It doesn't sound like OP was actually doing PvP in the first place. Maybe if he actually made an effort to do so he would understand why PvP is fun instead of complaining about when PvP finds him while he is trying to PvE in a PvP threatened area.

IC questing was a lot more fun with IC was a PITA to get to.

I pretty much wouldn't go back in there for any reason other than to PVP anymore. Putting PVE in a PVP was always a dubious idea at best, but building an entire zone around the idea of PVE progress that can be stripped from you by another player is just pandering to people who take joy in creating misery.

There's fun to be had there, but I can't imagine finding it in questing anymore.

PvP is one of those things where you have to take your licks, and keep at it. No mode in PvE can prepare you for an enemy player. No gear set will carry you. You have to be persistent. You'll get caught off-guard, and you'll die. It is what it is.

Now whether that's fun is subjective. If you're not looking get zerged/stomped out (which happens to the best of us), you might as well do BGs to get your Assault/Support skill lines up and wash your hands of it.

Part of the learning process is getting smacked up 🙂

Easier to explain why a colonoscopy prep is fun.

JumpmanLane wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

On behalf of Reds i apologize, any decent player should know the etiquette concerning PvErs. Ignore and remain at a distance. Do not attack unless attacked upon. Those players were just tryhards thirsty for easy targets.

My only advice is to try and do your IC questing in the night hours. An empty city is a safe one. Just in case though you should invest in some invisibility potions.

I call BS. Kill everyone of a different faction. If they were with a bunch of their lil buddies they’d HAPPILY Zerg you down, in their lil PvE gear too.

I say tbag them as well; but, that’s more a personal choice.

Exactly. Once I was chased by around 8 of such PvErs in Cyrodiil, they died twice like all of them. I think it was their first time ever to see how negate works PvP is funny

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I haven't touched MMO PvP since discovering MOBAs. I stick to MOBAs and shooters for my PvP fix because they're actually balanced. You can't have a gear or level advantage in a MOBA or shooter. All you can have is a skill advantage. There is no PvE either to split the dev team's attention and muck up balance.

MOBA’s aren’t as balanced as you think. If they were balanced, they wouldn’t need re-balancing all the time. Any MOBA, people are complaining about one champion or another. Just look at top Picks/Bans.

If anything, ESO offers more than MOBA’s in my opinion, as your items and levels do not reset every match, and your skill rotation has more flexibility/utility in ESO.

Cously wrote: »

The galaxy is a dangerous place. Sadly if you want to complete everything in the game you MUST compromise between PVE and PVP.

Yet again, I disagree. I switch a few pieces of Armor, a few skills around, BAM, I go from PvE to PvP.

I fail to see your so-called “compromise”.

I think people are leaving the game because of its community. Just a hunch.

Simple its more challenging to fight a person than a scripted opponent in most cases, regardless of whether it's PVE or PVP you will always encounter a player that has no clue what they are doing, sooner or later.

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Jeremy wrote: »

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Jeremy wrote: »

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starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Don't worry, you can buy the PvP skill line now. So you never have to go to Cryodiil again.

You act like I have any toon with PvP skill lines above 6.

So what you're saying is you've put very little time or effort into learning how to effectively play in a PvP environment and now you're surprised you don't know how to fight back when attacked? Maybe if you had actually put in the effort to learn how to PvP rather than having spent five years fighting NPC's with scripted actions it would be fun for you.
I was actually like you a long time ago. I didn't enter PvP for the first six months I played but I finally gave in, went into IC and after getting ganked a couple of times (losing 80% of my TV each time) I decided to learn how to fight back. It wasn't an easy or quick process, to be good at PvP you have to not only know your character you have to know the in's and out's of all the other classes to know when to attack or defend. Blocking at the right time, using LOS and movement in general, resource management, burst timing, correct CP allocation are all important.
If you haven't made any effort to develop the skills/knowledge that will let you actually compete of course it's not going to be that fun for you.

None of those things you mentioned are going to help him survive against a zerg rolling over him while he's trying to do a daily in Imperial City.

This idea that PvP is all about skill and requires so much more knowledge and awareness than PvE is like a joke that is circulated around on these forums for whatever reasons. Most of the time it's just a numbers game, pure and simple - especially in a place like Imperial City. Individual skill is rarely ever a factor there. It's usually just someone ganking you at an inopportune time or a zerg rolling you over.

So I wish posters would stop giving the OP this false impression that all he has to do is better his PvP skills and things in Imperial city will get better. Because they won't.

It most certainly can get better. IC is not a novice-friendly zone, and it gets better the more experienced you are, though that's a steep learning curve.

Specifically, experienced PVPers can survive ganks and turn the tables on their attackers. Experienced 1vXers can fight "zergs" of players, provided they know the territory and can string out their grouped opponents. IC is easier for players who are experienced with playing and PVPing there, regardless of class or group size, because familiarity with escape and ambush points is really important in a close quarters, urban environment. None of that will keep you alive 100% of the time, but it makes it better. (Not dying in any situation is a PVE thing. In PVP, you will die, and its best to accept that before you queue up. It relieves a lot of frustration if you accept that.)

But the real question here is whether or not its really worth gaining that experience for the OP. Because reliably surviving ganks and killing gankers, and especially 1vXing, takes time and a LOT of practice. If the OP doesnt enjoy IC, it's doubtful they'd want to spend the time to really learn the ins and outs of playing there.

If the OP doesn't enjoy PVP, there's probably not much point in trying to get good to the point where it becomes better. That's not unreasonable! There's no point in dedicating tons of practice time to something they don't enjoy.

So its certainly advice that works. For some players. It just may not be practical for the OP, given that they don't like PVP.

I agree with your sentiment that expecting to die in PvP and not taking it too seriously helps to alleviate frustration. But I disagree with you strongly that solo players can overcome being rolled by a zerg by improving his or her skills. That's a fantasy. Any zerg of half-decent players are going to obliterate someone who is soloing in Imperial City. There is no escape (especially in Imperial City) and you are going to die. Your only hope is to go invisible and hope they don't find you - and unless your're a Nightlbade that option is limited to put it mildly.

So all this talk about how becoming more experienced in PvP is going to make it more fun to solo in Imperial City is misleading as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't. The place sucks to be alone in - especially when zergs are out patrolling. And no amount of skill or experience is going to change that. Because it's the general design of the zone itself that makes it such a hell hole. It's not a lack of skill or experience on the individual's part.

Well, honestly, nothing is going to make something "fun" if the OP doesnt enjoy it.

Getting more experience most certainly can help. It has helped many other players, provided you are realistic about the fact that you can't survive anything and everything in a PVP zone. The more experience you get, the better you become at playing in IC, and the less it seems like a "hell hole." It doesnt mean you'll always win or you'll always get to complete your daily first try...that's a foolish standard that's not even applicable in Cyrodiil.

But frankly, effectively running solo in an AvAvA zone designed for everything from solo to groups of 24 takes a level of skill, experience, and practice that I doubt the OP has any intention of obtaining. So it's not very practical advice.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point then. Because in my experience, Imperial City remains a hell hole - especially to solo in - regardless of how much experience one has. Because it's not a lack of player skill or experience that makes the place suck. It's all the narrow corridors on top of the fact monsters will chase you down like blood hounds if you try to escape. This makes you extremely vulnerable to patrolling zergs and gankers because they will have no problems finding you. Add to this the fact you lose much of your hard-earned stones when you die and the place quickly turns into a sort of sadistic nightmare built for the enjoyment of gankers and zergs to prey on and profit from picking on vulnerable targets who have no chance to defend themselves.

I'll also invite any PvPer on this thread to a 1v1 bout so they can show me this superior skill and experience they keep referring to that supposedly makes Imperial City easier . Because frankly I think it's a myth. But as I said, if anyone wants to prove me wrong and demonstrate this superior skill and experience in PvP that let's them turn away or survive zergs or gankers while soloing in Imperial City I welcome the chance for them to show me their amazing prowess. Because I'm pretty confident they just got lucky or something and soloed there when the place was empty and therefore unaware of just how miserable it can be. Otherwise they would not be saying the kinds of things they are. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong. As I say - people are welcome to demonstrate this in a duel if they like. Because if they can handle zergs and gankers on top of the mobs while fighting in Imperial City they should have no problems dispatching me in a fight. They are so skilled and awesome I should be like a insignificant gnat for them to swat away.

Now as far as Cyrodil, that's an entirely different animal and not applicable here as a comparison. Their designs could not be more opposite and it's easy by comparison to do daily quests or solo there when compared to Imperial City: assuming it's not empty that is - as I suspect it usually is when a lot of the people in this thread solo in there. Otherwise they would be having similar experiences the OP had.

Jeremy wrote: »

holley331 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

OK, trying to unlock IC dailies on a new toon. Sadly, these quests are not solo-able for me, so I brought a friend.

1. We're in the Arena quest, almost done - one EP guy bombs us both and we have to re-do the last fights.
2. We move on to Nobles, working on defending the building... two EP keep attacking an running away until we're down to 5% on the last boss, then gank us and take the chest.
3. We return to Nobles to finish the quest... 12 "man" EP zerg comes through and runs us over. Complete with tea bagging 2 people who didn't even fight back.

Please explain how this is "fun" and how "being good" would have helped.

Imperial City is a lot of things, but fun isn't one of them.

I recommend avoiding that place unless you want to be some troll's entertainment for the evening. That or level a Nightblade. Otherwise you're just a sitting duck in there for what ever ganker or zerg comes along.

IC is the most fun I have because of the risk reward with telvar

Do you play as a Nightblade?

I play a lot of classes in IC.

I bet when you're solo you go in there as a Nightlbade then. Otherwise it's anything but fun.

Your opinion is not a fact. I love Imperial City and have only gone there on a Sorc

If getting rolled by zergs or ganked while fighting and losing your stones is your definition of fun then by all means, go enjoy yourself. But it's anything but fun to me and many others. And that is a fact.

You get an agree because it’s really not fun.

I remember having, less than 100 stones during the imperial city event. How is it fun to me and others of low skill actually proud of something, then facerolling gankers steal half?

I wouldn’t be surprised when new players try it, leave and never come back cause honestly? Mixing PvP and PvE is a terrible idea.

Jeremy wrote: »

Vicarra wrote: »

I've always hated IC, and only go there under duress from guildies who want a decent sized group to take there. Gankers claim they like to PvP, but that's not what they do. They wait until you're half-health from killing a boss, then snipe you from stealth. No risk to them, but all the reward. It's simply too imbalanced in favour of the gankblade snipe spamming noobs who fancy themselves to be epic PvPers.

I also agree the place favors Nightblades in a huge way.

You keep saying nightblades, but both mag and stamsorcs are more than able to escape zergs with streak. I have seen magsorcs in Imperial Physique (please remove this carry piece of *** *** armor from the game, thanks) streak across entire districts in one go. Mobility is king.

The one and only problem imperial city has is Tel vars. People go in ic to farm them, not to play pvp or pve. Gaining tel vars and protecting their gain will push them to use the cheesiest method possible. Which is only natural.
Maybe if ic was at the same instance with Cyrodiil and it could impact in some way the campaign and tel vars were made somehow a secondary feature of ic, instead of the primary incentive to visit the place, then maybe people would start visiting it again to play some pvp and do some quests.
It's really a pity watching it go dead.

Impen, damage mitigation sets and heals is how u survive IC ganks and bombs

just gonna paste the same thing i said in the 'why is pve fun' thread (with some changes):

i will say that compared to pvp, eso's pve has far more structure and "goals"

eso's pvp (in cyrodiil and IC)reminds me quite a lot of free roam pvp in GTAV, which is just an exercise in griefing eachother until one or all involved parties get bored/ragequit. it promotes a lot of toxicity and disgusting behaviour in players because the goal is pretty much only to get more kills on the other guy than he gets on you so you can rub his nose in it, or kill the other guy in a way that frustrates him the most to prove a petty point etc since the open-ended nature of free-roam means there really isn't any purpose to fighting eachother than for it's own sake.

eso isn't quite on the same level as GTAV in that regard, and GTAV is in a much worse state in terms of balance compared to eso, but the gameplay loop of deathmatching eachother in a sandbox, very often using unbalanced/broken mechanics to their fullest potential with no end goal in sight is there.


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