spawn. There's maybe 4 out of 20-30 spawns listed online. On the right night you almost have to avoid them.

    After getting bitten I spent as long as I could to get up to a high enough level, I was 23 and was level 30 when I completed the quest, to kill the snow troll and then I had to get my werewolf skill up to level 6 so I could use bloodmoon. After all that I spent the next 30 min trying to sell a bite.

    Got about 80-100 offers.
    Sold to a group friends who wanted to get one of them bitten so they could bite the other 2 for 20,000 gold.
    Now I can get a primal motif without endless hours of farming, and now they can be werewolves without having to spend endless hours trying to find one to spawn. Fair trade in my opinion. Maybe not 5 months from now, but now it is.

    In order to get where I had to be to just be simply able to bite someone was hard, and most players can't do it and if they could it's once a week.
    Supply & demand gentlemen.
    Edited by drowned.thought_ESO on April 15, 2014 5:09PM
  • GrundelWolfe
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    I had no issues with getting bitten. Just have some patience, not everyone is running this "operation," and they certainly can't cover every phase.

    Having WW right now is not very fun anyway... Way too buggy, and way too much work for about 60 seconds of getting your butt kicked by mobs. The only way to get a kill as a WW right now is to find lower level mobs that are alone. Any multiple mob spawns are not possible to take out in the WW form.

    A lot of changes need to be made before this skill line becomes fun.
  • 7788b14_ESO
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    For the guys asking if any vampires will do.. they dont.. it has to be specific spawns in Reapers March (for Aldermi Dominion).. dont know about the other alliances.. but its the level ~40 zone .. for vampire the spawns are called Bloodfiend and from what ive heard only spawn once a week or something..

    For a player to turn you.. they need to be Rank 6 (vampire atleast.. not sure about WW).. and they need to take you to the ritual site at which point they can target you and use the "Feed" button and the player then gets infected and can do the quest to finalize the skill line ;)


    i got bitten for nothing at level 17.. teleported there by a guildy that found some.. completed the quest at 20 and have been playing normally since.. now im level 35 and rank 7 Vampire.

    Here is another reason that they should remove the power to turn people. Low levels should not be able to go to the shrine. It was a bad idea from the start and now being abused in numerous ways like the above example. Noone should be a vampire or werewolf until the appropriate level.

    As a low level player (first reached the spawn points at level10, then turned at 20) it was one of the best adventures I've had in an MMO. As a change of pace from grinding quests, I've always explored high levels with low level characters. Died a lot sometimes but the adventure and danger were worth it.
  • Jim_McMasterub17_ESO
    Doowie wrote: »
    NyteJade wrote: »
    I know some people have been banned for this and I've reported 4 in the last 3 days for it myself.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Yeah right ... next they will be banning people for killing others in PvP.

    I will kill any NPC I want. If I see Bloodfiends or Werewolves I will kill them. Zenimax should ban your forum access for the amount of crap you just came out with, with that first sentence.

    It's like the same players who whine because you kill a quest NPC they were about to go too. Your name is not bound to that mob, if it's there and attackable ANYONE can kill it.


    You are not only a troll, & should be banned yourself for such attitude; you are sadly misinformed.
  • 7788b14_ESO
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    The only solution I see is removing the skill to turn other players. Maybe only temporarily but its being abused and needs to stop.

    That won't stop griefers from killing the spawns. They think making it harder for other players is fun. Twisted
    Edited by 7788b14_ESO on April 15, 2014 1:56PM
  • Ulvich
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    Three days ago I came upon two werewolves near the road north of the "Frozen Ruins". At first I wasn't sure what I was looking at was for real. I had been looking for them for a long time. Anyway, I walked up and let them attack me. With that I got infected. After that I put out on "chat" their location. Within a minute the area was infected with players and both werewolves were dead. Fortunately they respawned in about 10 minutes. And again they got killed. So just as a side note: They do respawn within a few minutes. I saw the same two respawn twice.
    Edited by Ulvich on April 15, 2014 4:29PM
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  • Nohvin
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    I had no issues with getting bitten. Just have some patience, not everyone is running this "operation," and they certainly can't cover every phase.

    Having WW right now is not very fun anyway... Way too buggy, and way too much work for about 60 seconds of getting your butt kicked by mobs. The only way to get a kill as a WW right now is to find lower level mobs that are alone. Any multiple mob spawns are not possible to take out in the WW form.

    A lot of changes need to be made before this skill line becomes fun.

    Glad to see there are others out there that aren't using it as a way to make a quick buck. The only thing I require to infect someone is their word that they aren't going to charge either.

    The charging will eventually die out altogether, and sooner rather than later. Eventually there will be enough infected for it to not be a rare thing anymore.

    Also, I have no problems with my WW line, or it's effectiveness in combat. I can slaughter larger groups that I would normally have difficulty with In Human form.

    And on a side note: to the people who say that WW/Vamp sucks because of PvP; not everyone PvPs.
  • Ulvich
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    I made a promise to myself once I got transformed (and I did). That was to roam around the lower level areas and pick someone at random. Ask them if they want the form and bite them for free. It gives them something to work towards. It makes them want to go to Riften and do the quest. It gives them a goal they want to have.
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  • GrundelWolfe
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    Nohvin wrote: »

    Also, I have no problems with my WW line, or it's effectiveness in combat. I can slaughter larger groups that I would normally have difficulty with In Human form.

    There must be a difference in our stats then. I can effectively take out multiple numbers of mobs at higher levels than me with no problem in human form, but as soon as I use WW, I just end up getting slaughtered.
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