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Pay to Win
Bighits
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Now that ESO is moving more towards a pay-to-win game... I think they should implement a means in which players can earn crowns within the game. The crown's could be tied to achievements or trophies. What do you think?
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Bighits✭✭✭I think it would be fair to players who don't want to spend the money, or have the money to spend, but also don't want to be left behind by the players that have the money to quickly buy these new skills, skyshards etc2
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KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭Now that ESO is moving more towards a pay-to-win game... I think they should implement a means in which players can earn crowns within the game. The crown's could be tied to achievements or trophies. What do you think?
So because you can buy skill lines on ALTERNATE characters it is pay to win? Please, you have to grind the subsequent skill line on another character first before you can even unlock it on a second, third, etc. character.
Was it a seemingly huge money grab to buff all skills within purchasable skill lines to be almost BiS across the board? Yes. But you still had to grind at least once to get it done. It is not pay to win, it is pay for convenience.
Put down the pitchfork and get to grinding.41 -
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✭✭Absolutely, because that would mean account wide achievements and titles would be implemented to stop people from farming crowns.PvP needs more love.2 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭I think it would be fair to players who don't want to spend the money, or have the money to spend, but also don't want to be left behind by the players that have the money to quickly buy these new skills, skyshards etc
These skills are not new to their account neither are the sky shards, this whole thread is naive or you don't understand what the purchasable skill line actually is and how it works. If you don't know how it works then you should read up on it before posting.20 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Although I'm not a fan of the direction this stuff is taking - it's still not pay to win.25 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The crowns would have to be once per account, otherwise players would create many alts to farm easy to get achievements for crowns.
If you really want to earn crowns in game, trade gold for crown store gifts.5 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'll let you in on a little secret. These skill lines etc are just a ploy for ZOS to squeeze more money out of us than they'd get from adding class change tokens. Now you need to make a new character and buy everything for way over 10k crowns instead of one class change token worth 4000 or so crowns.
But yes, it's still not pay to win unless you are talking about lvl3 duelling tournaments, in which case it is I guess.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.4 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pay to win, not pay to win....whatever.
The real deal here is Zos will never give crowns out for in game achievements. That would cut into thier profits. There's a reason they stopped giving out crown crates for log in rewards. Players could stock gems, instead of playing the lottery and buying crates.
If you want crowns, buy them or sub to ESO+.Edited by Kel on August 28, 2019 8:14PM5 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. An easier and safer way to trade crowns for gold between players sure, but earning crowns should never become an aspect of the game itself.
As mentioned above you need to complete the skill lines and collect the skyshards on one character first before you can even purchase them for others. No effort = no opportunity to purchase skill lines/skyshards regardless of how many crowns you have.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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MizoreReyes✭✭✭Why do we have to earn crowns when they could just add a fair gold alternative method for skyshards, and skill line upgrades. I mean like face it, they'd make earning crowns a grind fest as well too.1 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭MizoreReyes wrote: »Why do we have to earn crowns when they could just add a fair gold alternative method for skyshards, and skill line upgrades. I mean like face it, they'd make earning crowns a grind fest as well too.
I don't necessarily mind this idea but what would the conversion of crowns to gold in that scenario? Like 500g per crown or 1k? I know on PC-NA I can sell for 200g per crown easy and sometimes more depending on the time, and I know PC-EU is more from seeing a few threads in the last month mention it.1 -
FinneganFroth✭✭✭✭✭When will people finally understand the difference between pay-to-win and pay-for-convenience...?7 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »So because you can buy skill lines on ALTERNATE characters it is pay to win?
It is P2W, especially in low level BGs / Cyro.
Tell me, if I create a new alt, what level I will be at, if I will max out fighters guild, mages guild and undaunted ? It is hell of a grind and I do believe that I will be at max level (50) by the time I will level those skills up. Not to mention that I will have to explore some zones in order to get skill points from skyshards.
With that being said, If I will create new alt, and right after tutorial I can literally BUY fully levelled skills lines and skill points... and still be at level 3. This means that I can just level up to level 10 to unlock PvP, and start PvPing while having access to all those skills like: Meteor, Dawnbreaker, Turn Evil, Undaunted passives... And on top of that I will still have access to low-level up scaling bonus.
The point is: There is no other way to get those skill lines and still be low level other than paying for it, which means that player who paid RL MONEY has an advantage over some one who did not, meaning that it is in fact, PAY TO WIN.
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Purchasing skill lines is not pay to win.
There is no incentive for ZoS to allow crowns to be earned through game play.
Even if they did allow it do you expect it would be quicker than just getting the skill lines in game?
The gold alternative is a worse idea than the crown store idea that has been put in place. There are players that can make a few million gold each week through trading. Selling a few rare motifs shouldn't be a way to advance a skill line.
and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
Saelent✭✭✭✭✭It isn’t pay to win because:
1. The effect of being ahead doesn’t last past low level BGs.
2. The skills aren’t required to be competitive.
3. Low level BGs don’t have any scoring passed the end of the BG, no global measurements...I’m drunk and forget the name. Basically, it doesn’t mean anything.5 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »So because you can buy skill lines on ALTERNATE characters it is pay to win?
It is P2W, especially in low level BGs / Cyro.
And assuming your argument is correct, what you "WIN" in BG/Cyro? The battle? You serious?
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regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭Now that ESO is moving more towards a pay-to-win game... I think they should implement a means in which players can earn crowns within the game. The crown's could be tied to achievements or trophies. What do you think?Now that ESO is moving more towards a pay-to-win game... I think they should implement a means in which players can earn crowns within the game. The crown's could be tied to achievements or trophies. What do you think?
It's not pay to win.2 -
Tsuriel✭✭✭A gold > Crown exchange system similar to Guild Wars 2 would be suitable, although I'm sure ZOS would do everything in their power to mess the exchange economy up enough to 'force' people to buy crowns instead.0
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Enkil✭✭✭✭✭
✭KappaKid83 wrote: »I think it would be fair to players who don't want to spend the money, or have the money to spend, but also don't want to be left behind by the players that have the money to quickly buy these new skills, skyshards etc
These skills are not new to their account neither are the sky shards, this whole thread is naive or you don't understand what the purchasable skill line actually is and how it works. If you don't know how it works then you should read up on it before posting.
Naïve you say? I know exactly how those things work and have unlocked them. I see the game becoming increasingly Pay2win. Players that pay monthly sub shouldn’t have to pay $30/skill line to unlock this stuff. They could have easily been made available in game for in-game currency, at least for subscribers.
To not realize that ZOS is doing huge cash grab with this stuff from people that play for free as well as those that pay sub and has crossed the line to P2Win is what I would consider naïve.
Edited by Enkil on August 29, 2019 5:08AM2 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It’s more like pay 2 lose tbh#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom2 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭this patch is completely garbage/ go reroll to Templar necro if you want to have a better time! and this is the patch that has made me go to vanilla wow
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Hotel6✭✭✭It's only p2w for under 50 b"g players,other then that how is anything p2w? (i would say bis gear behind dlc lock but i cant fight that LOL ).0
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✭The should be crown nodes to farm in the world, or fish. Or perhaps crafters should be able to craft crowns. Also daily crown hireling.1 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Now that ESO is moving more towards a pay-to-win game... I think they should implement a means in which players can earn crowns within the game. The crown's could be tied to achievements or trophies. What do you think?
The game is already pay-to-win, and already replete with predatory monetization models. This absolutely needs to happen if this game has any chance of actually having an ethical microtransaction shop. Which is precisely why it won’t happen. Not unti enough kids get their heads out of the dirt and recognize how bad it has gotten in this game... and respond with their wallets snapping shut.2 -
Bighits✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »The should be crown nodes to farm in the world, or fish. Or perhaps crafters should be able to craft crowns. Also daily crown hireling.
Lol.....best idea ever...☝️0 -
Rake✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »Now that ESO is moving more towards a pay-to-win game... I think they should implement a means in which players can earn crowns within the game. The crown's could be tied to achievements or trophies. What do you think?
So because you can buy skill lines on ALTERNATE characters it is pay to win? Please, you have to grind the subsequent skill line on another character first before you can even unlock it on a second, third, etc. character.
Was it a seemingly huge money grab to buff all skills within purchasable skill lines to be almost BiS across the board? Yes. But you still had to grind at least once to get it done. It is not pay to win, it is pay for convenience.
Put down the pitchfork and get to grinding.
what about PvP on low level alts?
you clearly didnt see how it looks like to face someone lvl 20 with all guilds maxed while ur poor low lvl alt still struggles to get things done the non P2W way1 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »I think it would be fair to players who don't want to spend the money, or have the money to spend, but also don't want to be left behind by the players that have the money to quickly buy these new skills, skyshards etc
These skills are not new to their account neither are the sky shards, this whole thread is naive or you don't understand what the purchasable skill line actually is and how it works. If you don't know how it works then you should read up on it before posting.
Naïve you say? I know exactly how those things works and have unlocked them. I see the game becoming increasingly Pay2win. Players that pay monthly sub shouldn’t have to pay $30/skill line to unlock this stuff. They could have easily been made available in game for in-game currency, at least for subscribers.
To not realize that ZOS is doing huge cash grab and with this stuff from people that play for free as well as those that pay sub and crossed the line to P2Win is what I would consider naïve.
Increasingly pay to win multiplicative starting with zero.
It is a cash grab but so is all the pretty ponies and they are not pay to win either.
I see buying skill lines as more a pay not to play scenario and to me that is a silly thing to pay for.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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✭✭✭Ugh, not this again. Its not P2W until they put stuff like VMA weapons or trials gear in the crown store. Things you have to complete content to obtain, are not obtainable in other ways, are locked behind typically difficult content, and you only get a set number of items per completion. Like a VMA bow or dagger or staff, etc.
Skill lines for sale are the classic "how much is your time worth" marketing approach, especially as you have to have completed the skill line on one of your characters.5
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