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I haven't received a 50 crystal Transmute Geode in months... Was Imperial City gimped by ZOS?

  • Malamar1229
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    IC should be a pve zone
  • nosecookie
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    It has something to do with this thread. I mean you get at least Tel Var Stones in IC for being useless to the campaign effort.

    All the others get their monthly rewards for not abandoning their factions instead. @Emma_Overload
    Edited by nosecookie on September 4, 2019 3:30PM
  • Trandaner
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    Trandaner wrote: »
    hasi wrote: »
    nosecookie wrote: »
    Why is his opnion irrelevant?

    Because he obviously doesn't care about the Imperial City or what goes on there.

    Listen, I did play Imperial City since it released. Got less and less over the Years, because I see no point in doing it.

    I do care about the Game and IC is part of that, but what you are saying is absolutely not thought through.
    Your arguments make no sense:



    "What do you win in Cyro?"
    -What do you win in IC? In Cyro you gain Points, Scroll Boni, Transmutation Stones, Set Pieces, Emperor, Alliance Points etc. in total. Some of those you can get in IC too, yes. But not all.


    "You've been switching Keeps back and forth since 2014."
    -You've been doing the same with Flags since 2015.

    If you pay any attention to the in-game quests and lore, it is perfectly obvious that the conflict in the IC is considered part of the Alliance War. This fact is only disputable by people who are willfully ignorant of the facts such as yourself. Just because YOU choose not to play there very much should not mean that OTHER players should not be rewarded properly and fully for their contribution to the Alliance War.

    You get Tel Var, Cyro players don't, is it that hard to understand?

    What does Tel Var have to do with campaign rewards? Why are you even mentioning it? The two things are not equivalent in any way.

    If you want to win Tel Var by PvDooring and Rapid Regen spamming in your Cyrodiil horse simulation, then you are welcome to start your own thread to bring your desires to the attention of ZOS.

    However, that has NOTHING to do with the issue in the original post. NOTHING.

    I am mentioning it because if you would get Tel Var AND Transmutes at the same time there would be no reason to go to cyro anymore. But I feel like I am talking to a wall.
  • idk
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    Yes, IC is disconnected from Cyrodiil faction campaigns now and that's the reason why you don't get your geodes.

    Well, if that's true, then they need to FIX that, because we are fighting just as hard, if not harder, down here.

    I would not hold your breath on that one and it does not take long to get the tier 1 reward status to get the crystals.
  • hasi
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    BTW you've shot yourself into the Knee. I gave you pretty valid Reasons as to why Things are how they are.

    Even mentioned that your Argumentation makes little to no sense.

    Then boom, you gave an perfect Example of the above said by suddenly mentioning Lore.😂
  • SenpaiNFT
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    me and all my friends like how ic is currently . please keep things the same . and increase sneak speeds,
    Edited by SenpaiNFT on September 4, 2019 3:33PM
  • nosecookie
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    Me and my friends play a lot of Cyrodiil and we are all fine with the rewards. Why arent't Tel Var Stones enough for you, @Emma_Overload ?
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    nosecookie wrote: »
    It has something to do with this thread. I mean you get at least Tel Var Stones in IC for being useless to the campaign effort.

    All the others get their monthly rewards for not abandoning their factions instead. @Emma_Overload

    You don't actually abandon your faction in the Imperial CIty. Which you would know if you actually went down there...

    Did somebody say something about "talking to a wall" earlier? Because that's how I feel now.
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  • Kiralyn2000
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    What does Tel Var have to do with campaign rewards? Why are you even mentioning it? The two things are not equivalent in any way.

    Well, game-wise, Tel Var is a reward for an activity. If Activity 1 has Reward 1, and Activity 2 has Reward 1 and Reward 2, that isn't balanced. So A1 has R1, and A2 has R2.

    I'm curious - what non-RP effect does IC have on the Cyro campaign? Does/did controlling districts give your faction a boost in the Campaign or anything like that? (because "it's the lore!" isn't important for balancing gameplay & rewards)
    Edited by Kiralyn2000 on September 4, 2019 3:41PM
  • nosecookie
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    As you can see there are lot of people not ok with your idea. Maybe we are the ones talking to a wall?
  • Emma_Overload
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    Trandaner wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    hasi wrote: »
    nosecookie wrote: »
    Why is his opnion irrelevant?

    Because he obviously doesn't care about the Imperial City or what goes on there.

    Listen, I did play Imperial City since it released. Got less and less over the Years, because I see no point in doing it.

    I do care about the Game and IC is part of that, but what you are saying is absolutely not thought through.
    Your arguments make no sense:



    "What do you win in Cyro?"
    -What do you win in IC? In Cyro you gain Points, Scroll Boni, Transmutation Stones, Set Pieces, Emperor, Alliance Points etc. in total. Some of those you can get in IC too, yes. But not all.


    "You've been switching Keeps back and forth since 2014."
    -You've been doing the same with Flags since 2015.

    If you pay any attention to the in-game quests and lore, it is perfectly obvious that the conflict in the IC is considered part of the Alliance War. This fact is only disputable by people who are willfully ignorant of the facts such as yourself. Just because YOU choose not to play there very much should not mean that OTHER players should not be rewarded properly and fully for their contribution to the Alliance War.

    You get Tel Var, Cyro players don't, is it that hard to understand?

    What does Tel Var have to do with campaign rewards? Why are you even mentioning it? The two things are not equivalent in any way.

    If you want to win Tel Var by PvDooring and Rapid Regen spamming in your Cyrodiil horse simulation, then you are welcome to start your own thread to bring your desires to the attention of ZOS.

    However, that has NOTHING to do with the issue in the original post. NOTHING.

    I am mentioning it because if you would get Tel Var AND Transmutes at the same time there would be no reason to go to cyro anymore. But I feel like I am talking to a wall.

    LOL, if there is "no reason to go to cyro anymore", then maybe they should just shut it down? As I noted in my original post, I didn't notice for MONTHS that I was getting cheated out of my 50 stone geodes, but recently I needed to do a lot of transmuting so I noticed. I absolutely do not play in the IC because of the Tel Var or the AP or Transmute geodes or Fragments or Gold or any other goofy in-game currency. I play in the IC because it's FUN. I simply object to being shafted on the campaign rewards that I feel I should be getting, which I did get every month for doing exactly the same activities.

    If you didn't notice the loss, then why are you complaing?

    Because, as I said in the post you quoted, I eventually DID notice.

    It's like old people and their Social Security checks. It doesn't matter if they are rich or poor, they expect to get them like clockwork. The difference is that the rich old people might not notice for a while if they stopped coming. But believe me, once they noticed their checks were missing, they would be PISSED.
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  • hasi
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    Trandaner wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    hasi wrote: »
    nosecookie wrote: »
    Why is his opnion irrelevant?

    Because he obviously doesn't care about the Imperial City or what goes on there.

    Listen, I did play Imperial City since it released. Got less and less over the Years, because I see no point in doing it.

    I do care about the Game and IC is part of that, but what you are saying is absolutely not thought through.
    Your arguments make no sense:



    "What do you win in Cyro?"
    -What do you win in IC? In Cyro you gain Points, Scroll Boni, Transmutation Stones, Set Pieces, Emperor, Alliance Points etc. in total. Some of those you can get in IC too, yes. But not all.


    "You've been switching Keeps back and forth since 2014."
    -You've been doing the same with Flags since 2015.

    If you pay any attention to the in-game quests and lore, it is perfectly obvious that the conflict in the IC is considered part of the Alliance War. This fact is only disputable by people who are willfully ignorant of the facts such as yourself. Just because YOU choose not to play there very much should not mean that OTHER players should not be rewarded properly and fully for their contribution to the Alliance War.

    You get Tel Var, Cyro players don't, is it that hard to understand?

    What does Tel Var have to do with campaign rewards? Why are you even mentioning it? The two things are not equivalent in any way.

    If you want to win Tel Var by PvDooring and Rapid Regen spamming in your Cyrodiil horse simulation, then you are welcome to start your own thread to bring your desires to the attention of ZOS.

    However, that has NOTHING to do with the issue in the original post. NOTHING.

    I am mentioning it because if you would get Tel Var AND Transmutes at the same time there would be no reason to go to cyro anymore. But I feel like I am talking to a wall.

    As I noted in my original post, I didn't notice for MONTHS that I was getting cheated out of my 50 stone geodes, but recently I needed to do a lot of transmuting so I noticed.

    You weren't getting cheated, LOL. You simply didn't notice, how you perfectly said, that IC isn't part of a Campaign anymore. Which is your fault.

    The Devs stated the Campaign Change in the Patch Notes also.😘
    Edited by hasi on September 4, 2019 3:43PM
  • jaysins
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    So basically you're upset because you couldn't properly read the patch notes and even after they were posted for you you claim that they're too vague? I honestly think that you should write to your state's school board instead of the forums, as the public education system has clearly let you down. I do want to help you though as reading is important. As previously posted:

    "Home Campaign status is still needed for earning Leaderboard rewards at the end of Campaigns and participating in Emperorship leaderboards."

    More specifically "and participating in Emperorship leaderboards."

    Are you participating in the Emperorship leaderboards in IC? Answer is no, you are not.

    I am terribly sorry you weren't able to deduce this on your own and I hope this was helpful in your understanding of the matter.
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    Bearingitall -EP Warden. Lions and tigers and especially Bears oh my
  • Emma_Overload
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    nosecookie wrote: »
    Me and my friends play a lot of Cyrodiil and we are all fine with the rewards. Why arent't Tel Var Stones enough for you, @Emma_Overload ?

    You can't transmute jewelry with Tel Var. If it were up to me, ALL in-game currency would be exchangeable for any other, but that is not how it works, sadly!
    #CAREBEARMASTERRACE
  • Solariken
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    I think it's fine that they separated IC from the Cyro rewards. However there needs to be a way to gain xmute stones in IC - my preference is that they add as a random drop in chests.
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    nosecookie wrote: »
    As you can see there are lot of people not ok with your idea. Maybe we are the ones talking to a wall?

    +1

    OP brought up their opinion on the matter. It is in Zos' court now. It does not make sense for OP to argue with everyone who disagrees since OP actually asked for a dialogue on the matter and in the end it is wasted energy because no one who has posted in this thread will actually make a decision on the matter.
  • Naftal
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    Well, now you know and you can start getting that 25k ap per character in a 30 day home campaign each month. Which takes next to no effort and time.
  • cbro72
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    I can see why you want to make ic have a campaign cycle , so you can’t get your geode end of campaign reward.

    But , unless I am wrong, your ap gains in ic, even before it was separated, never counted toward the Cyrodiil campaign. At least that is what I always assumed.

    If they did make it a campaign, would it a month long for cp, vs a week long one for no cp? This might make ic a bit less of a ghost town.
  • idk
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    cbro72 wrote: »
    If they did make it a campaign, would it a month long for cp, vs a week long one for no cp? This might make ic a bit less of a ghost town.

    Considering how fast and easy it is to get the a character locked in for the geode rewards in Cyrodiil I would suggest offering the same reward in IC will do nothing for IC as it would take longer to reach the reward tier. Put lipstick on a pig it still very much looks like a pig.
  • Trandaner
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    Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.
    from the Clockwork City patch notes

    Imperial City is now its own Campaign. The doors in Cyrodiil have been shut down; to get into Imperial City, you simply use the Campaign selection menu. You’ll end up in the Sewers just as if you had entered from Cyrodiil.
    from the Elsweyr patch notes

    As you can see it says "AvA end of campaign rewards" in the CwC patch notes, in the Elsweyr patch notes it says "The doors in Cyrodiil have been shut down" which basically answers why you don't get a reward. It's because Ic isn't part of the Alliance War.
    Edited by Trandaner on September 4, 2019 3:54PM
  • Emma_Overload
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    hasi wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    hasi wrote: »
    nosecookie wrote: »
    Why is his opnion irrelevant?

    Because he obviously doesn't care about the Imperial City or what goes on there.

    Listen, I did play Imperial City since it released. Got less and less over the Years, because I see no point in doing it.

    I do care about the Game and IC is part of that, but what you are saying is absolutely not thought through.
    Your arguments make no sense:



    "What do you win in Cyro?"
    -What do you win in IC? In Cyro you gain Points, Scroll Boni, Transmutation Stones, Set Pieces, Emperor, Alliance Points etc. in total. Some of those you can get in IC too, yes. But not all.


    "You've been switching Keeps back and forth since 2014."
    -You've been doing the same with Flags since 2015.

    If you pay any attention to the in-game quests and lore, it is perfectly obvious that the conflict in the IC is considered part of the Alliance War. This fact is only disputable by people who are willfully ignorant of the facts such as yourself. Just because YOU choose not to play there very much should not mean that OTHER players should not be rewarded properly and fully for their contribution to the Alliance War.

    You get Tel Var, Cyro players don't, is it that hard to understand?

    What does Tel Var have to do with campaign rewards? Why are you even mentioning it? The two things are not equivalent in any way.

    If you want to win Tel Var by PvDooring and Rapid Regen spamming in your Cyrodiil horse simulation, then you are welcome to start your own thread to bring your desires to the attention of ZOS.

    However, that has NOTHING to do with the issue in the original post. NOTHING.

    I am mentioning it because if you would get Tel Var AND Transmutes at the same time there would be no reason to go to cyro anymore. But I feel like I am talking to a wall.

    As I noted in my original post, I didn't notice for MONTHS that I was getting cheated out of my 50 stone geodes, but recently I needed to do a lot of transmuting so I noticed.

    You weren't getting cheated, LOL. You simply didn't notice, how you perfectly said, that IC isn't part of a Campaign anymore. Which is your fault.

    The Devs stated the Campaign Change in the Patch Notes also.😘

    Nothing the devs said in any patch note said anything about me not getting my 50 stones geode, LOL. One month I was getting them as usual, and then.... nothing except the daily RotW.
    #CAREBEARMASTERRACE
  • TequilaFire
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    In my humble opinion anyone who reads through this thread should get a 50 crystal geode. :D
  • peacenote
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    Maybe I am not taking the game seriously enough:p but this discussion about whether or not IC supports the war seems a little silly to me.

    Weren't the geodes introduced to PvP play rewards as a response to the concerns that PvP only players otherwise had to run dungeons to get them? Because they need to transmute things, too!

    Exactly how and why it was originally attached to campaigns, and the fact that IC no longer counts, seems a little bit like a technicality. It is still open, faction-based PvP, yes?

    <shrug> I never ever go in IC so I don't care either way personally, but that is my two cents.
    My #1 wish for ESO Today: Decouple achievements from character progress and tracking.
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  • hasi
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    hasi wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    hasi wrote: »
    nosecookie wrote: »
    Why is his opnion irrelevant?

    Because he obviously doesn't care about the Imperial City or what goes on there.

    Listen, I did play Imperial City since it released. Got less and less over the Years, because I see no point in doing it.

    I do care about the Game and IC is part of that, but what you are saying is absolutely not thought through.
    Your arguments make no sense:



    "What do you win in Cyro?"
    -What do you win in IC? In Cyro you gain Points, Scroll Boni, Transmutation Stones, Set Pieces, Emperor, Alliance Points etc. in total. Some of those you can get in IC too, yes. But not all.


    "You've been switching Keeps back and forth since 2014."
    -You've been doing the same with Flags since 2015.

    If you pay any attention to the in-game quests and lore, it is perfectly obvious that the conflict in the IC is considered part of the Alliance War. This fact is only disputable by people who are willfully ignorant of the facts such as yourself. Just because YOU choose not to play there very much should not mean that OTHER players should not be rewarded properly and fully for their contribution to the Alliance War.

    You get Tel Var, Cyro players don't, is it that hard to understand?

    What does Tel Var have to do with campaign rewards? Why are you even mentioning it? The two things are not equivalent in any way.

    If you want to win Tel Var by PvDooring and Rapid Regen spamming in your Cyrodiil horse simulation, then you are welcome to start your own thread to bring your desires to the attention of ZOS.

    However, that has NOTHING to do with the issue in the original post. NOTHING.

    I am mentioning it because if you would get Tel Var AND Transmutes at the same time there would be no reason to go to cyro anymore. But I feel like I am talking to a wall.

    As I noted in my original post, I didn't notice for MONTHS that I was getting cheated out of my 50 stone geodes, but recently I needed to do a lot of transmuting so I noticed.

    You weren't getting cheated, LOL. You simply didn't notice, how you perfectly said, that IC isn't part of a Campaign anymore. Which is your fault.

    The Devs stated the Campaign Change in the Patch Notes also.😘

    Nothing the devs said in any patch note said anything about me not getting my 50 stones geode, LOL. One month I was getting them as usual, and then.... nothing except the daily RotW.

    Note: Home Campaign status is still needed for earning Leaderboard rewards at the end of Campaigns and participating in Emperorship leaderboards.
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    hasi wrote: »
    hasi wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    Trandaner wrote: »
    hasi wrote: »
    nosecookie wrote: »
    Why is his opnion irrelevant?

    Because he obviously doesn't care about the Imperial City or what goes on there.

    Listen, I did play Imperial City since it released. Got less and less over the Years, because I see no point in doing it.

    I do care about the Game and IC is part of that, but what you are saying is absolutely not thought through.
    Your arguments make no sense:



    "What do you win in Cyro?"
    -What do you win in IC? In Cyro you gain Points, Scroll Boni, Transmutation Stones, Set Pieces, Emperor, Alliance Points etc. in total. Some of those you can get in IC too, yes. But not all.


    "You've been switching Keeps back and forth since 2014."
    -You've been doing the same with Flags since 2015.

    If you pay any attention to the in-game quests and lore, it is perfectly obvious that the conflict in the IC is considered part of the Alliance War. This fact is only disputable by people who are willfully ignorant of the facts such as yourself. Just because YOU choose not to play there very much should not mean that OTHER players should not be rewarded properly and fully for their contribution to the Alliance War.

    You get Tel Var, Cyro players don't, is it that hard to understand?

    What does Tel Var have to do with campaign rewards? Why are you even mentioning it? The two things are not equivalent in any way.

    If you want to win Tel Var by PvDooring and Rapid Regen spamming in your Cyrodiil horse simulation, then you are welcome to start your own thread to bring your desires to the attention of ZOS.

    However, that has NOTHING to do with the issue in the original post. NOTHING.

    I am mentioning it because if you would get Tel Var AND Transmutes at the same time there would be no reason to go to cyro anymore. But I feel like I am talking to a wall.

    As I noted in my original post, I didn't notice for MONTHS that I was getting cheated out of my 50 stone geodes, but recently I needed to do a lot of transmuting so I noticed.

    You weren't getting cheated, LOL. You simply didn't notice, how you perfectly said, that IC isn't part of a Campaign anymore. Which is your fault.

    The Devs stated the Campaign Change in the Patch Notes also.😘

    Nothing the devs said in any patch note said anything about me not getting my 50 stones geode, LOL. One month I was getting them as usual, and then.... nothing except the daily RotW.

    Note: Home Campaign status is still needed for earning Leaderboard rewards at the end of Campaigns and participating in Emperorship leaderboards.

    I address this point in the comment above^^^^^
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  • Emma_Overload
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    idk wrote: »
    jaysins wrote: »
    So basically you're upset because you couldn't properly read the patch notes and even after they were posted for you you claim that they're too vague? I honestly think that you should write to your state's school board instead of the forums, as the public education system has clearly let you down. I do want to help you though as reading is important. As previously posted:

    "Home Campaign status is still needed for earning Leaderboard rewards at the end of Campaigns and participating in Emperorship leaderboards."

    More specifically "and participating in Emperorship leaderboards."

    Are you participating in the Emperorship leaderboards in IC? Answer is no, you are not.

    I am terribly sorry you weren't able to deduce this on your own and I hope this was helpful in your understanding of the matter.

    As has been pointed out earlier in the thread and confirmed by me, they don't even offer you the option of choosing IC as your home campaign. Maybe if they fixed that issue, the proper rewards would start coming as expected.

    You are making a huge assumption without any real basis that a simple change like this would make a difference. I doubt you know how Zos has coded the rewards. It is best to keep statements accurate and not state as fact what amounts to a baseless claim.

    That's why I used the word "maybe", because I don't know what the effect of such a change would be.

    I feel like I'm being "lawyered" to death, when this is really a simple issue about fairness: PvP activties on behalf of one's Alliance should carry the same rewards, regardless of where they occur. As long as I have a Blue shield above my head, i should get full credit for killing the Yellows and Reds.
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  • sharquez
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    Well what you can do right now is go upstairs to Cyrodill proper and slog through long enough to get a tier 1 reward then go back down to the sewers. I don't foresee any IC leaderboards coming anytime soon, so unless that happens you'll just have to do that.
    Edited by sharquez on September 4, 2019 4:18PM
  • idk
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    idk wrote: »
    jaysins wrote: »
    So basically you're upset because you couldn't properly read the patch notes and even after they were posted for you you claim that they're too vague? I honestly think that you should write to your state's school board instead of the forums, as the public education system has clearly let you down. I do want to help you though as reading is important. As previously posted:

    "Home Campaign status is still needed for earning Leaderboard rewards at the end of Campaigns and participating in Emperorship leaderboards."

    More specifically "and participating in Emperorship leaderboards."

    Are you participating in the Emperorship leaderboards in IC? Answer is no, you are not.

    I am terribly sorry you weren't able to deduce this on your own and I hope this was helpful in your understanding of the matter.

    As has been pointed out earlier in the thread and confirmed by me, they don't even offer you the option of choosing IC as your home campaign. Maybe if they fixed that issue, the proper rewards would start coming as expected.

    You are making a huge assumption without any real basis that a simple change like this would make a difference. I doubt you know how Zos has coded the rewards. It is best to keep statements accurate and not state as fact what amounts to a baseless claim.

    That's why I used the word "maybe", because I don't know what the effect of such a change would be.

    I feel like I'm being "lawyered" to death, when this is really a simple issue about fairness: PvP activties on behalf of one's Alliance should carry the same rewards, regardless of where they occur. As long as I have a Blue shield above my head, i should get full credit for killing the Yellows and Reds.

    I did edit out that last sentence.

    I would not suggest you are being lawyered to death. It just seems you want to argue with most people that disagree or dissent. It really is pointless to do so and makes no sense. You said your peace, they said theirs. Zos will decide in the end, not me and not you.

    Leave it alone unless you just want to argue.
  • EvilAutoTech
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    jaysins wrote: »
    So basically you're upset because you couldn't properly read the patch notes and even after they were posted for you you claim that they're too vague? I honestly think that you should write to your state's school board instead of the forums, as the public education system has clearly let you down. I do want to help you though as reading is important. As previously posted:

    "Home Campaign status is still needed for earning Leaderboard rewards at the end of Campaigns and participating in Emperorship leaderboards."

    More specifically "and participating in Emperorship leaderboards."

    Are you participating in the Emperorship leaderboards in IC? Answer is no, you are not.

    I am terribly sorry you weren't able to deduce this on your own and I hope this was helpful in your understanding of the matter.

    As has been pointed out earlier in the thread and confirmed by me, they don't even offer you the option of choosing IC as your home campaign.

    Translates to: IC cannot be used to earn end of campaign rewards.
  • DurzoBlint13
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    Trandaner wrote: »
    ThePedge wrote: »
    Rewards linked to Leaderboards, IC isn't part of leaderboards and is a completely separate zone.

    Need to play Cyrodil to get Cyrodil rewards.

    Not in the past. There is no logical reason for IC players to be locked out of monthly rewards now, either.

    The logical reason is that you get Tel Var in IC while in Cyro you don't. It would be unfair to have Transmutes aswell don't you think?

    Not really. You are never guaranteed Tel Var from killing enemy players, because they might not have any. We get AP from killing enemy player just like you do, we capture objectives (flags) just like you do, and we "play the map" just like you do. The only difference is that the environment is obviously different, and we have to contend with aggro'd mobs, as well.

    I repeat: there is no logical reason IC players should not be offered the same campaign rewards, and I have yet to see any sensible reason offered in this thread.

    you get "end of campaign rewards" at the end the Cyrodil campaign you have made your home. (either 7 day or 30 day) IC is no longer connected to any Cyrodil campaigns. Also, when exactly does the IC campaign end? It does not. Therefore, why would you get "end of campaign rewards" for IC?

    To get the 50 transmute crystals, IC would have to have leaderboards and reset every 30 days. It does not. It was changed a while ago by ZOS. If you want it changed again, you need to talk to ZOS.
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