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Do you use Stealth Detect in PVE?
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Ogou✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEBobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
its being asked because of the bosmer passives rework that essentially made one of them useless for any kind of pve, when they replaced reduced detection radius when in stealth with increased stealth detection. this is likely hoping to make a point to ZoS that their bosmer stealth passive rework may not have been the best decision.
It's not like ZOS isn't aware that enemies don't stealth in PvE. They even explicitly said it. So I still don't see how this poll is supposed to help.2 -
Blinkin8r✭✭✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEI have detect pots, inner light and camo hunter slotted and active at all times in PVE. You never know when something may be lurking in the shadows of Grahtwood.II Blinkin II
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darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEI must find the rabbit and take his cereal from him. He cannot escape my wrath nor my gluttony. I must find this rabbit even if it take 5 more years of scouring Tamriel with stealth detection!!!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
its being asked because of the bosmer passives rework that essentially made one of them useless for any kind of pve, when they replaced reduced detection radius when in stealth with increased stealth detection. this is likely hoping to make a point to ZoS that their bosmer stealth passive rework may not have been the best decision.
I suppose I don't see much reason to focus on this, specifically, when several passives were altered in ways that offer little to no benefit outside of a PvP context. This game has been hampered by refusal to separate PvP and PvE since its inception, and the problem has grown worse.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEWhy would you need to?
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✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEBobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
its being asked because of the bosmer passives rework that essentially made one of them useless for any kind of pve, when they replaced reduced detection radius when in stealth with increased stealth detection. this is likely hoping to make a point to ZoS that their bosmer stealth passive rework may not have been the best decision.
I suppose I don't see much reason to focus on this, specifically, when several passives were altered in ways that offer little to no benefit outside of a PvP context. This game has been hampered by refusal to separate PvP and PvE since its inception, and the problem has grown worse.
There is “little benefit” and then there is the Bosmer stealth detect passive, which offers exactly zero in PvE and basically zero in PvP (it actually is a hindrance by the way, non-Bosmer get proximity alerts before a Bosmer will).
To name the one other highly questionable change, Altmer off-stat recovery, that has use in PvE. Mag characters will have to dodge roll, they’ll have to block, they will actually use stam frequently in PvE. It’s not the most useful obviously and it certainly doesn’t fit the lore, but it does have tangible use in both PvP and PvE. The Bosmer change is both lorebreaking, and an actual detriment in stealth gameplay.Edited by Jhalin on July 24, 2019 9:05PM8 -
Nolic1✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEYes I do but only need it in places its needed in dungeons and trials and some over land stuff but I do not use it all the time.Sherman from Sherman's Gaming
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEYes I do but only need it in places its needed in dungeons and trials and some over land stuff but I do not use it all the time.
@Nolic1
I’ll bite, where do you have a use for Stealth Detect in PvE? Aside from I believe one delve in Clockwork city, I’ve never seen a single mob use Stealth. I know for certain there are no trials where enemies will stealth, and to my knowledge there are no dungeons where enemies use stealth.1 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEWhy?Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEDragonnord wrote: »What? In PvE? The 99.999999999999999999999999% of PvE content doesn't need any stealth detection.
They are hoping we will be entertained by searching for that elusive .0000000000000000000000001%. And when we find it, there will be an achievement, a title (Master Snipe Hunter of Tamriel), and 5% off anything in the Crown store (for ESO+ members only.)2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEBobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
its being asked because of the bosmer passives rework that essentially made one of them useless for any kind of pve, when they replaced reduced detection radius when in stealth with increased stealth detection. this is likely hoping to make a point to ZoS that their bosmer stealth passive rework may not have been the best decision.
I suppose I don't see much reason to focus on this, specifically, when several passives were altered in ways that offer little to no benefit outside of a PvP context. This game has been hampered by refusal to separate PvP and PvE since its inception, and the problem has grown worse.
I mean you are not wrong. it just so happens that this poll about this particular "primarily pvp" ability. though to be honest i cannot think of any racial passives or their changes that were made quite that pvp centric. I'd love an example of something that is comparable though, in case I missed it.dirty worthless casual.
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✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEThe last thread that got locked eventually had someone trying to claim the nightblade mobs that use stealth was valid.
It's not, because it's not actually stealth they use it's an invisibility effect. While 3m of stealth detection does help in the calculation to detect invisibility as an effect it doesn't actually detect them. All that happens is your base forward detection of 20 meters + 3 meters =23 meters is just countered by the invisibility effects backend subtraction of -30 meters from detection.4 -
Nolic1✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEYes I do but only need it in places its needed in dungeons and trials and some over land stuff but I do not use it all the time.
@Nolic1
I’ll bite, where do you have a use for Stealth Detect in PvE? Aside from I believe one delve in Clockwork city, I’ve never seen a single mob use Stealth. I know for certain there are no trials where enemies will stealth, and to my knowledge there are no dungeons where enemies use stealth.
Well there are many areas of the game were stealth happens with NPC's.Sherman from Sherman's Gaming
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✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEYes I do but only need it in places its needed in dungeons and trials and some over land stuff but I do not use it all the time.
@Nolic1
I’ll bite, where do you have a use for Stealth Detect in PvE? Aside from I believe one delve in Clockwork city, I’ve never seen a single mob use Stealth. I know for certain there are no trials where enemies will stealth, and to my knowledge there are no dungeons where enemies use stealth.
Well there are many areas of the game were stealth happens with NPC's.
@Nolic1 Like?
Sure, there are some NB NPC that do go invisible for one charged up attack, but that's not happening frequently enough nor is it threatening enough to make stealth detection worth while. You even know where they are pretty much all the time because of the heavy attack indicator! You'll never make the conscious decision to slot a skill like Revealing flare just to deal with these NPCs because there is absolutely no reason to. I would call it "overkill", but seeing how slotting a skill like that often isn't even ideal, it's more like shooting yourself in the leg because it fell asleep.
Let's face it, in PvE Mage Light and Expert Hunter don't actually have active components at all.
Stealth Detection outside of PvP is useless and Bosmer should have never gotten it included in their racial passives at the cost of stealthiness!Edited by Ratzkifal on July 25, 2019 8:45AMThis Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.6 -
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✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEYes I do but only need it in places its needed in dungeons and trials and some over land stuff but I do not use it all the time.
@Nolic1
I’ll bite, where do you have a use for Stealth Detect in PvE? Aside from I believe one delve in Clockwork city, I’ve never seen a single mob use Stealth. I know for certain there are no trials where enemies will stealth, and to my knowledge there are no dungeons where enemies use stealth.
Well there are many areas of the game were stealth happens with NPC's.
No there aren’t, hence my question. I’ve yet to see any NPC in the entire game beside the ones in a single Clockwork City delve.
The Nightblade NPCs use invisibility, not stealth, and nothing even remotely like stealth comes to mind currently.
Are you perhaps confusing player stealth with stealth detection?2 -
burglar✭✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEWhen I played, I couldn't help but to use it, considering the ability is passive. Granted, anytime an enemy in PvE stealths or vanishes, I can't see them - there's some thief mob that vanishes and rubs his daggers together, before reappearing to attack. I'm sure they could adjust that single mob, though.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
its being asked because of the bosmer passives rework that essentially made one of them useless for any kind of pve, when they replaced reduced detection radius when in stealth with increased stealth detection. this is likely hoping to make a point to ZoS that their bosmer stealth passive rework may not have been the best decision.
It's not like ZOS isn't aware that enemies don't stealth in PvE. They even explicitly said it. So I still don't see how this poll is supposed to help.
Right? Seems to just be a reminder that OP doesn't like stealth detection. I've been a bosmer since launch, and very rarely did I use the old passive outside of PvP. Overland mobs die too quickly as it is, and in group dungeons I had to spec for healing, mobility and sustain.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
its being asked because of the bosmer passives rework that essentially made one of them useless for any kind of pve, when they replaced reduced detection radius when in stealth with increased stealth detection. this is likely hoping to make a point to ZoS that their bosmer stealth passive rework may not have been the best decision.
I suppose I don't see much reason to focus on this, specifically, when several passives were altered in ways that offer little to no benefit outside of a PvP context. This game has been hampered by refusal to separate PvP and PvE since its inception, and the problem has grown worse.
It wouldn't make sense to divide the content, considering that ESO takes place during the three banners war - I'd assume you knew that considering your forum signature. I also don't understand why you would play a game that was developed to focus on pvp, only to request that PvE content be separated from, and balanced separately. At some point, people who request this have to take a step back and acknowledge that the problem with this balancing resides within themselves.Edited by burglar on July 25, 2019 11:28AMBosmer Melee Magicka Nightblade0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEOnly if my bar swap lags and I accidentally hit Inner Light.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEUp till now 143 serious answers and 15 troll answers to the poll, hmm1 -
burglar✭✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEUp till now 143 serious answers and 15 troll answers to the poll, hmm
Actually, 143 answers are trolling, and 15 are serious. Why? The ability is passive, you have no choice but to use it, as it's always active. Do I use the stamina regen on bosmer as a magicka character? Yep, I have no choice but to. Does it help? Debatable on a magicka character.
It's more likely that this poll itself is for trolling.Bosmer Melee Magicka Nightblade0 -
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✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEProbablePaul wrote: »Up till now 143 serious answers and 15 troll answers to the poll, hmm
Actually, 143 answers are trolling, and 15 are serious. Why? The ability is passive, you have no choice but to use it, as it's always active. Do I use the stamina regen on bosmer as a magicka character? Yep, I have no choice but to. Does it help? Debatable on a magicka character.
It's more likely that this poll itself is for trolling.
Well, if your chosen race had a racial ability "slot" that was for detecting dwemers that are out of phase from our reality... and you realized there weren't any dwemers out of phase with our reality to detect.... you might think that racial ability was a total waste and weakened your chosen race.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVEProbablePaul wrote: »Up till now 143 serious answers and 15 troll answers to the poll, hmm
Actually, 143 answers are trolling, and 15 are serious. Why? The ability is passive, you have no choice but to use it, as it's always active. Do I use the stamina regen on bosmer as a magicka character? Yep, I have no choice but to. Does it help? Debatable on a magicka character.
It's more likely that this poll itself is for trolling.
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Are all 143 responders playing bosmers? And even if some play bosmers can you be 100% certain they actually put points into the passive?
Are they playing bosmers for the stealth detect in pve?2 -
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✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEThere are certain enemies that can go invisible. I most often find them at anchors, and they are super annoying when you're already fighting other mobs. So if I have inner light on my bar and see it happen, I'll trigger the skill to kill the heavy attack and stun before it happens.
Now if this post is about the Bosmer passive, that's not how the poll was phrased. NPCs can go invisible, which reduces their detect radius to 0, but they don't crouch and sneak.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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Nolic1✭✭✭Yes I use stealth detect in PVEYes I do but only need it in places its needed in dungeons and trials and some over land stuff but I do not use it all the time.
@Nolic1
I’ll bite, where do you have a use for Stealth Detect in PvE? Aside from I believe one delve in Clockwork city, I’ve never seen a single mob use Stealth. I know for certain there are no trials where enemies will stealth, and to my knowledge there are no dungeons where enemies use stealth.
Well there are many areas of the game were stealth happens with NPC's.
No there aren’t, hence my question. I’ve yet to see any NPC in the entire game beside the ones in a single Clockwork City delve.
The Nightblade NPCs use invisibility, not stealth, and nothing even remotely like stealth comes to mind currently.
Are you perhaps confusing player stealth with stealth detection?
Well because you do not use it does not mean they are not there but in Crypt of hearts, Wayrest sewers 1 and even in Cradle of Shadows there are stealth NPCs and even a few bosses that use it minor bosses not end ones as for over land there are alot of assassin and rogue type enemy's that use stealth and in Hal Ra there are some stealth mobs not sure on many of the other trials sense I do not do them often enough to notice. Now you might not use this skill to reveal them cause you see no use for it but if an enemy goes stealth for 2 to 4 seconds that means there not taking any damage cause they become immune to it during that time even to aoe damage dots still apply but all other damage is ignored. But I do not play like many players and chase meta builds I am a casual/roleplayer that enjoys playing the game and doing the content.Sherman from Sherman's Gaming
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes I do but only need it in places its needed in dungeons and trials and some over land stuff but I do not use it all the time.
@Nolic1
I’ll bite, where do you have a use for Stealth Detect in PvE? Aside from I believe one delve in Clockwork city, I’ve never seen a single mob use Stealth. I know for certain there are no trials where enemies will stealth, and to my knowledge there are no dungeons where enemies use stealth.
Well there are many areas of the game were stealth happens with NPC's.
No there aren’t, hence my question. I’ve yet to see any NPC in the entire game beside the ones in a single Clockwork City delve.
The Nightblade NPCs use invisibility, not stealth, and nothing even remotely like stealth comes to mind currently.
Are you perhaps confusing player stealth with stealth detection?
Well because you do not use it does not mean they are not there but in Crypt of hearts, Wayrest sewers 1 and even in Cradle of Shadows there are stealth NPCs and even a few bosses that use it minor bosses not end ones as for over land there are alot of assassin and rogue type enemy's that use stealth and in Hal Ra there are some stealth mobs not sure on many of the other trials sense I do not do them often enough to notice. Now you might not use this skill to reveal them cause you see no use for it but if an enemy goes stealth for 2 to 4 seconds that means there not taking any damage cause they become immune to it during that time even to aoe damage dots still apply but all other damage is ignored. But I do not play like many players and chase meta builds I am a casual/roleplayer that enjoys playing the game and doing the content.
It’s not about chasing meta builds. There aren’t any stealth enemies. The ones you are talking about are on proximity, they will not be revealed with inner light. They are not what stealth detect works on. It’s okay, it’s confusing. The nightblade npcs that attack, then “disappear” and have yellow lines coming from an empty space where they are — this is not affected by stealth detection. Try it on a character that doesn’t have inner light. Put down an aoe and hold block once they “disappear”. I guarantee it will be the same regardless of the class/skill/race combination.
When something is Actually revealed by stealth detect it has a white wisp of light above its head. Otherwise what you are experiencing is just like the “somersault over your head” move some npcs do, an animated mechanic.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭✭✭No I don’t use stealth detect in PVENot on purpose, anyway... I accidentally push that button all the time, but it's never intentional.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Things can stealth in PvE?
They can't. The OP is a pointlessly rhetorical question. I'm not sure why it is even being asked.
It’s possibly rhetorical but it’s not pointless.
As you can see there are some who believe that it works in pve at anchors and in dungeons/delves.
The difference between sneak state, invisible state, and an animation gimmick, is not something that everyone knows.Edited by max_only on July 25, 2019 10:32PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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