Pax West - Dragonhold - Someone took photos of changed passives?

Chilly-McFreeze

Vapirko wrote: »

PapaWeeb wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I'm a bit torn on the overwrite dots thingy. It could really *** you up if you're somewhat reliant on dots secondary effect like heals or you use it to proc stuff (surge, sets, etc.)

But I'm really excited about the stam sorc changes. Assuming they are for real.

Exactly, imagine trying to duo as 2x magDKs. "I wanna ember" "NO I wanna ember" "no heals for you!". Seems like a moronic fix, all that guesswork. You're either examining the target for DoTs or wasting GCDs. Just tone the dots down 10-20%.

We didn't have these problems before they buffed the *** out of DoTs.

But it would potential force more class diversity and strategically it would pay to have smaller groups hitting more spots. But it doesn’t quite add up. Either this is all made up or the big picture hasn’t come into focus. It could be that a few changes sound good but the overall changes are going to be much less interesting.

Exactly, not only that it doesn't add up, it's also a little self defeating. Now that they fiddled with classes to the point where everyone is using the same generic skills, it doesn't make much difference which class you're on.

Which dots do I use on classes that don't bring much own dot power to the table? E.g. mag/stam sorc. Entropy, Soul Trap, Reach? Too bad, your entire dot arsenal is useless. Poison Injection, Rending Slashes, Carve? No DoTs for you.

Beside that I'm really not keen on becoming useless just because someone is running the same class or set up as me. Forcing teams to use different classes is difficult when you only have so few to choose from. Also you have zero input on whom you're running across in Cyro.

It also raises question on how they will hande ground dots, pbaoe dots and ultimates like caltrops, hurricane, ballista.

Anyway, let's wait and see how much of that is actually true.

TriangularChicken wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

PapaWeeb wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I'm a bit torn on the overwrite dots thingy. It could really *** you up if you're somewhat reliant on dots secondary effect like heals or you use it to proc stuff (surge, sets, etc.)

But I'm really excited about the stam sorc changes. Assuming they are for real.

Exactly, imagine trying to duo as 2x magDKs. "I wanna ember" "NO I wanna ember" "no heals for you!". Seems like a moronic fix, all that guesswork. You're either examining the target for DoTs or wasting GCDs. Just tone the dots down 10-20%.

We didn't have these problems before they buffed the *** out of DoTs.

This is exactly old burning embers problem reintroducing for everyone..
Now back again, for example Entropy mana restore proc only while dot lasts and only when hitting affected enemy; another morph heals only when dot lasts. So overwriting dots negating bonuses of both morphs. Unless they will change morphs effects to be independant from damage.

@Cinbri
this is only a problem if you Xv1 somebody. they are also going to change proc sets, no more overpowered overwhelming and auroran cheese. imagine, when they also change living dark i bet a lot of people will have to learn to play mhmm.

It's always an issue unless you're Xv1 or small scaling in remote spaces because you can't controll who shows up. Plus everyone runs Soul Trap, Entropy etc.

Mayrael

Vapirko wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

They need to be careful with the DoT nerfs in PvE. They nerfed the *** out of all our other skills so that DoTs would become BiS. They may need to revert some of those previous nerfs.

Ok do they really need to nerf the initial damage of onslaught? Jesus Christ stam ultimate choices are going to be garbage. I hope it’s a minor nerf because DBoS is pretty lame rn and just not even worth using over Onslaught.

DBoS wasnt nerfed when compared to onslaught - onslaught was buffed into the sky, thats why nobody uses DBoS anymore. Even magicka toons use it (me included), its sick, none of my magicka ultimates can hit as hard as onslaught + providing such riddiculous buff for 12s

hakan

i wonder when i Poison inject an opponent with my master bow then other guy does the same and my extra weapon damage will be gone?

FM nerf sounds bad though.

FrancisCrawford

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

I'm a bit torn on the overwrite dots thingy. It could really *** you up if you're somewhat reliant on dots secondary effect like heals or you use it to proc stuff (surge, sets, etc.)

But I'm really excited about the stam sorc changes. Assuming they are for real.

1. I think it was written in those notes as PvP-only. (It would obviously be horrible in PvE Groupfinder PUGs.)
2. I doubt there's any problem with skills' true secondary effects. E.g., the Major Sorcery buff from Entropy lasts a lot longer now than the damage does.
3. Yeah, it could be a big issue with procs.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Hey guys, just wanted to clear some things up here. First, we did ask players not to take photos or videos of the gameplay since it was still a heavy work in progress, but we weren't escorting people out who did.

The build that was being shown was not the PTS build. Anyone who is saying otherwise is wrong and making things up. This build was taken from early August, so what people saw was already out of date. Any screenshots that are being circulated are mostly fake as many of the combat changes weren't even implemented into this build yet or weren't close to being finalized. Please take any information you see with a large grain of salt. The focus of the gameplay being shown at the event was on the zone of Southern Elsweyr and its content.

We are planning to post a high level summary of changes that are going into the upcoming PTS update, and will be posted within the next week or two.

red_emu

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, just wanted to clear some things up here. First, we did ask players not to take photos or videos of the gameplay since it was still a heavy work in progress, but we weren't escorting people out who did.

The build that was being shown was not the PTS build. Anyone who is saying otherwise is wrong and making things up. This build was taken from early August, so what people saw was already out of date. Any screenshots that are being circulated are mostly fake as many of the combat changes weren't even implemented into this build yet or weren't close to being finalized. Please take any information you see with a large grain of salt. The focus of the gameplay being shown at the event was on the zone of Southern Elsweyr and its content.

We are planning to post a high level summary of changes that are going into the upcoming PTS update, and will be posted within the next week or two.

I love when Gina steps in and shuts things down! 😎😎😎

Sandman929

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, just wanted to clear some things up here. First, we did ask players not to take photos or videos of the gameplay since it was still a heavy work in progress, but we weren't escorting people out who did.

The build that was being shown was not the PTS build. Anyone who is saying otherwise is wrong and making things up. This build was taken from early August, so what people saw was already out of date. Any screenshots that are being circulated are mostly fake as many of the combat changes weren't even implemented into this build yet or weren't close to being finalized. Please take any information you see with a large grain of salt. The focus of the gameplay being shown at the event was on the zone of Southern Elsweyr and its content.

We are planning to post a high level summary of changes that are going into the upcoming PTS update, and will be posted within the next week or two.

Excellent, thanks a lot. However, if overwriting the damage of others is still on the table, please relay some of the concerns expressed here. IMO this is a very bad way to curtail stacked damage if that damage is considered too high.

Wayshuba

Some of the comments seem legit, though the details are probably in a lot of flux.

I am reluctant after this disaster of a patch that removed all class identity and increased DoT wars to an ungodly level to go through all 16 of my characters and revise builds at this point.

I believe the part where ZoS may realize it is a mess right now but then ask myself why they didn't listen when they were getting this feedback while it was on PTS?

Furthermore, with all class identity stripped away in the Scalecaller patch that basically has so many asking why even have classes anymore, there is going to have to be some MAJOR class skill reworking to fix the destruction of the Scalecaller patch. If they do manage to fix this (I am not holding a lot of hope on it), it is going to mean all builds need to be reworked again.

If it is true about having a 5 sec GCD on Proc sets, the this is further going to upend the builds as they stand today. Furthermore, I hope this isn't implemented halfway - many sets, especially monsters sets, are going to need to be completely reworked if this is true. Kind of hard not to have two proc sets in DPS builds.

I have played MMOs for many years and I am used to constant class balance. I have never seen an MMO that basically upended all the gameplay in one patch like the Scalecaller patch did - basically wiping out years of effort in building your charaters. Furthermore, this is happening more now and it just gets frustrating to have to rebuild 16 characters over again with each patch every three months. Outside of maybe three characters right now, I don't even want to go through the effort because - with the supposed class identity fixes - all of this work is going to be thrown out the window when Dragonhold drops.

ZoS, do the class balance patch and then stick to small adjustments after that. Stop wiping out players' work in building their toons wholesale. It is frustrating, and people don't play a game to be frustrated.

red_emu

Wayshuba wrote: »

Some of the comments seem legit, though the details are probably in a lot of flux.

I am reluctant after this disaster of a patch that removed all class identity and increased DoT wars to an ungodly level to go through all 16 of my characters and revise builds at this point.

I believe the part where ZoS may realize it is a mess right now but then ask myself why they didn't listen when they were getting this feedback while it was on PTS?

Furthermore, with all class identity stripped away in the Scalecaller patch that basically has so many asking why even have classes anymore, there is going to have to be some MAJOR class skill reworking to fix the destruction of the Scalecaller patch. If they do manage to fix this (I am not holding a lot of hope on it), it is going to mean all builds need to be reworked again.

If it is true about having a 5 sec GCD on Proc sets, the this is further going to upend the builds as they stand today. Furthermore, I hope this isn't implemented halfway - many sets, especially monsters sets, are going to need to be completely reworked if this is true. Kind of hard not to have two proc sets in DPS builds.

I have played MMOs for many years and I am used to constant class balance. I have never seen an MMO that basically upended all the gameplay in one patch like the Scalecaller patch did - basically wiping out years of effort in building your charaters. Furthermore, this is happening more now and it just gets frustrating to have to rebuild 16 characters over again with each patch every three months. Outside of maybe three characters right now, I don't even want to go through the effort because - with the supposed class identity fixes - all of this work is going to be thrown out the window when Dragonhold drops.

ZoS, do the class balance patch and then stick to small adjustments after that. Stop wiping out players' work in building their toons wholesale. It is frustrating, and people don't play a game to be frustrated.

Read a couple of posts up. Gina already confirmed the info to be fake.

JamieAubrey

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

"Auriel's bow is the next artifact"

Course it is, ANOTHER STAM item, Give us Magic Users something

Wayshuba

red_emu wrote: »

Read a couple of posts up. Gina already confirmed the info to be fake.

She didn't confirm it to be fake - she said to take things with a grain of salt.

That means some of it may be true, other things may not, and still some things may change.

However, the overall tone of certain things said already fits with things that have been published - such as re-establishing class identity after having completely wiped it out in the Scalebreaker patch.

What I was trying to say is I hope ZoS realizes how frustrating this is for players to have everything you worked on wiped out in one patch. From racial changes, to this homogenization patch that is a total mess, to now the upcoming class identities changes.

Adjustments here and there are to be expected - it is an MMO afterall. But to completely wipe out everything the game has been up to this point was a bit much with Scalecaller. All we can hope for is that they fix this with the Class Identity patch and then it becomes a small series of adjustments after that - not a wholesale wipe out of everything it has been up to that point.

WildRaptorX

@Tasear

Heady

remeber the last times things were "fake"

Minnesinger

Oh damn now we need to lift our fingers from the panic button. I am still ready when the "real" ones come up

starkerealm

Heady wrote: »

remeber the last times things were "fake"

Last time was a little different. This is someone pretending they found changes that weren't there, and that one of the devs told them things that no one on the Dev team would ever talk about publicly.

SidraWillowsky

starkerealm wrote: »

Heady wrote: »

remeber the last times things were "fake"

Last time was a little different. This is someone pretending they found changes that weren't there, and that one of the devs told them things that no one on the Dev team would ever talk about publicly.

Last time, ZoS stayed silent for at least a week. No comments like this one saying to take what we read with a grain of salt. This to me indicates that the changes talked about are not actually legit...

Heatnix90

red_emu wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, just wanted to clear some things up here. First, we did ask players not to take photos or videos of the gameplay since it was still a heavy work in progress, but we weren't escorting people out who did.

The build that was being shown was not the PTS build. Anyone who is saying otherwise is wrong and making things up. This build was taken from early August, so what people saw was already out of date. Any screenshots that are being circulated are mostly fake as many of the combat changes weren't even implemented into this build yet or weren't close to being finalized. Please take any information you see with a large grain of salt. The focus of the gameplay being shown at the event was on the zone of Southern Elsweyr and its content.

We are planning to post a high level summary of changes that are going into the upcoming PTS update, and will be posted within the next week or two.

I love when Gina steps in and shuts things down! 😎😎😎

ZOS had to make a statement, think that's a loss for them already, chief.

enzoisadog

They might be fake but I would expect zos to do some changes like that LUL

starkerealm

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Heady wrote: »

remeber the last times things were "fake"

Last time was a little different. This is someone pretending they found changes that weren't there, and that one of the devs told them things that no one on the Dev team would ever talk about publicly.

Last time, ZoS stayed silent for at least a week. No comments like this one saying to take what we read with a grain of salt. This to me indicates that the changes talked about are not actually legit...

They're not. I mean, some of the stuff like passive changes, I couldn't be sure, all I could say with absolute certainty is, I didn't see anything like that. Now we know, it's BS. Someone wanted attention.

Heatnix90

starkerealm wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Heady wrote: »

remeber the last times things were "fake"

Last time was a little different. This is someone pretending they found changes that weren't there, and that one of the devs told them things that no one on the Dev team would ever talk about publicly.

Last time, ZoS stayed silent for at least a week. No comments like this one saying to take what we read with a grain of salt. This to me indicates that the changes talked about are not actually legit...

They're not. I mean, some of the stuff like passive changes, I couldn't be sure, all I could say with absolute certainty is, I didn't see anything like that. Now we know, it's BS. Someone wanted attention.

2 videos, a 4 page thread, and several streamers talking about the changes. Not to mention the various discords of people losing their minds over said changes (can get screenshots of said meltdowns).

red_emu

Heatnix90 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Heady wrote: »

remeber the last times things were "fake"

Last time was a little different. This is someone pretending they found changes that weren't there, and that one of the devs told them things that no one on the Dev team would ever talk about publicly.

Last time, ZoS stayed silent for at least a week. No comments like this one saying to take what we read with a grain of salt. This to me indicates that the changes talked about are not actually legit...

They're not. I mean, some of the stuff like passive changes, I couldn't be sure, all I could say with absolute certainty is, I didn't see anything like that. Now we know, it's BS. Someone wanted attention.

2 videos, a 4 page thread, and several streamers talking about the changes. Not to mention the various discords of people losing their minds over said changes (can get screenshots of said meltdowns).

Yay. Please do! I love meltdowns! 😆😆😆

Heatnix90

red_emu wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Heady wrote: »

remeber the last times things were "fake"

Last time was a little different. This is someone pretending they found changes that weren't there, and that one of the devs told them things that no one on the Dev team would ever talk about publicly.

Last time, ZoS stayed silent for at least a week. No comments like this one saying to take what we read with a grain of salt. This to me indicates that the changes talked about are not actually legit...

They're not. I mean, some of the stuff like passive changes, I couldn't be sure, all I could say with absolute certainty is, I didn't see anything like that. Now we know, it's BS. Someone wanted attention.

2 videos, a 4 page thread, and several streamers talking about the changes. Not to mention the various discords of people losing their minds over said changes (can get screenshots of said meltdowns).

Yay. Please do! I love meltdowns! 😆😆😆

https://imgur.com/7MJdvUC

From the guy who made the fakes

red_emu

Heatnix90 wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Heady wrote: »

remeber the last times things were "fake"

Last time was a little different. This is someone pretending they found changes that weren't there, and that one of the devs told them things that no one on the Dev team would ever talk about publicly.

Last time, ZoS stayed silent for at least a week. No comments like this one saying to take what we read with a grain of salt. This to me indicates that the changes talked about are not actually legit...

They're not. I mean, some of the stuff like passive changes, I couldn't be sure, all I could say with absolute certainty is, I didn't see anything like that. Now we know, it's BS. Someone wanted attention.

2 videos, a 4 page thread, and several streamers talking about the changes. Not to mention the various discords of people losing their minds over said changes (can get screenshots of said meltdowns).

Yay. Please do! I love meltdowns! 😆😆😆

https://imgur.com/7MJdvUC

From the guy who made the fakes

So basically they admit they made it all up.

Yet there will be a dozen keyboard warriors here still saying some of it is true lol

SidraWillowsky

Yeah, confirmed fake. Sigh, he got me for a bit...

https://imgur.com/eL2kAGT

Cinbri

So, no one from pax west knows what is unique feature of dlc, is it arena with new weapons or new skilline, etc...?

Heatnix90

Cinbri wrote: »

So, no one from pax west knows what is unique feature of dlc, is it arena with new weapons or new skilline, etc...?

Again, the people playing the demo at PAX were 100% casual, no way they would have made beyond the outskirts of Senechal and actually explored the map. You'd have to go in knowing what to look for if you were any bit serious about getting solid information regarding gameplay/balance/trial stuff.

Tryxus

JamieAubrey wrote: »

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

So I woke up to my discord being the recipient of more PAX info, guess this has been making the rounds or something

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608161045051342849/617579583322980362/unknown.png

Big nerfs to zergplay if this is true.

"Auriel's bow is the next artifact"

Course it is, ANOTHER STAM item, Give us Magic Users something

The Staff of Magnus

Finedaible

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Just because they are showcasing Dragonhold content does not mean they're showcasing balance content. That's probably an entirely separate team and timeline, so we'll have to wait to know for sure.

Whatever changes there are (if any) are likely to be changed by the time PTS is open, and definitely by the time Dragonhold hits live.

pls no forum riot over dragonhold preview screenshot

Thanks for the chuckle, I needed that. Track record would show otherwise however. We all know by now that any change made by ZoS is virtually unchangeable from the moment they made it no matter how much feedback the playerbase or Class Representatives make. What you see is 99% what we will eventually get.

baratron

SantieClaws wrote: »

What is all this number crunchy crunching stuff?

Didn't anyone make notes on new furnishings? Costumes? Houses? The good stuff!

We talked about this in the UESP Podcast last night.
https://youtu.be/NYqIZp6Y5Iw?t=3422

THERE ARE TINY ALFIQ HOUSES THAT ONLY ALFIQ CAN FIT INTO!

TiZzA93

Alfiq houses! OMFG btw any more fur stocks?