Pax West - Dragonhold - Someone took photos of changed passives?

Sandman929 · September 2019

It's all speculation now, but please ZOS...no one is going to like having their damage overwritten because someone nearby used the same skill.
Both players spent resources to attack. The end result might be a good result in many ways but the means is a bad idea.

Tommy_The_Gun · September 2019

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

"Auriel's bow is the next artifact"

"Snipe" next patch....

Vapirko · September 2019

WoppaBoem wrote: »

These notes seems so perfect and to the point and would solve many things. I think these are fake, ZOS track record is not that perfect.

Yeah sounds like someone wishlist as much as I’d like it to be true.

ManwithBeard9 · September 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Tatanko wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

As Zos stated that they going to target passives next, did anyone on the pax west took some pictures and canshare them? Curious what they changed

The event hasn't even happened yet as of my writing this reply

Ah right,that time difference (germany here) ^^. So for anyone going there, TAKE PICTURES!

After all the hubbub surrounding a player breaking NDA (allegedly) after the ZOS Elsweyr testing event, is it really worth the risk of taking pictures?

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Tatanko wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

As Zos stated that they going to target passives next, did anyone on the pax west took some pictures and canshare them? Curious what they changed

The event hasn't even happened yet as of my writing this reply

Ah right,that time difference (germany here) ^^. So for anyone going there, TAKE PICTURES!

After all the hubbub surrounding a player breaking NDA (allegedly) after the ZOS Elsweyr testing event, is it really worth the risk of taking pictures?

Pax is a public event isnt it? They cant have an NDA for content shown there.

PAX and the ESO event are private. You have to buy a ticket to get into a privately owned venue run by privately owned companies. If you do not follow their rules, you can and will be asked/forced to leave, barred from reentry, or from ever attending events ran by those companies.

Holycannoli · September 2019

Sandman929 wrote: »

It's all speculation now, but please ZOS...no one is going to like having their damage overwritten because someone nearby used the same skill.
Both players spent resources to attack. The end result might be a good result in many ways but the means is a bad idea.

Hopefully it will only overwrite if the new one is stronger, because otherwise wtf people might spam DoTs to get theirs to stick.

Best idea though: go back in time and stop these ridiculous combat changes in the first place. 5 years and they start messing with balance and screw it up.

TequilaFire · September 2019

Strange, you rarely see ZOS admit they messed up.

starkerealm · September 2019

Holycannoli wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

It's all speculation now, but please ZOS...no one is going to like having their damage overwritten because someone nearby used the same skill.
Both players spent resources to attack. The end result might be a good result in many ways but the means is a bad idea.

Hopefully it will only overwrite if the new one is stronger, because otherwise wtf people might spam DoTs to get theirs to stick.

Best idea though: go back in time and stop these ridiculous combat changes in the first place. 5 years and they start messing with balance and screw it up.

That's the behavior with the crusher enchant. The stronger effect overwrites the weaker one. If this system was implemented, it would make sense if it followed that structure.

starkerealm · September 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Strange, you rarely see ZOS admit they messed up.

It's almost like the notes were written by someone who wanted to get some attention and adoration, and not someone who knew what they were talking about.

SantieClaws · September 2019

What is all this number crunchy crunching stuff?

Didn't anyone make notes on new furnishings? Costumes? Houses? The good stuff!

Anyway this one assumes PTS can only be a week or so away - so we will see all then.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

starkerealm · September 2019

SantieClaws wrote: »

What is all this number crunchy crunching stuff?

Didn't anyone make notes on new furnishings? Costumes? Houses? The good stuff!

Anyway this one assumes PTS can only be a week or so away - so we will see all then.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I saw a Khajiiti ruin along the northern border of the map. As I mentioned, it didn't have a map marker associated with it. I'm inclined to think it was quest related, but, it's possible it's a house, and the entrance was simply disabled for the demo.

Didn't really notice any new furnishings, though my significant other really wants that southern delve as a house. The place looks amazing.

I didn't really snoop around for costumes this time, though. Sorry, Santie.

SantieClaws · September 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

What is all this number crunchy crunching stuff?

Didn't anyone make notes on new furnishings? Costumes? Houses? The good stuff!

Anyway this one assumes PTS can only be a week or so away - so we will see all then.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I saw a Khajiiti ruin along the northern border of the map. As I mentioned, it didn't have a map marker associated with it. I'm inclined to think it was quest related, but, it's possible it's a house, and the entrance was simply disabled for the demo.

Didn't really notice any new furnishings, though my significant other really wants that southern delve as a house. The place looks amazing.

I didn't really snoop around for costumes this time, though. Sorry, Santie.

That's ok - this one knows what it is like when they say 'you have an hour' and you want to try and see everything you can - but you can't look at everything.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2019

I'm a bit torn on the overwrite dots thingy. It could really *** you up if you're somewhat reliant on dots secondary effect like heals or you use it to proc stuff (surge, sets, etc.)

But I'm really excited about the stam sorc changes. Assuming they are for real.

luen79rwb17_ESO · September 2019

I can't believe there's no aditional info than a random guy cursing alot in some Discord channel. Nobody else took any interesting notes?

Heatnix90 · September 2019

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I can't believe there's no aditional info than a random guy cursing alot in some Discord channel. Nobody else took any interesting notes?

My buddy said they only had a maximum of 15 minutes to demo, imagine casuals being able to find their way out of the starting are of the demo within 15 minutes, much less bothering to look in-depth for any possible changes

Because that's what this event is, literal meetup for casual players.

(for the record, that post came from someone else, my buddy only got to play once and didn't even get to speak to the actual devs)

PapaWeeb · September 2019

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I'm a bit torn on the overwrite dots thingy. It could really *** you up if you're somewhat reliant on dots secondary effect like heals or you use it to proc stuff (surge, sets, etc.)

But I'm really excited about the stam sorc changes. Assuming they are for real.

Exactly, imagine trying to duo as 2x magDKs. "I wanna ember" "NO I wanna ember" "no heals for you!". Seems like a moronic fix, all that guesswork. You're either examining the target for DoTs or wasting GCDs. Just tone the dots down 10-20%.

We didn't have these problems before they buffed the *** out of DoTs.

Red_Feather · September 2019

Each class needs their own purge options.

Some suggestions I made were Nightblade can transfer, Sorcerer pet can absorb, Dragonknight can convert to flame attack.

Then we get counters to the negative affects instead of making complicated systems trying to balance 1vs1 to 10vs10 fights.

Cinbri · September 2019

PapaWeeb wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I'm a bit torn on the overwrite dots thingy. It could really *** you up if you're somewhat reliant on dots secondary effect like heals or you use it to proc stuff (surge, sets, etc.)

But I'm really excited about the stam sorc changes. Assuming they are for real.

Exactly, imagine trying to duo as 2x magDKs. "I wanna ember" "NO I wanna ember" "no heals for you!". Seems like a moronic fix, all that guesswork. You're either examining the target for DoTs or wasting GCDs. Just tone the dots down 10-20%.

We didn't have these problems before they buffed the *** out of DoTs.

This is exactly old burning embers problem reintroducing for everyone..
Now back again, for example Entropy mana restore proc only while dot lasts and only when hitting affected enemy; another morph heals only when dot lasts. So overwriting dots negating bonuses of both morphs. Unless they will change morphs effects to be independant from damage.

theskymoves · September 2019

TiaFrye wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So far:
- Next part of the story apparently deals with Darien leaving something in Pellitine that triggers Meridia's wrath (HOPING MY BOY DARIEN IS STILL ALIVE)

please be true

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

Jaraal · September 2019

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

Five second GCD on offensive proc sets? That should make the fringe players leave in droves. Lots of folks depend on stacking monster set + 2 damage sets for pressure.... they will find themselves at death recap a lot, or become bored to tears stacking defensive sets instead.

Heatnix90 · September 2019

Jaraal wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

Five second GCD on offensive proc sets? That should make the fringe players leave in droves. Lots of folks depend on stacking monster set + 2 damage sets for pressure.... they will find themselves at death recap a lot, or become bored to tears stacking defensive sets instead.

Why? Because suddenly they have to L2P like people who don't crutch on free damage that ignores cooldowns? Also lol imagine thinking that the only two styles of play are "crutch on proc sets" and "stack defensive sets." You are really making some 200 IQ posts there, chief.

Jaraal · September 2019

Heatnix90 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

Five second GCD on offensive proc sets? That should make the fringe players leave in droves. Lots of folks depend on stacking monster set + 2 damage sets for pressure.... they will find themselves at death recap a lot, or become bored to tears stacking defensive sets instead.

Why? Because suddenly they have to L2P like people who don't crutch on free damage that ignores cooldowns? Also lol imagine thinking that the only two styles of play are "crutch on proc sets" and "stack defensive sets." You are really making some 200 IQ posts there, chief.

That's the point. It's against ZOS's new vision to make people "L2P" or get out. Where are all those crown sales going to come from if the casuals are sent looking for an easier game? And thanks for assuming a 180 IQ is going to make a 200 IQ post, but it's not an every day occurrence.

Heatnix90 · September 2019

Jaraal wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

Five second GCD on offensive proc sets? That should make the fringe players leave in droves. Lots of folks depend on stacking monster set + 2 damage sets for pressure.... they will find themselves at death recap a lot, or become bored to tears stacking defensive sets instead.

Why? Because suddenly they have to L2P like people who don't crutch on free damage that ignores cooldowns? Also lol imagine thinking that the only two styles of play are "crutch on proc sets" and "stack defensive sets." You are really making some 200 IQ posts there, chief.

That's the point. It's against ZOS's new vision to make people "L2P" or get out. Where are all those crown sales going to come from if the casuals are sent looking for an easier game? And thanks for assuming a 180 IQ is going to make a 200 IQ post, but it's not an every day occurrence.

lmao, they literally have the rest of the game to putz around in if they want to be casual. If they want to PvP they should absolutely at least pick up some basic knowledge of how the game works and not just roll in expecting to faceroll people who have been around longer than they have. This Participation Trophy Era BS is getting out of hand, honestly.

Jaraal · September 2019

Heatnix90 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

Five second GCD on offensive proc sets? That should make the fringe players leave in droves. Lots of folks depend on stacking monster set + 2 damage sets for pressure.... they will find themselves at death recap a lot, or become bored to tears stacking defensive sets instead.

Why? Because suddenly they have to L2P like people who don't crutch on free damage that ignores cooldowns? Also lol imagine thinking that the only two styles of play are "crutch on proc sets" and "stack defensive sets." You are really making some 200 IQ posts there, chief.

That's the point. It's against ZOS's new vision to make people "L2P" or get out. Where are all those crown sales going to come from if the casuals are sent looking for an easier game? And thanks for assuming a 180 IQ is going to make a 200 IQ post, but it's not an every day occurrence.

lmao, they literally have the rest of the game to putz around in if they want to be casual. If they want to PvP they should absolutely at least pick up some basic knowledge of how the game works and not just roll in expecting to faceroll people who have been around longer than they have. This Participation Trophy Era BS is getting out of hand, honestly.

Unskilled people are going to get steamrolled in PvE as well. It's just curious because the game has been moving towards enabling the casuals, as they are more likely to be decorating their houses and dressing up and paying for conveniences than the hardcore player. Seems like a step backwards from a marketing standpoint, but nothing they do is much of a surprise any more.

spekdah · September 2019

Back on topic;
No one took any notes?
Anyone try to create a new character on demo boxes and see if any skills or passives have changed.. thats what I would tried lol.

Was hoping for something except some unverified discord notes.

Anything... anyone?

Guess we have to wait till PTS.

Eraldus · September 2019

Nerf sorc

starkerealm · September 2019

Heatnix90 wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I can't believe there's no aditional info than a random guy cursing alot in some Discord channel. Nobody else took any interesting notes?

My buddy said they only had a maximum of 15 minutes to demo, imagine casuals being able to find their way out of the starting are of the demo within 15 minutes, much less bothering to look in-depth for any possible changes

Because that's what this event is, literal meetup for casual players.

(for the record, that post came from someone else, my buddy only got to play once and didn't even get to speak to the actual devs)

Yeah, the press event attendees were limited to ~30 minutes. After that, Rich repeated his presentation, and they started streaming in.

starkerealm · September 2019

SantieClaws wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

What is all this number crunchy crunching stuff?

Didn't anyone make notes on new furnishings? Costumes? Houses? The good stuff!

Anyway this one assumes PTS can only be a week or so away - so we will see all then.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I saw a Khajiiti ruin along the northern border of the map. As I mentioned, it didn't have a map marker associated with it. I'm inclined to think it was quest related, but, it's possible it's a house, and the entrance was simply disabled for the demo.

Didn't really notice any new furnishings, though my significant other really wants that southern delve as a house. The place looks amazing.

I didn't really snoop around for costumes this time, though. Sorry, Santie.

That's ok - this one knows what it is like when they say 'you have an hour' and you want to try and see everything you can - but you can't look at everything.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

@SantieClaws, I saw a lot of beautiful jungles, sandy beaches, and a very angry flying murder lizard.

Vapirko · September 2019

PapaWeeb wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I'm a bit torn on the overwrite dots thingy. It could really *** you up if you're somewhat reliant on dots secondary effect like heals or you use it to proc stuff (surge, sets, etc.)

But I'm really excited about the stam sorc changes. Assuming they are for real.

Exactly, imagine trying to duo as 2x magDKs. "I wanna ember" "NO I wanna ember" "no heals for you!". Seems like a moronic fix, all that guesswork. You're either examining the target for DoTs or wasting GCDs. Just tone the dots down 10-20%.

We didn't have these problems before they buffed the *** out of DoTs.

But it would potential force more class diversity and strategically it would pay to have smaller groups hitting more spots. But it doesn’t quite add up. Either this is all made up or the big picture hasn’t come into focus. It could be that a few changes sound good but the overall changes are going to be much less interesting.

TriangularChicken · September 2019

Cinbri wrote: »

PapaWeeb wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I'm a bit torn on the overwrite dots thingy. It could really *** you up if you're somewhat reliant on dots secondary effect like heals or you use it to proc stuff (surge, sets, etc.)

But I'm really excited about the stam sorc changes. Assuming they are for real.

Exactly, imagine trying to duo as 2x magDKs. "I wanna ember" "NO I wanna ember" "no heals for you!". Seems like a moronic fix, all that guesswork. You're either examining the target for DoTs or wasting GCDs. Just tone the dots down 10-20%.

We didn't have these problems before they buffed the *** out of DoTs.

This is exactly old burning embers problem reintroducing for everyone..
Now back again, for example Entropy mana restore proc only while dot lasts and only when hitting affected enemy; another morph heals only when dot lasts. So overwriting dots negating bonuses of both morphs. Unless they will change morphs effects to be independant from damage.

@Cinbri
this is only a problem if you Xv1 somebody. they are also going to change proc sets, no more overpowered overwhelming and auroran cheese. imagine, when they also change living dark i bet a lot of people will have to learn to play mhmm.

D0PAMINE · September 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, the "no photos," thing is legitimate. Not sure if anyone was actually directed out over it, though it's possible. You were allowed to take notes, but they didn't want photos.

I didn't notice any changes with the passives, but I was using a level 25 template, so I didn't spend a lot of time scrutinizing the options. Thing about these events is, you've got maybe 15 minutes to look at the new content, so you need to be efficient. At that point, most people, even experienced players who were in the press pool, didn't spend our time studying the skills looking for changes. Stuff worked roughly how we'd have expected.

So, with that in mind, Southern Elsweyr doesn't appear to fully connect to Northern. There seems to be a gap between them, so ZOS may choose to fill that in later with a third zone. (It's a little hard to judge, because the zone didn't appear on the Nirn map, just the wayshrines. So, I could be wrong about this.)

There's two main quest threads. One of them is for the zone itself. The other one triggers if you've completed both Elsweyr zones (not sure if the Scalebreaker quests are included or not), which concludes the Season of the Dragon.

The delve I ran through was a mix of a Khajiiti ruin, and a grotto, with luminescent plants of some variety lighting the place up.

I didn't see a new trial or arena, but I did run across a structure along the north edge of the map that didn't have a map marker associated with it, and could be tied to something else. I'm unsure. I doubt it's a new arena though, as BRP was playable at last year's event, and we probably would have been informed if something like that happened. If only to try to goad Bert and myself into making poor life decisions.

There's also the usual: Three new crafted sets, three new drop sets, two new delves, two new world bosses, and (I assume) six skyshards. I think I heard the crafted sets weren't fully implemented yet. Which would mean you'd see a named set without any bonuses, but I didn't find any. I did find some drop set pieces, but was advised that they were also not final versions.

So, short version? No, we don't have photos of the changes. Also, this thread's original post went live 90 minutes before the press event started. At that point, no one had seen anything.

Thanks man. Appreciate the info.