If you want us to play in Imperial City, you need to disable the gankers camping outside the bases

Dusk_Coven · September 2019

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

i understand what peeps are saying about just wanting to get tickets in ic, yes use detec pots but they dont always work like mage light, nb's just recloak in under a sec, best piece of advice i can give is go with a crowd and use reveal flare, also have immov pots

How do any of those work when they kill you before you finish loading because they are getting where they aren't supposed to be able to go? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6331925/#Comment_6331925

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · September 2019

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

i understand what peeps are saying about just wanting to get tickets in ic, yes use detec pots but they dont always work like mage light, nb's just recloak in under a sec, best piece of advice i can give is go with a crowd and use reveal flare, also have immov pots

How do any of those work when they kill you before you finish loading because they are getting where they aren't supposed to be able to go? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6331925/#Comment_6331925

proc the immov pot before u go through the door and go into sneak, also why not try and go to the districts and come down one of the ladders to the sewers

Dusk_Coven · September 2019

Major_Lag wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

(...) because the PvE zone is too busy with an event at the moment and sometimes people hope to get some questing done there.

Historically, the experience with past PvPvE events has repeatedly confirmed the same thing: that mixing PvP and PvE content in a single zone never works, will never work, and all it results in is endless griefing.

In the case with SWTOR, the PvE questing portion is just mirrored because they duplicated the entire PvE zone. They also added extra PvE content that is supposed to be fought over by guilds in a faction-based PvP manner.
Except guilds don't even organize to go and do that. So those special NPCs that drop special guild mats get killed in a PvE manner similar to how we do world bosses here. Very rarely do guilds end up clashing and even more rarely do they organize to fight big guilds that go there to get the guild mats.

The ONLY place I've seen open world PvP work is Wings of Destiny.
After the initial zones, everything is theoretically open world PvP. Except even in highly populated older servers, NO ONE randomly attacks anyone. In fact people help each other get PvP matches because they have a mostly-proper league system there and there often aren't enough top-tier toons for those players to finish their PvP dailies.
But that was years ago and I don't know what it's like now.
It certainly wasn't a community of cheesers and exploiters we have here.

Really the only benefit of open world PvP is you can kill botters.

Hallothiel · September 2019

To those still missing the salient point - It’s not the annoying ganking whilst out & about in the sewers (however annoying it may be, it’s legit), it’s the idiots up on the supposedly safe platforms killing people whilst they are loading in. Which is not legit.

New players might not necessarily know about all the other ways in - but that in some ways is utterly irrelevant as camping the platform is an exploit and do people should not have to be going all round the houses to avoid it - should be able to damn well just get into the bloody sewers before they get killed.

Once drop down off the platform? Everyone is fair game 😈

MajBludd · September 2019

These are probably the same people who gate camp in cyro.

Zombabe1 · September 2019

Three dc on the platform as I entered the sewers two nights ago I popped a detect pot and killed all 3, whilst they were panicking spamming cloak like complete idiots, and gained 20k telvar in about a minute 😁. Waited a while for them to come back with some more telvar for me but no luck 😔 but big thanks for the home base delivery. Much appreciated 😋👍

redlink1979 · September 2019

Jensmom wrote: »

I do not PvP as a rule. Because I am interested in having all the Indrik mounts, I am participating in the Imperial City event.

You should run PvE dungeons to get the tickets. Easier, quicker and less stressful if you aren't a PvPer.

Deathlord92 · September 2019

By the way I’m pvp and I pay eso plus and have every chapter. I have stop buying other stuff only because I am unhappy with the lag in pvp.

Wrexsoul · September 2019

Hallothiel wrote: »

To those still missing the salient point - It’s not the annoying ganking whilst out & about in the sewers (however annoying it may be, it’s legit), it’s the idiots up on the supposedly safe platforms killing people whilst they are loading in. Which is not legit.

Who said the platforms were supposed to be safe? They don't instantly kill you for being up on them like other PvP base platforms. The sewer base platforms are fair game and legit until ZOS says otherwise.

Eliahnus · September 2019

Jensmom wrote: »

I do not PvP as a rule. Because I am interested in having all the Indrik mounts, I am participating in the Imperial City event. And, let me state I really don't mind having to go into the sewers as usually my guild gets a run going once a day.

HOWEVER

I am fed up with the gankers camping the entrance to the sewers from the base camps. Quite frankly, I am fed up with the gankers all together. How many changes have the regular players had to endure because of the noisy minority? They are not the ones buying the houses, horses, furnishings and the like. The regular, PvE players are the ones spending most of the real world money. YET, we lost Earthgore (nerfed to useless) because PvP complained. Earthgore was DAMN hard to get, and there is NO way in hell that what the player went through to achieve that helm is worth the *** heal it is today! They can go invisible, but the day trippers like myself can't utilize our good PvE gear? I had a guildie try the sewers on her own for the first time the other night. Just her luck, gankers right outside base, invisible. She was ganked and camped so she couldn't even res AND came out of the experience traumatized. She will NEVER go back.

If you insist (and apparently you do, as this is not the first time) on making Cyrodiil/Imperial City mandatory during events, it seems only fair to me that you disable the advantage being invisible in a PvP area gives to certain players. OR do something so that people who want to participate aren't used as AP sources for regular PvP players. Or is ZoS feeding the noisy yet again by giving them easy kills? There is NO skill in killing a PvE player who is just there to get the ticket.

I enjoy the occasional run through PvP areas with my guildies and I accept that I will die. What I won't accept is the campers and the gankers who make each and every Cyrodiil event a misery. ZoS has seemingly been catering to the PvP player for ages now - if you want us to play in that area, you have to make it a little more fair for the "average" player.

Eliahnus · September 2019

Jensmom wrote: »

I do not PvP as a rule. Because I am interested in having all the Indrik mounts, I am participating in the Imperial City event. And, let me state I really don't mind having to go into the sewers as usually my guild gets a run going once a day.

HOWEVER

I am fed up with the gankers camping the entrance to the sewers from the base camps. Quite frankly, I am fed up with the gankers all together. How many changes have the regular players had to endure because of the noisy minority? They are not the ones buying the houses, horses, furnishings and the like. The regular, PvE players are the ones spending most of the real world money. YET, we lost Earthgore (nerfed to useless) because PvP complained. Earthgore was DAMN hard to get, and there is NO way in hell that what the player went through to achieve that helm is worth the *** heal it is today! They can go invisible, but the day trippers like myself can't utilize our good PvE gear? I had a guildie try the sewers on her own for the first time the other night. Just her luck, gankers right outside base, invisible. She was ganked and camped so she couldn't even res AND came out of the experience traumatized. She will NEVER go back.

If you insist (and apparently you do, as this is not the first time) on making Cyrodiil/Imperial City mandatory during events, it seems only fair to me that you disable the advantage being invisible in a PvP area gives to certain players. OR do something so that people who want to participate aren't used as AP sources for regular PvP players. Or is ZoS feeding the noisy yet again by giving them easy kills? There is NO skill in killing a PvE player who is just there to get the ticket.

I enjoy the occasional run through PvP areas with my guildies and I accept that I will die. What I won't accept is the campers and the gankers who make each and every Cyrodiil event a misery. ZoS has seemingly been catering to the PvP player for ages now - if you want us to play in that area, you have to make it a little more fair for the "average" player.

+100

Even better, just leave PvP out of the ticket events altogether.

kinguardian · September 2019

I get you and your friend its actually pathetic because it is no challenge for them whatsoever. Kinda sad if they find that fun and challenging. I expect in normal occasions when I run around in that zone that when I run into someone that I get killed but when it is an event just let someone get a chance to get a quick ticket and leave them be especially if they are on their own. Reminds me of wow when you start as a new player and these wankers wait for you to spawn and kill you over and over again. Sad sad sad.

Deathlord92 · September 2019

kinguardian wrote: »

I get you and your friend its actually pathetic because it is no challenge for them whatsoever. Kinda sad if they find that fun and challenging. I expect in normal occasions when I run around in that zone that when I run into someone that I get killed but when it is an event just let someone get a chance to get a quick ticket and leave them be especially if they are on their own. Reminds me of wow when you start as a new player and these wankers wait for you to spawn and kill you over and over again. Sad sad sad.

Yes but what you aren’t understanding is it’s not personal they aren’t thinking about you they want your tel ver stones and alliance points.

Deathlord92 · September 2019

To any pve player out there u must have a main class suit it up in pvp build then you can compete. If you aren’t sure what to wear look to YouTube for builds there’s so many for every class it’s crazy. I’m sure if you saw a player in vet trial in pvp build you would laugh 😂

Tigerseye · September 2019

Fortunately, my personal feeling on the subject is that ZoS can stick their recoloured Indriks up their well upholstered behinds, for all I care. :P

If I did care, however, it would be extremely annoying to me that I had to run the same two dungeons, multiple times, with someone (inevitably) saying "Can we go faster, please?", as they have already done the bloody thing on 6 chars that day alone.

Because there is absolutely no way on earth I would venture into PVP in this game, given what PVE performance is like.

...and if I ever did, it would certainly not be as a free kill for the gankers, during an event.

Tigerseye · September 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

To any pve player out there u must have a main class suit it up in pvp build then you can compete. If you aren’t sure what to wear look to YouTube for builds there’s so many for every class it’s crazy. I’m sure if you saw a player in vet trial in pvp build you would laugh 😂

Who the hell wants to do that, when they are only there to get an Indrik and will never do it again?

Tigerseye · September 2019

redlink1979 wrote: »

Jensmom wrote: »

I do not PvP as a rule. Because I am interested in having all the Indrik mounts, I am participating in the Imperial City event.

You should run PvE dungeons to get the tickets. Easier, quicker and less stressful if you aren't a PvPer.

Yeah, because running the same two dungeons, repeatedly, isn't stressful at all, lol.

Deathlord92 · September 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

To any pve player out there u must have a main class suit it up in pvp build then you can compete. If you aren’t sure what to wear look to YouTube for builds there’s so many for every class it’s crazy. I’m sure if you saw a player in vet trial in pvp build you would laugh 😂

Who the hell wants to do that, when they are only there to get an Indrik and will never do it again?

I don’t know maybe someone who wants a good experience 🙂

The_Lex · September 2019

You want to get your tickets whenever you want, however your want. You are even set on removing players from a place they can legitimately be, using a playstyle that's been a thing since the fantasy genre was invented. Yet ZOS caters to PvPers?

The_Lex · September 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jensmom wrote: »

What you all fail to understand is that there IS another event where one MUST PLAY in Cyrodiil. Like I said, I don't hate PvP, but I don't love it either. From the viewpoint of the embittered healer who lost their best proc with Earthgore, I am FED UP with the catering to PvP players. It sure wasn't PvE who endlessly complained about Earthgore now was it?

IF guildies are running either of the two options, I may run them, but again, those who are available are up for only limited repeats of the same dungeon and don't even bother telling me to just wait for PUG groups where tanks are really dps.

My complaint is there is a limited way for those of us who want event tickets to accomplish the quest. I have never seen an impediment to a PvP player who wants to participate in a PvE area. If I have half an hour to accomplish something, I would prefer to do it on my own (today I changed domains and easily did it). The treatment of PvE players by SOME PvP players is wrong, and the camping of other bases for the purpose of killing PvE is one of them.

Ankael07 said:

You are not entitled to safety in PVP zones no matter how much you spend in the game

Then don't bleeping make me go!

As for Midyear Mayhem, ZOS Marketing wants you to PVP. You get to decide whether to dance to the beat of the Imperial (City) March, the Cyrodiil Cha-Cha, do the Battlegrounds Boogie, or just sit out on the side of the dance floor whining that other people are winning prizes for their dancing. Or just quietly sit out because you don't like dancing, but it doesnt bother you that others are.

That's 100% up to you.

You win the internet with this comment!

Deathlord92 · September 2019

I just want to say because there really is a lot of pve cry babies here. There are pve events to I’m pvp main it’s all I do beside from questing sometimes but guess what I have a pve build to for doing vet dungeons for tickets.

The_Lex · September 2019

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jensmom wrote: »

I do not PvP as a rule. Because I am interested in having all the Indrik mounts, I am participating in the Imperial City event. And, let me state I really don't mind having to go into the sewers as usually my guild gets a run going once a day.

HOWEVER

I am fed up with the gankers camping the entrance to the sewers from the base camps. Quite frankly, I am fed up with the gankers all together. How many changes have the regular players had to endure because of the noisy minority? They are not the ones buying the houses, horses, furnishings and the like. The regular, PvE players are the ones spending most of the real world money. YET, we lost Earthgore (nerfed to useless) because PvP complained. Earthgore was DAMN hard to get, and there is NO way in hell that what the player went through to achieve that helm is worth the *** heal it is today! They can go invisible, but the day trippers like myself can't utilize our good PvE gear? I had a guildie try the sewers on her own for the first time the other night. Just her luck, gankers right outside base, invisible. She was ganked and camped so she couldn't even res AND came out of the experience traumatized. She will NEVER go back.

If you insist (and apparently you do, as this is not the first time) on making Cyrodiil/Imperial City mandatory during events, it seems only fair to me that you disable the advantage being invisible in a PvP area gives to certain players. OR do something so that people who want to participate aren't used as AP sources for regular PvP players. Or is ZoS feeding the noisy yet again by giving them easy kills? There is NO skill in killing a PvE player who is just there to get the ticket.

I enjoy the occasional run through PvP areas with my guildies and I accept that I will die. What I won't accept is the campers and the gankers who make each and every Cyrodiil event a misery. ZoS has seemingly been catering to the PvP player for ages now - if you want us to play in that area, you have to make it a little more fair for the "average" player.

Honestly 'ganker's are so bad now if you die to one its your fault. Don't run around on a non optimal build and then cry when you die because of it.

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Gankers are free kills.

This is so true. I can't even tell you how many times a would-be ganker has failed to take me down in this event. Bombers have been even worse.

I figure it's because people are "trying out" that playstyle due to the event. Most people have no idea how difficult it is to pull off a solid gank/bomb.

Ryath_Waylander · September 2019

Just a qwessie on this point, I have no problem dying to gankers. I am a pve player but understand that this is just a different playstyle/skill set. What I don't understand is, how do they manage to get up onto the platform outside the DC home base exit? I have tried but it's physically too high for my toon. I'd need a ladder? Not crying, just curious. They were easy enough to escape with invis/immovable pots and shield as they didn't seem interested in leaving their vantage point by the door.

VaranisArano · September 2019

The_Lex wrote: »

You want to get your tickets whenever you want, however your want. You are even set on removing players from a place they can legitimately be, using a playstyle that's been a thing since the fantasy genre was invented. Yet ZOS caters to PvPers?

Asking that PVPers not to exploit by camping a spawn location they shouldnt be able to reach is a legitimate request.

The rest of the hand-wringing is the same old, same old we see every year this event with the slightly new twist that PVEers actually DO have a PVE-only option but for some reason chose not to use it.

RodneyRegis · September 2019

TRAUMATISED!

The_Lex · September 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

You want to get your tickets whenever you want, however your want. You are even set on removing players from a place they can legitimately be, using a playstyle that's been a thing since the fantasy genre was invented. Yet ZOS caters to PvPers?

Asking that PVPers not to exploit by camping a spawn location they shouldnt be able to reach is a legitimate request.

The rest of the hand-wringing is the same old, same old we see every year this event with the slightly new twist that PVEers actually DO have a PVE-only option but for some reason chose not to use it.

I will agree that if they are on the platform, then that is unintended. ZOS should make that a safe zone. But if it's on the ground meat the other door, them no, that's legit. And this is coming from someone that doesn't gank or use his nightblade in pvp.

VaranisArano · September 2019

The_Lex wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

You want to get your tickets whenever you want, however your want. You are even set on removing players from a place they can legitimately be, using a playstyle that's been a thing since the fantasy genre was invented. Yet ZOS caters to PvPers?

Asking that PVPers not to exploit by camping a spawn location they shouldnt be able to reach is a legitimate request.

The rest of the hand-wringing is the same old, same old we see every year this event with the slightly new twist that PVEers actually DO have a PVE-only option but for some reason chose not to use it.

I will agree that if they are on the platform, then that is unintended. ZOS should make that a safe zone. But if it's on the ground meat the other door, them no, that's legit. And this is coming from someone that doesn't gank or use his nightblade in pvp.

Agreed.

I do wish ZOS were more consistent with their safe zones. IC spawn points could certainly be better protected if ZOS intends them to be inaccessible. Cyrodiil got hit hard by the inconsistency - ZOS removed resource doors, but didnt change a number of other buildings on the map so killing people in load screens is still very possible.

xbangax · September 2019

About a day or two ago there was a blue dragonknight near AD base that killed about 8 of us at least 10 times in a row while hoping around until we killed him about 10 minutes later. I was just trying to get to the first boss so I get my tickets and gtfo!

Some of these players seem damn near immortal lol

redlink1979 · September 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

Jensmom wrote: »

I do not PvP as a rule. Because I am interested in having all the Indrik mounts, I am participating in the Imperial City event.

You should run PvE dungeons to get the tickets. Easier, quicker and less stressful if you aren't a PvPer.

Yeah, because running the same two dungeons, repeatedly, isn't stressful at all, lol.

What's to stress about running a dungeon in normal mode?! How many minutes do you think 4 players at 810cp need? Lol

Urvoth · September 2019

Sounds like a combination of l2p, overreaction, and poor game understanding.

As a PvPer who has also PvE’d at a much higher level then most proclaimed PvErs, I definitely would not agree that PvErs spend the most money on the game. Virtually all the regular PvPers at least have multiple crown store limited mounts, with most having a various selection of apex ones. At the very least, nearly all of them pay for ESO+ just for the craft bag/transmute increase because they run through potions like crazy and regularly need transmutes for build testing. On top of that though, PvPers have the most dripped-out flex outfits/costumes possible compared to a lot of PvErs that just wear a polymorph.

If you want to look at the very top tier end though, you have to look at housing since making a good house costs millions in gold and often thousands and thousands of crowns. Unless they’re a PvE housing specialist, I haven’t experienced PvErs spend anywhere close to the amount of time/money on a house compared to PvPers. Dedicated PvPers are the tier of player that will spend millions of gold and hundreds of dollars worth of crowns just to have a dripped-out place to duel friends, build ult, make pots, store builds, swap mundus stones, etc.