OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Hello developers. Want to suggest to add Minor Defile to the ability of Detonating Siphon. This ability has disease damage and it is thematically important to add such a minor debuff to the spell. Thank you!
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Hello developers. Want to suggest to add Minor Defile to the ability of Detonating Siphon. This ability has disease damage and it is thematically important to add such a minor debuff to the spell. Thank you!
Even if it was thematically important it shouldn't be buffed. Basing buffs and nerfs off of the "theme" of a skill is quite possibly the dumbest idea I have ever heard of. No.
Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »How often do you see people using Detonating Siphon. Probably not. This will give a great opportunity and potential for ability.
People are talking about OP when the ability is not used at all.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
You must not know your own class. Blast Bones literally already applies Major Defile. Being able to stack both Major and Minor Defile would be hilariously overtuned.
tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »People who avoid using detty siphon in PvP (only place defile would matter) do so because it's clunky to land and the direct-line AoE is easy to avoid in PvP settings
I imagine the devs would sooner fix a usage problem with the skill rather than make thematic adjustments to a class they claim already has a good identity
Maybe try Thurvokun for flavor & debuffs?
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Detonating Siphon is a disease damage aoe dot, so doesn't already have a 1% chance to apply defile per damage tick just like any other source of disease damage?
Doesn't matter, no one would use it in pvp, even with a FREE cost.
But, you can do lethal arrow or a disease glyph to apply minor defile on top of major from BB.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Neither am I. Learn to read.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Neither am I. Learn to read.
If it was important information the answer would be in a different form.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Neither am I. Learn to read.
If it was important information the answer would be in a different form.
Same can be said about this thread in general.
Anyway I explained why minor defile added to siphon is a bad idea. If You dont agree bring some counterarguments against my arguments. Of course after You'll understand first what I was saying.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Neither am I. Learn to read.
If it was important information the answer would be in a different form.
Same can be said about this thread in general.
Anyway I explained why minor defile added to siphon is a bad idea. If You dont agree bring some counterarguments against my arguments. Of course after You'll understand first what I was saying.
You have no arguments. Your opinion is not an argument and how you talk (should, learn, etc.) with you it makes no sense to debate. This theme for developers and you here a guest.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Neither am I. Learn to read.
If it was important information the answer would be in a different form.
Same can be said about this thread in general.
Anyway I explained why minor defile added to siphon is a bad idea. If You dont agree bring some counterarguments against my arguments. Of course after You'll understand first what I was saying.
You have no arguments. Your opinion is not an argument and how you talk (should, learn, etc.) with you it makes no sense to debate. This theme for developers and you here a guest.
Actually You saying I have no arguments is more of a opinion then what I said. My argument is that having both major and minor defile on 1 class is overkill since it grants 45% heal cut in no CP and ~60% heal cut in CP and it's way too easy to achieve. Also there is no "theme" that connects disease dmg with minor defile in the game. Disease dmg is connected to major defile through disease status effect. Prove me wrong if You think otherwise and provide arguments for that.
But I understand since Your arguments are riggid You dont want to take contructive discussion about it. You just have Your opinion and You dont want to discuss it You just want to push Your agenda hoping it'll have some impact on developers decisions (side note : it wont). Also forum is opened for everyone not just for developers so if You post something here You post it for everyone not for devs only. You're guest here same as everyone else and fact You've created that thread doesnt give You any rights over others who will post here.
As for You post subject devs already said multiple times during eso lives they preffer threads that provide some reliable data with detailed informations and possibly some calculations for why certain thing should happen and since You provide nothing like that it's safe to say Your thread will be completly ignored by devs.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Neither am I. Learn to read.
If it was important information the answer would be in a different form.
Same can be said about this thread in general.
Anyway I explained why minor defile added to siphon is a bad idea. If You dont agree bring some counterarguments against my arguments. Of course after You'll understand first what I was saying.
You have no arguments. Your opinion is not an argument and how you talk (should, learn, etc.) with you it makes no sense to debate. This theme for developers and you here a guest.
Actually You saying I have no arguments is more of a opinion then what I said. My argument is that having both major and minor defile on 1 class is overkill since it grants 45% heal cut in no CP and ~60% heal cut in CP and it's way too easy to achieve. Also there is no "theme" that connects disease dmg with minor defile in the game. Disease dmg is connected to major defile through disease status effect. Prove me wrong if You think otherwise and provide arguments for that.
But I understand since Your arguments are riggid You dont want to take contructive discussion about it. You just have Your opinion and You dont want to discuss it You just want to push Your agenda hoping it'll have some impact on developers decisions (side note : it wont). Also forum is opened for everyone not just for developers so if You post something here You post it for everyone not for devs only. You're guest here same as everyone else and fact You've created that thread doesnt give You any rights over others who will post here.
As for You post subject devs already said multiple times during eso lives they preffer threads that provide some reliable data with detailed informations and possibly some calculations for why certain thing should happen and since You provide nothing like that it's safe to say Your thread will be completly ignored by devs.
So much text. If you consider that word MANY this your argument the you contrary very hard. It's all the same opinion. I wrote to you that you are a guest in my theme and I don't feel the need to read carefully what you write, so relax. Stam necromancer is positioned as the murderer of healing so I made a proposal how to improve one of the skills of the necromancer and to develop this theme.
In my last post I fully explained how this can be done.
P. S. For dire people still times closing, you in my topic with his truth. If you are so sure of the truth and developers will not pay attention to it why you so burn.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Neither am I. Learn to read.
If it was important information the answer would be in a different form.
Same can be said about this thread in general.
Anyway I explained why minor defile added to siphon is a bad idea. If You dont agree bring some counterarguments against my arguments. Of course after You'll understand first what I was saying.
You have no arguments. Your opinion is not an argument and how you talk (should, learn, etc.) with you it makes no sense to debate. This theme for developers and you here a guest.
Actually You saying I have no arguments is more of a opinion then what I said. My argument is that having both major and minor defile on 1 class is overkill since it grants 45% heal cut in no CP and ~60% heal cut in CP and it's way too easy to achieve. Also there is no "theme" that connects disease dmg with minor defile in the game. Disease dmg is connected to major defile through disease status effect. Prove me wrong if You think otherwise and provide arguments for that.
But I understand since Your arguments are riggid You dont want to take contructive discussion about it. You just have Your opinion and You dont want to discuss it You just want to push Your agenda hoping it'll have some impact on developers decisions (side note : it wont). Also forum is opened for everyone not just for developers so if You post something here You post it for everyone not for devs only. You're guest here same as everyone else and fact You've created that thread doesnt give You any rights over others who will post here.
As for You post subject devs already said multiple times during eso lives they preffer threads that provide some reliable data with detailed informations and possibly some calculations for why certain thing should happen and since You provide nothing like that it's safe to say Your thread will be completly ignored by devs.
So much text. If you consider that word MANY this your argument the you contrary very hard. It's all the same opinion. I wrote to you that you are a guest in my theme and I don't feel the need to read carefully what you write, so relax. Stam necromancer is positioned as the murderer of healing so I made a proposal how to improve one of the skills of the necromancer and to develop this theme.
In my last post I fully explained how this can be done.
P. S. For dire people still times closing, you in my topic with his truth. If you are so sure of the truth and developers will not pay attention to it why you so burn.
Thanks for proving You lack any contructive arguments. Also I dont know from where You get the informations that "stam necromancer is positioned as murderer of healing". From Your head ? If Yes then GG.
As for the evidence that Your ideology is riggid we can look at history of stam necro balancing. He started with having 2 heal debuffs major defile and heal absorption debuff on stamina morph of scythe and then it was removed because developers themselves stated that having major defile and additional heal debuff on top of that was too strong. So You actually not only have no arguments for Your ideas but You also trying to contest developers ideas for the class. Good luck.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.Sorry but no. Stamina necro already have major defile in it's kit through stamina morph of blastbones. Adding minor would be complete overkill. Also I completly dont see how is it thematically important to add that debuff to siphon. Fact that it's disease dmg doesnt mean it should instantly give defile by deafault since disease dmg already have a chance to apply disease status effect which is major defile.
I'm not suggesting Major Defile. You say so yourself
Neither am I. Learn to read.
If it was important information the answer would be in a different form.
Same can be said about this thread in general.
Anyway I explained why minor defile added to siphon is a bad idea. If You dont agree bring some counterarguments against my arguments. Of course after You'll understand first what I was saying.
You have no arguments. Your opinion is not an argument and how you talk (should, learn, etc.) with you it makes no sense to debate. This theme for developers and you here a guest.
Actually You saying I have no arguments is more of a opinion then what I said. My argument is that having both major and minor defile on 1 class is overkill since it grants 45% heal cut in no CP and ~60% heal cut in CP and it's way too easy to achieve. Also there is no "theme" that connects disease dmg with minor defile in the game. Disease dmg is connected to major defile through disease status effect. Prove me wrong if You think otherwise and provide arguments for that.
But I understand since Your arguments are riggid You dont want to take contructive discussion about it. You just have Your opinion and You dont want to discuss it You just want to push Your agenda hoping it'll have some impact on developers decisions (side note : it wont). Also forum is opened for everyone not just for developers so if You post something here You post it for everyone not for devs only. You're guest here same as everyone else and fact You've created that thread doesnt give You any rights over others who will post here.
As for You post subject devs already said multiple times during eso lives they preffer threads that provide some reliable data with detailed informations and possibly some calculations for why certain thing should happen and since You provide nothing like that it's safe to say Your thread will be completly ignored by devs.
So much text. If you consider that word MANY this your argument the you contrary very hard. It's all the same opinion. I wrote to you that you are a guest in my theme and I don't feel the need to read carefully what you write, so relax. Stam necromancer is positioned as the murderer of healing so I made a proposal how to improve one of the skills of the necromancer and to develop this theme.
In my last post I fully explained how this can be done.
P. S. For dire people still times closing, you in my topic with his truth. If you are so sure of the truth and developers will not pay attention to it why you so burn.
Thanks for proving You lack any contructive arguments. Also I dont know from where You get the informations that "stam necromancer is positioned as murderer of healing". From Your head ? If Yes then GG.
As for the evidence that Your ideology is riggid we can look at history of stam necro balancing. He started with having 2 heal debuffs major defile and heal absorption debuff on stamina morph of scythe and then it was removed because developers themselves stated that having major defile and additional heal debuff on top of that was too strong. So You actually not only have no arguments for Your ideas but You also trying to contest developers ideas for the class. Good luck.
At least my head isn't on fire. Bye bye.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »Bye bye.
P. S. Important post is closed as there is trolling
For Detonating Siphon need perma minor defile without time only for those who are standing in a puddle or in the channel. Evade or move will help to get out of debuff. Then this spell will start working without fanaticism.
magictucktuck wrote: »I love my necro but damn make siphon ssuck the soul out of a living enemy so we don't need a corpse. It doesn't matter for Pve but it's useless in pvp
leepalmer95 wrote: »Read bits of this thread.
OP bascially saying do this and ignoring any feedback on it.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Read bits of this thread.
OP bascially saying do this and ignoring any feedback on it.
I ignore only the feedback of one person who tried to teach me life.
P. S. For Detonating Siphon need perma minor defile without time only for those who are standing in a puddle or in the channel. Evade or move will help to get out of debuff. Then this spell will start working, without fanaticism.