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How hard will they nerf the Templar?
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p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭So now, that we have dozens of #nerfPlar threads, enormous salt mines and oceans of tears about how fun... I mean OP MagPlar is I think it's time to start predicting how hard will Zeni destroy the entire class.
Will it be just a slight adjustment to a couple of OP skills? Or will it be nerfing entire skill lines, passives and adding 2500 mag / 1800 stam cost to all the skills?
Also, how soon before Soul Trap and Entropy become worse than pre-Scalebreaker?
Place your bets below 🤪
I do not see how Templar can be nerfed. Is not the damage that doing, but cheap access to Purge used for the healers.
If Cleanse is nerfed, then everyone in PVE should require to use Purge..... Good luck with that.
The only nerf needed is the single target dots (Poison, Bleeds etc) and that would affect EVERYONE as is not Templar specific.
Per se Templar didn't got any buff. Cleanse was always there over the last 5 years.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on August 30, 2019 11:15PM6 -
Thalmor-Nordmaster✭✭✭✭✭Wing you are correct ! DOTOPIA DOTODIIL!!!
I propose that the cost of purge be 2400 magic with a stamina morph of the same value!!!! If you get dots on you in real life from a Sharpie pen; soap is available to all and it is affordable !!!!!Edited by Thalmor-Nordmaster on August 30, 2019 11:08PM2 -
Mrsinister2✭✭✭✭✭All I can see them adjusting is eclipse nothing else about Templar is op and they already made cleanse really expensive.
I'm not really sure what Templar ability you guys are dying to but there is no insta dead necro bash, overload, 30k shield nonsense going on at all.
Once dots are adjusted and eclipse nerf Templar will fall right back down to where it was at imo3 -
Enkil✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can see them trying to give Templar’s purge capability to Necro’s to sell more Elsweyr chapters. The obvious cash grabs are getting more and more brazen with each big patch.
ummm, necro already has a great purge.
anyone who has played in the dot meta (or abused it) should know who can cleanse and who cannot
templar - cleanse
necro - cleanse
NB - suppresses dots
warden - cannot actually cleanse in practice - rekt
DK - rekt
sorc - rekt
though there is an expensive magicka purge, Wyrd Tree, and Curse Eater.
just gotta keep track
Yeah I know, I meant the group purge synergy capability, but it was a sarcastic response.
I'd much rather play my Warden over my Templar but the Warden cannot handle the barrage of broken DoTs the patch brought about.0 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a nb I don’t think templar should be nerf at all I hate nerfs but rather buff the other classes damage a little nerfs do no good.1 -
ShellaSunshine✭✭✭There's a reason ZoS buffed the templars in the first place.
They were bad. I mean really really really bad at damage. Not just in PvP either.
ZoS has been working hard to balance the templars and to get them on par with the other classes.
I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭ShellaSunshine wrote: »There's a reason ZoS buffed the templars in the first place.
They were bad. I mean really really really bad at damage. Not just in PvP either.
ZoS has been working hard to balance the templars and to get them on par with the other classes.
I wouldn't worry too much about it.
I'm all about improvements.
But templars were not bad.
They were strong last patch. They are..... enjoyable this patch. lol2 -
GallantGuardian✭✭✭✭Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GallantGuardian wrote: »Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...
People are too dumb to stop direct damage attacks for 6 seconds so they self immobilize themselves.
Heal and cleanse.Edited by TequilaFire on August 31, 2019 1:56AM5 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GallantGuardian wrote: »Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...
BGs are overrun with Templars at the moment, and they’re ALL using Living Dark. That alone should give you indication enough that it’s the new cheese du jour. One Templar using Living Dark in a BG isn’t annoying. 8+ Templars using Living Dark in a BG = a new CC meta that’s worse than the old frost blockade meta.Edited by Aurielle on August 31, 2019 2:10AM3 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »GallantGuardian wrote: »Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...
People are too dumb to stop direct damage attacks for 6 seconds so they self immobilize themselves.
Heal and cleanse.
You can’t cleanse Living Dark... it’s attached to the caster, who can keep it up permanently like DK wings.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »GallantGuardian wrote: »Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...
People are too dumb to stop direct damage attacks for 6 seconds so they self immobilize themselves.
Heal and cleanse.
Umm what ? Do You even know how that ability works now @TequilaFire ?1 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭ShellaSunshine wrote: »There's a reason ZoS buffed the templars in the first place.
They were bad. I mean really really really bad at damage. Not just in PvP either.
ZoS has been working hard to balance the templars and to get them on par with the other classes.
I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Yet the changes have nothing to do with the Templars as nothing was "buffed" not even Extended Ritual which is what we talking about. Hell two days ago on the healers discussion someone called the Extended Ritual useless skill!!!
And Extended Ritual or Total Dark/etc are like that the last 5 years without change.
The spotlight came to the Templars because of the dot changes the last patch brought, so Extended Ritual is in effect a good defense.
The only "damage" related change to Templars, which is a boon, is Razor Caltrops. As it was the only class without access to Major Fracture without using NMG or S&B, and is not a class skill either.2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »GallantGuardian wrote: »Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...
People are too dumb to stop direct damage attacks for 6 seconds so they self immobilize themselves.
Heal and cleanse.
Umm what ? Do You even know how that ability works now @TequilaFire ?
Eclipse can be cleansed, Dark cannot as it is on the caster, not using direct damage attacks healing and cleansing other dots is still the way to go. It is automatic for me.1 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭When magNB was strong, it was because of meta that fits them, not class buffs. Templar situation is the same right now. And I saw many main templars who starts nerf Nb threads and they were happy when nerf hits them hard...
Hope templar nerf will be hard. It's no longer about justice, now it's about revenge!
In more serious note, they should buff other classes but we all know that it isn't ZoS way of balance. They will nerf them like they nerfed my poor NB boi
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p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »GallantGuardian wrote: »Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...
People are too dumb to stop direct damage attacks for 6 seconds so they self immobilize themselves.
Heal and cleanse.
Umm what ? Do You even know how that ability works now @TequilaFire ?
Eclipse can be cleansed, Dark cannot as it is on the caster, not using direct damage attacks healing and cleansing other dots is still the way to go. It is automatic for me.
Then don't attack the caster. DKs & NBs were crying for 5 years in this forum for "Total Dark". Which basically one shotted all macro users. Living Dark is a heavily nerfed version, and immobilizes them. Is fine.
Guess who cried most against Total Dark? The DKs, even few months ago in this very forum.2 -
usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
✭So now, that we have dozens of #nerfPlar threads, enormous salt mines and oceans of tears about how fun... I mean OP MagPlar is I think it's time to start predicting how hard will Zeni destroy the entire class.
Will it be just a slight adjustment to a couple of OP skills? Or will it be nerfing entire skill lines, passives and adding 2500 mag / 1800 stam cost to all the skills?
Also, how soon before Soul Trap and Entropy become worse than pre-Scalebreaker?
Place your bets below 🤪
The question really is:
How bad will stamplar get screwed vs how literally unscathed magplar will be?Edited by usmguy1234 on August 31, 2019 3:06PMZaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.5 -
BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »When magNB was strong, it was because of meta that fits them, not class buffs. Templar situation is the same right now. And I saw many main templars who starts nerf Nb threads and they were happy when nerf hits them hard...
Hope templar nerf will be hard. It's no longer about justice, now it's about revenge!
In more serious note, they should buff other classes but we all know that it isn't ZoS way of balance. They will nerf them like they nerfed my poor NB boi
Magnb is strong in pvp. To be honest no magic class is even in a bad spot right now. Maybe necro, possibly mag warden can make an argument but not really since they’re top tier support healers and damage dealers.
Edited by BaiterOfZergs on August 31, 2019 3:10AMZerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »GallantGuardian wrote: »Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...
People are too dumb to stop direct damage attacks for 6 seconds so they self immobilize themselves.
Heal and cleanse.
Umm what ? Do You even know how that ability works now @TequilaFire ?
Eclipse can be cleansed, Dark cannot as it is on the caster, not using direct damage attacks healing and cleansing other dots is still the way to go. It is automatic for me.
Not using direct damage on caster lol. So now to fight templar and not be completly controlled by him I need to stop using direct damage and apply DoTs only on him which basically gives him control over me since he can cleanse the DoTs. Basically now fighting magplar will penalize You for whatever type of dmg You'll use because You'll get rooted when using direct dmg and Your DoTs will be cleansed for less then it costs You to apply them. Templar already had passive 30% snare and now it got passive immobilize. Passive control is simply stupid. That is the reason why dk wings no longer reflect projectiles for example because against certain playstyles it enabled too much passive control.Edited by Juhasow on August 31, 2019 3:26AM4 -
eso_lytw8✭✭✭I think they have learned to stop listening to the nerf class xyz threads. They have hurt the game and now have a new direction. But only time will tell.< Xbox NA PVE >1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »So now, that we have dozens of #nerfPlar threads, enormous salt mines and oceans of tears about how fun... I mean OP MagPlar is I think it's time to start predicting how hard will Zeni destroy the entire class.
Will it be just a slight adjustment to a couple of OP skills? Or will it be nerfing entire skill lines, passives and adding 2500 mag / 1800 stam cost to all the skills?
Also, how soon before Soul Trap and Entropy become worse than pre-Scalebreaker?
Place your bets below 🤪
The question really is:
How bad will stamplar get screwed vs how literally unscathed magplar will be.
This guy gets it.1 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »toxic topic is toxic
eso has just become a waiting game for changes that annoy me - i start to despise this game, the developpers and the forum - the best thing that could happen is if bethesda sells the brand to someone else
I like to think that somewhere, in an alternate timeline, EA owns the Elder Scrolls brand..."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »toxic topic is toxic
eso has just become a waiting game for changes that annoy me - i start to despise this game, the developpers and the forum - the best thing that could happen is if bethesda sells the brand to someone else
I like to think that somewhere, in an alternate timeline, EA owns the Elder Scrolls brand...
So they can ruin it like Mass Effect 😂"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »toxic topic is toxic
eso has just become a waiting game for changes that annoy me - i start to despise this game, the developpers and the forum - the best thing that could happen is if bethesda sells the brand to someone else
I like to think that somewhere, in an alternate timeline, EA owns the Elder Scrolls brand...
So they can ruin it like Mass Effect 😂
Couldn't be worse than Anthem...
"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just bury living dark. That's the one thing making magplars so annoying to deal with."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 4330 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »GallantGuardian wrote: »Living dark immobilizes the enemy hitting the caster and heals the caster how is it op?
Now I will say I’d rather the immobilize be point blank aoe... but that heal isn’t that strong from what I can see
So what is it that make that ability op...
People are too dumb to stop direct damage attacks for 6 seconds so they self immobilize themselves.
Heal and cleanse.
Umm what ? Do You even know how that ability works now @TequilaFire ?
Eclipse can be cleansed, Dark cannot as it is on the caster, not using direct damage attacks healing and cleansing other dots is still the way to go. It is automatic for me.
Not using direct damage on caster lol. So now to fight templar and not be completly controlled by him I need to stop using direct damage and apply DoTs only on him which basically gives him control over me since he can cleanse the DoTs. Basically now fighting magplar will penalize You for whatever type of dmg You'll use because You'll get rooted when using direct dmg and Your DoTs will be cleansed for less then it costs You to apply them. Templar already had passive 30% snare and now it got passive immobilize. Passive control is simply stupid. That is the reason why dk wings no longer reflect projectiles for example because against certain playstyles it enabled too much passive control.
Thats right, might as well ignore that magplar healer keeping his/her entire team alive, since they have LD on xD.
What pisses me off that it roots even on ranged attacks.
I think the heal is justified for the ability's cost, the root coukd go away id still use it on my magplar.
Also it should get removed when the templar goes into mistform, great fun getting rooted then you cant even see the LD animation cuz of mistform.0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »toxic topic is toxic
eso has just become a waiting game for changes that annoy me - i start to despise this game, the developpers and the forum - the best thing that could happen is if bethesda sells the brand to someone else
I like to think that somewhere, in an alternate timeline, EA owns the Elder Scrolls brand...
So they can ruin it like Mass Effect 😂
Couldn't be worse than Anthem...
Lul, in comparison to what is thrown on the market this year, Andromeda looks not so bad ><0
