Werewolf farming becoming a big problem.

Nohvin

GrundelWolfe wrote: »

Nohvin wrote: »

Also, I have no problems with my WW line, or it's effectiveness in combat. I can slaughter larger groups that I would normally have difficulty with In Human form.

There must be a difference in our stats then. I can effectively take out multiple numbers of mobs at higher levels than me with no problem in human form, but as soon as I use WW, I just end up getting slaughtered.

As for stats, I'm level 32 with 10 points in stamina. The other possibility is there are numerous issues where things are broken for some and not for others (like the bank issues for instance)

Heishi

I know my wife and I thoroughly disagree with this practice and both plan to take a side (her werewolf, me vampire) and get infect then pass it on as much as possible for free. If many others committed to this practice, the whole overpriced biting thing would end quickly.

Kyosji

Belrim wrote: »

Are the werewolf / vampire spawn places fixed, or random?

If fixed, then this indeed is a problem that needs to be fixed. They are already taking action against dungeon boss farming, this is, basically, same tihng. Bots can be used in both things.

but if the locations are random, its not a problem at all.

What actions are they taking with the dungeon boss farming? Last I heard from a ZOE employee, it was legal to do.

Nohvin

Heishi wrote: »

I know my wife and I thoroughly disagree with this practice and both plan to take a side (her werewolf, me vampire) and get infect then pass it on as much as possible for free. If many others committed to this practice, the whole overpriced biting thing would end quickly.

There are -lots- of us out there doing this. It'll all be over soon, and people will have to actually play the game to make their money. =]

Kyosji wrote: »

Belrim wrote: »

Are the werewolf / vampire spawn places fixed, or random?

If fixed, then this indeed is a problem that needs to be fixed. They are already taking action against dungeon boss farming, this is, basically, same tihng. Bots can be used in both things.

but if the locations are random, its not a problem at all.

What actions are they taking with the dungeon boss farming? Last I heard from a ZOE employee, it was legal to do.

I've heard they're increasing spawn timers, which sucks. It's also speculation, they're not giving any hard information on it yet.

Artemesia78

Heishi wrote: »

I know my wife and I thoroughly disagree with this practice and both plan to take a side (her werewolf, me vampire) and get infect then pass it on as much as possible for free. If many others committed to this practice, the whole overpriced biting thing would end quickly.

Heishi wrote: »

I know my wife and I thoroughly disagree with this practice and both plan to take a side (her werewolf, me vampire) and get infect then pass it on as much as possible for free. If many others committed to this practice, the whole overpriced biting thing would end quickly.

I am planning on doing the same, as are many others i have spoken with.

Heishi

I just had a thought about having a guild dedicated to the free spread of both vampirism and lycanthropy. I don't know how interest people will be but it was something I figured I would try.

Please see http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/79117/supernatural-safe-haven#latest @Nohvin @KerinKor‌ @ljmjollnirrwb17_ESO‌ @MornaBaine‌ @Ulvich‌

JasonConstantine

We also have guild dedicated to spreading Vampirism Freely. If you are interested hit up @Kuthel in game, we currently have over 125 active members, Teamspeak, Guild events, and some people even RP a bit, RP is NOT required. We do nightly events, its a lot of fun. We are an older player base 25 to 40 years of age, and we dont tolerate "Will you bite me" in guild chat. Hit us up for a mature fun and excellent guild with all aspects of game play.

Stanley

Belrim wrote: »

Are the werewolf / vampire spawn places fixed, or random?

If fixed, then this indeed is a problem that needs to be fixed. They are already taking action against dungeon boss farming, this is, basically, same tihng. Bots can be used in both things.

but if the locations are random, its not a problem at all.

This is just ***.

Botting is botting .. camping mobs is not botting. Why not have the boss of the various dungeons spawn randomly in the world too eh ?

davidhorstub17_ESO

give us the damn bite through a paywall, you cant make vampire so insanely overpowered for pvp then leave us to this random bs of spam checking spawns with a few hundred other people everytime the game goes dark. take my $5 i want elusive mist, i dont want to waste any more time riding around looking for these stupid mobs to get a quest that should have been a part of the games storyline to begin with.

Reenlister

Well, to bring this back up. I have seen a most interesting thing, which has made me lean to the side of the people saying something is really wrong with a portion of the players here, and does need to be addressed.
I found a werewolf spawn completely by accident, never had a desire to be one or a vamp myself. Some people came running up trying for their bite. Along with them came a group of people who immediately attacked the spawn, then began to proclaim that now anyone that needed a bite would have to pay. They also had plenty of injected taunting of everyone who was needless to say upset. Same people began to camp the site and tell everyone who came by to forget it they were killing the spawns.
So I came back to the site the next spawn, guess what, same thing.
If people don't see this as an issue and an attempt to control a spawn for profit, then they have some serious issues themselves.
If you think its ok to just do this and then be a braggart to taunt other players, then your really worthless, and should probable come to terms with the fact you have a tiny wee wee and that just because you think your a big man in a video game, your still just a pretty sad example of someone who needs to get out once and a while, oh, and you cant compensate your tiny wee wee by being a jerk in a video game.
Its still a tiny wee wee.

robert

Got bit by a WW last night. Will do the quests and give bites for free in The Rift as soon as I can level it.

Will announce in Zone Chat when my bite is up.

Ebonheart EU

DragonMother

If the farming is getting out of hand and people are still trying to "sell" their bites, check the forums for "Free Bites". I know there is a couple threads open to help encourage free-biters to sign up or make a list of contacts to be reached for bites.

HOWEVER, ZOS made it very clear that camping these spawns IS against the COC, and if the players persist to continue camping them, they can be banned, and actioned against their account for inhibiting gameplay for others.

Kyosji

Reenlister wrote: »

Well, to bring this back up. I have seen a most interesting thing, which has made me lean to the side of the people saying something is really wrong with a portion of the players here, and does need to be addressed.
I found a werewolf spawn completely by accident, never had a desire to be one or a vamp myself. Some people came running up trying for their bite. Along with them came a group of people who immediately attacked the spawn, then began to proclaim that now anyone that needed a bite would have to pay. They also had plenty of injected taunting of everyone who was needless to say upset. Same people began to camp the site and tell everyone who came by to forget it they were killing the spawns.
So I came back to the site the next spawn, guess what, same thing.
If people don't see this as an issue and an attempt to control a spawn for profit, then they have some serious issues themselves.
If you think its ok to just do this and then be a braggart to taunt other players, then your really worthless, and should probable come to terms with the fact you have a tiny wee wee and that just because you think your a big man in a video game, your still just a pretty sad example of someone who needs to get out once and a while, oh, and you cant compensate your tiny wee wee by being a jerk in a video game.
Its still a tiny wee wee.

Take screen caps of the chat of them saying this. Zeni has openly said players doing this are griefing and this act is against the ToS. Also, from what I've seen and heard, they are actually suspending some of these players. Forcing people to pay gold by killing a rare quest mob is that players way of stopping a form of game progression, which is not allowed in the rules set forth by Zeni.

Hope you got the screen caps so you can get those *** suspended.

KerinKor

DragonMother wrote: »

If the farming is getting out of hand and people are still trying to "sell" their bites, check the forums for "Free Bites". I know there is a couple threads open to help encourage free-biters to sign up or make a list of contacts to be reached for bites.

HOWEVER, ZOS made it very clear that camping these spawns IS against the COC, and if the players persist to continue camping them, they can be banned, and actioned against their account for inhibiting gameplay for others.

Link please, because the only one I saw a couple of weeks ago did NOT say any of that.

DragonMother

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi there, folks. Thank you for letting us know. We will investigate exactly what's happening here based on reports and tickets that you submit. In order to help us investigate more quickly, when you see an incident, please include the phrase "werewolf/vampire camping" in your ticket.

scruffycavetroll

roechacca wrote: »

scruffycavetroll wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

It's not worth it . Don't let em bite You ! Sure they promise ever lasting life N great fashion but can they deliver ? No . You'll just get killed even easier . Now everyones packing Silver N Sunlight ... Don't fall into bad crowds ! They just think their cool .

i don't particularly care honestly, just wondering if any of the normal mobs would work, or if only certain ones will effect you.

if i have to do the monster mash just to get attention, i ain't doin' it.

Maotti

Heishi wrote: »

I know my wife and I thoroughly disagree with this practice and both plan to take a side (her werewolf, me vampire) and get infect then pass it on as much as possible for free. If many others committed to this practice, the whole overpriced biting thing would end quickly.

This is what our group did when we got infected with vampirism. Looked at zone chat to see if anyone asked about spawns, we then whispered them and invited them to our group and let them come to be bitten. While we who already were bitten just stood in the background doing nothing.

Zephyr

Nobody has been banned for farming WW / Vamp mobs. They have made statements saying they see no problem in it.

AlexDougherty

Werewolf farming gives an image of people raising Werewolfs for food

Fenris_The_Wolf

For the record, due to what can only be a game code and/or driver build issue I've, in the week since I bought the game, not been able to actually play it for more than 30 seconds at a time before the screen goes black and I have to alt+tab out of game and kill it in task manager (that's it's own issue and I'm only bringing it up to be clear I haven't in any material sense actually played ESO, though I've owned it for a week).

The patch that failed to deploy today makes some vague references to the issue I've had. Hopefully the rather nebulous references to "occasional" freezes is their subtle way of fixing a huge compatibility issue without admitting fault. I'm manager or an IT solutions architecture firm and I am very sympathetic to how issues like this can very quickly become one product/service developer and another (in this case Zenimax and Nvidia) quickly getting into a contractual dispute over which company is responsible for deploying the work hours and resources to fixing a problem. Company to company partnership contracts are arcane and opaque at best. Given the work hours and resources Zenimax has had to bring to bear to combat the bots and spawn campers and other issues related to customers who are actually playing the game I am sympathetic to them not devoting the same effort to fixing the video driver issues of a subset of their customer population. If paying, playing customers are enraged it's even worse for the game than customers who can't play at all. That may sound like goofy logic but the rule of thumb is to protect the established customer base before those that might not ever become full blown customers. If you lose the customers that have invested real time and care and devotion to the game you've lost the pillar of your revenue model. It occurs to me I stated earlier that I was only bringing it up to explain that I'm not currently an official, active player but have gone on a long tangent.

I digress; I've already made this post much longer than it needs to be to make a very simple point: I would never charge a fee of another player for something like vampirism. If I manage to acquire it (I've played every Elder Scrolls game made but became a fan of vampirism in the past two iterations) I'll happily give the bite for free to anyone who asks. I'd be thrilled if another player offered to infect me for free, why wouldn't I extend the same courtesy to other players? We'er all contributors to the same community, aren't we? We're all paying a great developer to create and maintain something we derive great enjoyment from, aren't we? What's the bloody point of online games if you don't get some sense of community, of shared experience, of participation in the same endeavor,of, frankly, collectively funding, enjoying and expanding an experience we all enjoy?

Kyosji

Zephyr wrote: »

Nobody has been banned for farming WW / Vamp mobs. They have made statements saying they see no problem in it.

You're confusing the boss farming and vamp/ww spawn killing. There have been a few ZOE posts stating quite clearly that killing these mobs off for the sake of either making it where others cannot complete the quest, or forcing them to pay for the bites is against the games code of conduct. Not once have I seen the Zeni crew come out and say there was no problem in killing the mobs. I even remember someone trying to defend it calling it role playing, but the ZOE staff told them there is a limit, and if it impedes on someone else completing the quest, it was not allowed.

wrlifeboil

DragonMother wrote: »

If the farming is getting out of hand and people are still trying to "sell" their bites, check the forums for "Free Bites". I know there is a couple threads open to help encourage free-biters to sign up or make a list of contacts to be reached for bites.

HOWEVER, ZOS made it very clear that camping these spawns IS against the COC, and if the players persist to continue camping them, they can be banned, and actioned against their account for inhibiting gameplay for others.

I have to think that you made this up. It doesn't block progression. Preventing others from getting the bite seems to be the game working as intended.

The devs could have designed it so that those already infected wouldn't be able to see or target the spawns. They didn't.

Lalaeith

I got the infection today in the very last minute before maintenance because some very nice player grouped with me and showed me where the fiends were. There were no people slaughtering them. So it is still possible because there are many more spawnpoints than the well know that are camped by many people wanting to become a vampire/werewolf every night.

I still think, killing the spawns just to sell bites is not ok. There will always be 'lazy' people or people who want to spend their time differently than running from spawnpoint to spawnpoint that will buy bites and that's totally legit, but taking the option for players away to chose the traditional way is just not fair gameplay. The spawns are already very rare and it takes a lot of patience. That should be enough for keeping your price up.

To those who want to get infected by a spawn: don't be discouraged! it is still perfectly possible to either meet someone awesome like I did today, or be lucky and stumble across a spawn that has not been killed yourself. It will just take time and patience. And I will also give my bite away once I get the ability.

wrlifeboil

Lalaeith wrote: »

I got the infection today in the very last minute before maintenance because some very nice player grouped with me and showed me where the fiends were. There were no people slaughtering them. So it is still possible because there are many more spawnpoints than the well know that are camped by many people wanting to become a vampire/werewolf every night.

I still think, killing the spawns just to sell bites is not ok. There will always be 'lazy' people or people who want to spend their time differently than running from spawnpoint to spawnpoint that will buy bites and that's totally legit, but taking the option for players away to chose the traditional way is just not fair gameplay. The spawns are already very rare and it takes a lot of patience. That should be enough for keeping your price up.

To those who want to get infected by a spawn: don't be discouraged! it is still perfectly possible to either meet someone awesome like I did today, or be lucky and stumble across a spawn that has not been killed yourself. It will just take time and patience. And I will also give my bite away once I get the ability.

If you want little or no competition for resources, play early in the morning (around 4am-5am EDT) when hardly anyone else is around on the NA megaserver. Seems odd given that the megaserver is supposed to maintain a certain level of player population but it must also include the offline.

KerinKor

Kyosji wrote: »

Zephyr wrote: »

Nobody has been banned for farming WW / Vamp mobs. They have made statements saying they see no problem in it.

You're confusing the boss farming and vamp/ww spawn killing. .

There was a post listed in Dev Tracker when this was first raised a couple of weeks or more ago that said they didn't consider it a problem. Moreover, a follow-up blithely told players "go find the other spawns", that's what they said!

Sadly, since Dev Tracker isn't a forum but simply a newspaper front page it's now impossible to find that original comment.

If they've change their stance then that hasn't been posted where Dev Tracker has picked it up.

KerinKor

Kyosji wrote: »

Zephyr wrote: »

Nobody has been banned for farming WW / Vamp mobs. They have made statements saying they see no problem in it.

You're confusing the boss farming and vamp/ww spawn killing. There have been a few ZOE posts stating quite clearly that killing these mobs off for the sake of either making it where others cannot complete the quest, or forcing them to pay for the bites is against the games code of conduct. Not once have I seen the Zeni crew come out and say there was no problem in killing the mobs. I even remember someone trying to defend it calling it role playing, but the ZOE staff told them there is a limit, and if it impedes on someone else completing the quest, it was not allowed.

DragonMother wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi there, folks. Thank you for letting us know. We will investigate exactly what's happening here based on reports and tickets that you submit. In order to help us investigate more quickly, when you see an incident, please include the phrase "werewolf/vampire camping" in your ticket.

That was posted on 10 April, the following day this was added to that thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/74574/psa-stop-the-werewolf-vampire-grieifing-want-to-be-a-were-vamp-think-again/p7

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys! Just wanted to give you all a quick update on this. We still have a close eye on the situation, and we will be taking action on anyone who is violating our Terms of Service by charging real money or scamming other players.

We'd also like to remind you that there are multiple spawn points to get bit. Of course, we're not going to tell you where they are exactly. You'll have to explore to find them!

There is NOTHING in that statement that says CAMPING is against the TOS, only that charging real money of 'scamming' is and 'scamming' is not defined anywhere as taking in-game gold for providing a service.

You may WANT ZOS to be viewing it the way you do, but that's not what they've said.

Artos_Rudric

Heishi wrote: »

I just had a thought about having a guild dedicated to the free spread of both vampirism and lycanthropy. I don't know how interest people will be but it was something I figured I would try.

Please see http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/79117/supernatural-safe-haven#latest @Nohvin @KerinKor‌ @ljmjollnirrwb17_ESO‌ @MornaBaine‌ @Ulvich‌

The Brothers Rudric is a new Guild trying to begin this process. We have two Vampires and are working towards Werewolves too, for a community with a fair waiting list to get bitten as soon as possible. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Stories-Bones-Tell

It could easily be remedied by not incorporate vamps/werewolves in such an asinine way. All I can think is.. "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?". Instance the zones, tie them into a quest line, give them more than one zone to spawn in, make them a crown item. There are many ways this issue could be resolved.