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PURCHASABLE SKILL LINE PRICES

  • pdblake
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    tbh, I would have thought levelling things up on mages and psijics a second of third time would be easier anyway. By then at least you know where everything is lol
  • reg369
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    Alcast wrote: »
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    Do you guys think this is good or bad for the game? On a side note, check out one of our new sites: https://eso-housing.com/

    Buying skills is always a terrible idea. I love ESO and I think the PvE, roleplaying and questing will survive but (if we keep going the way of adding more and more pay 2 win elements in) the hole competetive PvE and PvP scene will take big damage because of these elements. It seems that there will be two ways to play ESO:
    1. Progressing through the game by playing it
    2. Buying your progress for 20$ in the Crown Shop.


  • reg369
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    I hope they add the best gear sets on the Crown store because I can eventually get them through grinding. I worked long hours in real life and its my money so I can do whatever I want with it like paying the game to play for me. I'll continue to throw money at ZO$ for these skill lines because they didn't bother making a gold option or an account-wide features to this. The main reason I continue to throw money at ZO$ is because I hope that one day they'd optimize the game, especially from the bottom of my heart for the servers...

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    Are you *** joking?
  • Jhalin
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    reg369 wrote: »
    I hope they add the best gear sets on the Crown store because I can eventually get them through grinding. I worked long hours in real life and its my money so I can do whatever I want with it like paying the game to play for me. I'll continue to throw money at ZO$ for these skill lines because they didn't bother making a gold option or an account-wide features to this. The main reason I continue to throw money at ZO$ is because I hope that one day they'd optimize the game, especially from the bottom of my heart for the servers...

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    Are you *** joking?

    He did add the meme to make his sarcasm clear

    People will happily accept “pay for convenience” while insisting it’s totally not P2W because ‘well you can get it in game eventually”
  • Artanisul
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    Jhalin wrote: »
    reg369 wrote: »
    I hope they add the best gear sets on the Crown store because I can eventually get them through grinding. I worked long hours in real life and its my money so I can do whatever I want with it like paying the game to play for me. I'll continue to throw money at ZO$ for these skill lines because they didn't bother making a gold option or an account-wide features to this. The main reason I continue to throw money at ZO$ is because I hope that one day they'd optimize the game, especially from the bottom of my heart for the servers...

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    Are you *** joking?

    He did add the meme to make his sarcasm clear

    People will happily accept “pay for convenience” while insisting it’s totally not P2W because ‘well you can get it in game eventually”

    To me he is saying that calling it predatory is what the guy is reacting to. Calling it convenience is what the guy is agreeing with.

    This is just a continuation of what has been encroaching on gaming for years. ESO's pricing is the worst of the games I have dealt with.
  • LordLomax
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    Am I the only one that doesn’t mind the undaunted grind it means you get a skill point for each one plus level your skills. Mages guild on the other hand is so tedious and boring iv don’t it on my main not agAin I only need it on my sorc currently level 4 seriously considering buying it !
  • N00BxV1
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    This is just *** gross. What's next, pay for fully leveled characters? smfh

    Anyone who buys this *** is just enabling them to do this. Stop enabling this behavior!
    Edited by N00BxV1 on August 27, 2019 12:44PM
  • youninjabro
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    Was expecting something around the 5K mark for Mages Guild, I honestly think it’s fair pay £15 or spend the day farming lorebooks tell you which one I’d rather do?
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  • Turelus
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    Was expecting something around the 5K mark for Mages Guild, I honestly think it’s fair pay £15 or spend the day farming lorebooks tell you which one I’d rather do?
    Farm the lore books and go buy some nice pizza.
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    "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
  • Massive_Stain
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    Game has finally gone full pay to win
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    PS4: CP 1500+ Dro Dest, SoTN, Bringer of light, CragHMs, EoF, IR, TTT
    Xbox: CP 450 Fungal Grotto 1 HM
  • Bobby_V_Rockit
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    Who would pay for legerdemain? Or thieves guild?! OR DARK BROTHERHOOD! Nothing useful between any of them 🤷🏻‍♂️
  • Turelus
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    Who would pay for legerdemain? Or thieves guild?! OR DARK BROTHERHOOD! Nothing useful between any of them 🤷🏻‍♂️
    I mean if you have so much disposable income you wouldn't miss it I am sure there are enough people who would buy them up rather than grind them again.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
    "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
  • Kalik_Gold
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    300,000 gold per line. Not bad (Ps4/na). Basically 1 day play to grind the line, or grind the gold in most scenarios.
    Main Character:
    Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige

    PvP Pure-class:
    Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
    Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
    Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
    Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

    PvP: Subclassed or Specialty
    Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer (Tank)
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer (Healer)
    Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
    Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist /Sorcerer
    Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden (Ice-Theme)

    PvE:
    Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
    Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Redguard** Dragonknight (Raid Damage) --- Name change needed

    PvE: Specialty
    Tyrus Septim an Imperial Sorcerer (Dungeon Damage)
    Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (Arenas)
    Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)

    Leveling...
    Styx of Akatosh a Goblin*** Arcanist --- Race change needed
    Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Lycan Sorcerer
    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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    Passives of another race used:
    *Breton
    **Imperial
    ***Argonian




    __________________________Backstories:_________________________

    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
    PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant
  • Starlock
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    Who would pay for legerdemain?

    I would. Do you know how long it takes to level that when you are doing a thief character? I would absolutely buy it if the developers had done the ethical thing and made skill lines purchasable for IN GAME GOLD ONLY and none of this cash shop exploitation bull crap.

    Instead, I'm never buying another crown pack for this game. Because $#@% Zenimax and $#@% their unethical microtransaction monetization scummery.
  • Starlock
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    Kalik_Gold wrote: »
    300,000 gold per line. Not bad (Ps4/na). Basically 1 day play to grind the line, or grind the gold in most scenarios.

    You can't gift skill lines, or so I'm told.

    So no, you pay up or shut up. Which one of the many reasons why this system is an unethical load of bull crap. And why I went out and dropped $40 on a game without stupid microtransactions yesterday.
  • Keledus
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    This hits that grey area of is it pay to win or not.
    It kinda feels like it is imo since you're paying to advance to max skill lines which give advantages in pvp/pve/wherever you use the skill lines compared to the people that grind their asses off to max it.
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  • J2JMC
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    Aegwyn wrote: »
    This hits that grey area of is it pay to win or not.
    It kinda feels like it is imo since you're paying to advance to max skill lines which give advantages in pvp/pve/wherever you use the skill lines compared to the people that grind their asses off to max it.

    There's nothing grey area about it. ESO is the first game I have played where people actively go out of their way to pretend there is a difference between "pay-to-win" and "pay for convenience". Don't know why everyone is so happy to support anti consumer business models instead of asking for better game design. Or hell, just ask for a more consumer friendly model.
    Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD

    Battle leveling for pve content defeats the idea of progression. Remove CP

    "Apparently the players are more informed than we are"-Richard Lambert

  • Starlock
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    J2JMC wrote: »
    Aegwyn wrote: »
    This hits that grey area of is it pay to win or not.
    It kinda feels like it is imo since you're paying to advance to max skill lines which give advantages in pvp/pve/wherever you use the skill lines compared to the people that grind their asses off to max it.

    There's nothing grey area about it. ESO is the first game I have played where people actively go out of their way to pretend there is a difference between "pay-to-win" and "pay for convenience". Don't know why everyone is so happy to support anti consumer business models instead of asking for better game design. Or hell, just ask for a more consumer friendly model.

    I don’t get it either.

    Except that I do. Folks have been conditioned to accept these things and not see it for what it truly is. This will especially be the case for young people who were not gamers before predatory microtransactons (or any microtransactions for that matter) even existed. They won’t remember what it was like because it was always like this for them. So, they will accept it as normal. And even if you are not a younger gamer, the industry very deliberately manipulates people to normalize predatory microtransactions. They do things like add them after release so reviewers can’t comment on it and hook you on the game like a drug. They do things like hold events for fun only to turn around and monetize them later with purchasable event tickets. They do things like create a cool new feature such as housing and then create cash exclusive homes that literally cost more than twice the cost of the game itself. And they do things like create “limited” offerings on digital goods that have no limits to make you fear missing out and buy impulsively.

    The scummery is everywhere if we bother to look. Many, sadly, don’t bother to look.
  • Ardaghion
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    Aegwyn wrote: »
    This hits that grey area of is it pay to win or not.
    It kinda feels like it is imo since you're paying to advance to max skill lines which give advantages in pvp/pve/wherever you use the skill lines compared to the people that grind their asses off to max it.

    I agree that buying skill lines is a bit of a grey area, the Crown Store was originally for cosmetic items only but now you can buy skills that you've already acquired on another character. It would definitely be PtW if you could just buy any skills fully leveled outright from the start on any character.

    Games that are truly PtW give you a choice, grind out millions in some rare in-game currency, something specifically for the cash shop. Or buy the rare in-game currency with real money. Then go to the cash shop and buy that special BiS weapon or armor.

    ZOS will have reached that level when monster helm sets are in the Crown Store and you can choose to buy them with crowns or unobtainium grains. I'm hopeful that will never happen.
  • kromegas
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    With eso plus- not bad. To me the crowns are a bonus since I love the craft bag and DLC. Now if I had to go out and buy crowns (and I didn’t sub) then I would say way to expensive (almost $25 in crowns)
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