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Do you use Stealth Detect in PVE?
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NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVESpeaking of this. What happened to the Bosmer letter thread? It was closing in on being 80 pages the last time I saw it.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVENotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Speaking of this. What happened to the Bosmer letter thread? It was closing in on being 80 pages the last time I saw it.
The mods locked it1 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVENotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Speaking of this. What happened to the Bosmer letter thread? It was closing in on being 80 pages the last time I saw it.
The mods locked it
....This can't be portrayed through words, but it shall be known I'm doing some serious scowling right now. I imagine the reasoning was...well I'm not gonna say the words. I'm just gonna scowl.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!3 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVENotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Speaking of this. What happened to the Bosmer letter thread? It was closing in on being 80 pages the last time I saw it.
The mods locked it
....This can't be portrayed through words, but it shall be known I'm doing some serious scowling right now. I imagine the reasoning was...well I'm not gonna say the words. I'm just gonna scowl.
It got to 88 pages. The closing felt pretty unwarranted.
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ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVENotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Speaking of this. What happened to the Bosmer letter thread? It was closing in on being 80 pages the last time I saw it.
The mods locked it
....This can't be portrayed through words, but it shall be known I'm doing some serious scowling right now. I imagine the reasoning was...well I'm not gonna say the words. I'm just gonna scowl.
It got to 88 pages. The closing felt pretty unwarranted.
Moderator powers are absolute.1 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEdriosketch wrote: »There are certain enemies that can go invisible. I most often find them at anchors, and they are super annoying when you're already fighting other mobs. So if I have inner light on my bar and see it happen, I'll trigger the skill to kill the heavy attack and stun before it happens.
Now if this post is about the Bosmer passive, that's not how the poll was phrased. NPCs can go invisible, which reduces their detect radius to 0, but they don't crouch and sneak.
Just for clarity's sake.. There are 3 "types" of stealth abilities.
There is stealth, crouch stealth. Base detection is 20m/10m/5m (front/side/rear). It's detection range is modified by medium armor, sets and is detectable by increased stealth detection to a degree.
There is modified stealth (shadowy disguise) which turns detection ranges to 0/0/0 and is detectable by stealth detection (again to a degree).
Then there is invisibility effect(s). Which are still stealth by definition, but with a base detection of 20/10/5 (just like normal stealth) and an additional -30 meter invisibility effect taken off the backend of the equation (so it's actually very hard to "detect").
Magelights/Camo-evil hunter type abilities will always reveal all form of stealth within their base range (modified by stealth reductions).
Detection pots add 20 meters to your detection ranges:20+20=40/30/25.4 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEwhat about runners in VMoL last boss?
last I checked, regular stealth detection doesn't work - you need to use in game synergy at spawn points to make them visible. bosmer passive DEFINITELY doesn't work on them.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***3 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ProbablePaul wrote: »When I played, I couldn't help but to use it, considering the ability is passive. Granted, anytime an enemy in PvE stealths or vanishes, I can't see them - there's some thief mob that vanishes and rubs his daggers together, before reappearing to attack. I'm sure they could adjust that single mob, though.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
its being asked because of the bosmer passives rework that essentially made one of them useless for any kind of pve, when they replaced reduced detection radius when in stealth with increased stealth detection. this is likely hoping to make a point to ZoS that their bosmer stealth passive rework may not have been the best decision.
It's not like ZOS isn't aware that enemies don't stealth in PvE. They even explicitly said it. So I still don't see how this poll is supposed to help.
Right? Seems to just be a reminder that OP doesn't like stealth detection. I've been a bosmer since launch, and very rarely did I use the old passive outside of PvP. Overland mobs die too quickly as it is, and in group dungeons I had to spec for healing, mobility and sustain.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
its being asked because of the bosmer passives rework that essentially made one of them useless for any kind of pve, when they replaced reduced detection radius when in stealth with increased stealth detection. this is likely hoping to make a point to ZoS that their bosmer stealth passive rework may not have been the best decision.
I suppose I don't see much reason to focus on this, specifically, when several passives were altered in ways that offer little to no benefit outside of a PvP context. This game has been hampered by refusal to separate PvP and PvE since its inception, and the problem has grown worse.
It wouldn't make sense to divide the content, considering that ESO takes place during the three banners war - I'd assume you knew that considering your forum signature. I also don't understand why you would play a game that was developed to focus on pvp, only to request that PvE content be separated from, and balanced separately. At some point, people who request this have to take a step back and acknowledge that the problem with this balancing resides within themselves.
You said “when I played” does that mean you don’t play eso anymore?#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom2 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVE
I'm wholly unfamiliar with the encounter... but it's usually an invisibility effect they use for pve. Meaning that Bosmer passive does work, it's just useless to reveal. ie Forward detection 20m +3m bosmer=23m -30m (invisibility effect) =still undetectable.
If those mobs are detectable by detect pots (which would give you about 10m (13m bosmer)) it's invisibility effect. Or if they are detectable with magelight's radius effect (6m or 12m for radiant) it's also likely an invisibility effect. Of course, it's quite possible they just made it a mechanic in fight and there is no detection possibility (though mostly they have followed the abilities in game)
It's a case in point in how even in the rarest encounters that use "stealth" the form of it is such that you still can't detect anything with the Bosmer passive.
The only way the Bosmer passive would be "useful" would be for it to reveal in a radius instead of being part of the stealth formula (e.g. +3m) and function as a racial inner light that's always up.1 -
Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEI don't leave my home without it.
In fact when the potion wears off I run back inside for the rest of the cool down.
It's tough to get anything done. But better to be safe than sorry.4 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Couldn’t use stealth detect on those blood clots in the new dungeon...#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom1 -
Marcus684✭✭✭✭✭
✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEThe few enemy NPCs that do use stealth don’t use it until combat starts. They can be brought out easily by an AoE skill that also damages them, making the stealth detection part of magelight irrelevant.2 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
✭The few enemy NPCs that do use stealth don’t use it until combat starts. They can be brought out easily by an AoE skill that also damages them, making the stealth detection part of magelight irrelevant.
Hmm, strange.
When I was fighting Xivkyn Voidstalkers, it seems that they are somehow able to cloak despite standing in the middle of all my AoE DoTs... bug?
Other than damaging AoEs, I never use any form of detection in PvE... unless I accidentally hit Inner Light on mag builds
Hmm... I know of at least 1 dungeon boss who's a cloak-using nightblade (Wayrest Sewers 1), but it never occured to me to use any form of detection in that fight. Not sure it would even accomplish anything useful.0 -
RaddlemanNumber7✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEVery occasionally. Only when facing mobs that use invisibility, which seem to be very rare.PC EU0 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVESsssssh! Dont give ZOS any ideas! DLC are hard enough0 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Has there been an increase in npcs ganking players?
There’s been an increase in Zos ganking players.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEYes, i do. and it Must be working, because i haven't been stealth attacked yet!1 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get ready guys! We’ll finally be able to detect stealthed pve enemies in Skyrim!#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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CassandraGemini✭✭✭✭✭
✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEWell, I'm very late to the party here, but just to mention it: The only good thing the racial passive change gave me was three extra skill points to spend on something else. Hunter's Eye is still greyed out on my Bosmer Nightblade, and it will stay that way until ZOS comes to its senses and reverts it back to what it was. You know, when it still made sense, was useful and didn't break the lore.
But, of course, that will probably never happen, so it'll always stay untouched. Don't need it, don't want it.This poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!6 -
Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEGet ready guys! We’ll finally be able to detect stealthed pve enemies in Skyrim!
Since I will never select that garbage skill, no I won't.
Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.1 -
Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEWell I don't see such dangerous enemy to be pulled out of stealth
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I play Wood Elf, so I stuck 3 points in the Hunter's Eye passive, but I haven't noticed it doing anything very much.
I noticed it showing up a stealthing NPC in a house in Elsweyr, but that is about it.Edited by Tigerseye on January 15, 2020 3:01AM1 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEAt this point I have pretty much given up. The only reason I will ever get ESO+ before this is fixed is because I won it in a Giveaway. I've already gone 1 year without it at this point. I am willing to bet some money on the bugs I found a year ago about this change still being there today, because nobody at ZOS cares at the end of the day, despite what they claimed IRL at fan meet-ups.
Of course it needs to be said that should this (and Argonian poison&disease resistance) be fixed I would in fact resub again.Edited by Ratzkifal on January 15, 2020 3:12AMThis Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.2 -
wild_kmacdb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEI wasn't aware it was even possible to use it in PVE... which makes me question why something so extremely situational is a built in bonus Wood Elf players are stuck with, which is really more of a penalty since almost every other race has something useful in lieu of this.Edited by wild_kmacdb16_ESO on January 15, 2020 3:14AM5 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEwild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »I wasn't aware it was even possible to use it in PVE... which makes me question why something so extremely situational is a built in bonus Wood Elf players are stuck with, which is really more of a penalty since almost every other race has something useful in lieu of this.
You are correct @wild_kmacdb16_ESO it is NOT possible to use in PvE. That's the joke
Combat team said "cOuNteR pLaY" and gave one stealth race stealth and the other stealth race detection instead... even though they are both on the same team and nobody wants detection nor does it fit.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.4 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVESometimes I slot Mage Light but that is for the buffs not stealth detection.
If I do use it in PVE its usually the result of me not noticing which bar I am on an pressed it thinking it was a skill from the other bar.1