give limited craftbag to everyone, say 20 of each item and remain unlimited for eso+. it's time.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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I agree, but it should be at least a stack of each item.

Probably 2 or 3 stacks, actually.

...I sub, by the way, before you say anything, you horrible little trollsies and I wouldn't stop if they did this.

I want my statuettes, for a start, my Crowns, my extra bank and furnishing space (which is still not enough, in many cases, by the way) and I, generally, also need to be able to retain more than a couple of stacks, of each mat, at a time.

If they added more interesting cosmetic things, that were gainable if you subbed, I'm sure most other people would continue to sub, too.

People in my guilds have also said it's perfectly possible to live without the craft bag, if you have lots of mules.

So, I guess that says that the poorest, or most tightfisted, or most bitterly determined enough, amongst us, aren't sufficiently swayed by the bag, anyway.

At the moment, it's a nightmare - I have paid through the nose into this game, one way and another and all the "exclusivity" of that crafting bag has given me is reducing the furnishing mats available for me to buy and upping their price (due to artificially limiting their availablity).

Then, on top of that, I have to feel guilty, as people tell me they are upset that they can't afford ESO+ and/or DLCs, as the price is simply too high compared to their countries' minimum wage and cost of living.

The whole thing is a nightmare, all around, and would be eased a lot if a basic craft bag was given to everyone, as it (or the equivalent) is in most games.

Especially if ESO+ and the DLCs were also priced more locally, as well, for those who want them.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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VaranisArano wrote: »

Not gonna happen. Crafting Bag and the associated inventory issues that happen without it is one of the main reasons people subscribe.

Why on earth would ZOS shoot themselves in the profits by devaluing the current Crafting Bag?

Because people (not always poor people) might take one look at the fact that you have to sub just to get a craft bag (unlimited, or not), rightfully conclude that it's an overpriced game, compared with most others of a similar genre, and go and play one of them instead?

Tigerseye · August 2019

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Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

So the results are unanimous. 38% of respondents voted yes. and the rest voted ytes and yes and yes.

there we have it.

Also it wouldnt effect people subbing. If you want unlimited mats in the craft bag you would still sub for eso +. But as an added bonus, let eso + subs get to put their crafting maps in there as well. with some stacking limits of course.

You know what they could do, as well?

Double our (regular) bag space.

If that didn't keep people subbed, I don't know what would.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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Skwor wrote: »

No, pay for it like everyone else grifter.

In WoW, they price things locally, so that is a somewhat reasonable thing to say there.

In ESO, they don't.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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Hamish999 wrote: »

No, if you want the craft bag (and all the other benefits that come with ESO+) pay for it like everyone else.
You do realise that ESO+ pays for the games upkeep right?

What it actually does, with its borderline pay-to-win model, is send most sensible people scurrying for the exit...

...and yes, I classify myself as not sensible, here.

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think I'm a bit of an idiot for playing this game.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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Nestor wrote: »

You can get the Craft Bag for the low low low price of a monthly sub. Less than the price of a lunch.

And, you get back the cost of the sub in crowns, so the sub is really free if you think about it.

Only if you were going to buy (and can afford to buy) that many Crowns, anyway.

It works OK for us, but we are not the world.

In some parts of the world, where wages are about 1/10th of the amount and things cost about 1/10th of the price of things in the West, it is simply not possible, or viable, to pour that kind of money into a game.

Blizzard realise this and price things locally, apparently.

ZoS, for whatever reason, do not.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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...and all it ends up doing is making ZoS poorer.

As people from those parts of the world end up spending nothing (and/or leaving).

Rather than, at least, paying something into the game, even if it's not as much, if pricing was more local.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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thatlaurachick wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.

I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anyway

F a l s e E q u i v a l e n c y

Actually, no, it's a perfect equivalency. The Crafting Bag isn't a necessity of life, it's a nice to have. Anyone saying the craft bag is "necessary" probably doesn't rememver that the game launched without one. That's right, everyone who played at launch had 6 alts JUST FOR STORAGE. Bag and bank space were more limited too. So yes, you can play this game just fine, and have all the crafrting mats, if you're willing to alt a billion times to pull mats from mules.

The crafting bag was the original OP reward for continuing to support the game after it went free to play. Guess what? You want the reward, pay for it like the rest of us. You can't get everything for free just by showing up an complaining.

Or the game can go back to being subscription only and I'm sure we'd all get craft bag "free."

Yeah, I played at launch.

There were hardly any mats at all back then (many of the original ones are now obsolete - I still have a few).

So, it's pointless to refer back to that, as if it even vaguely reflects the current situation, where there are 100s of different types of mats to find room for.

It was simply not the same, back then.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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thatlaurachick wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.

I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anyway

F a l s e E q u i v a l e n c y

Actually, no, it's a perfect equivalency. The Crafting Bag isn't a necessity of life, it's a nice to have. Anyone saying the craft bag is "necessary" probably doesn't rememver that the game launched without one. That's right, everyone who played at launch had 6 alts JUST FOR STORAGE. Bag and bank space were more limited too. So yes, you can play this game just fine, and have all the crafrting mats, if you're willing to alt a billion times to pull mats from mules.

The crafting bag was the original OP reward for continuing to support the game after it went free to play. Guess what? You want the reward, pay for it like the rest of us. You can't get everything for free just by showing up an complaining.

Or the game can go back to being subscription only and I'm sure we'd all get craft bag "free."

I do remember pre-crafting bag. I stopped playing apart from playing through new narrative content because inventory management was horrible. Using alts for storage was a horrible experience and a joyless time sink.

Thus your reason for subscribing. No matter what you think about the game, the devs have to pay rent. Making you smile does not pay rent, medical bills, groceries, etc. The pittance they charge for DLC doesn't either. So be an adult and pay for a game you obviosuly like, or stop whining.

How do other MMOs manage, then?

The ones that still seem to more than get by without starving their players of space, quite so much and while still offering their players localised prices?

How do they "pay the rent"?

Stop apologising for this BS.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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YaYaPineapple wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

you lose nothing. and as i have already stated and shown in this thread, i am an eso plus subscriber, a point you keep ignoring.

AS a subscriber i lose nothing by having people get a small craft bag for free.

Since you say it doesn't affect you at all, why don't you let non-subscribers worry about their own problems (or lack thereof). Stay in your lane.

You can't "stay in your lane", because unhappy people talk in guild chat and/or directly to you and sometimes, end up begging you for help, if they think (wrongly, in my case) you're "rich".

You then have to explain, over and over, that everything costs far more in your country, meaning you are not rich to be able to afford this.

So, you end up paying for the crafting bag (and God knows what else...) and also having to sympathise with people who can't even collect a few mats, or afford a DLC.

Not to mention, as I say, we housing people are being starved of housing mats, as so few people can gather and store them, to then sell.

All in all, it's ruining my experience, too.

idk · August 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

idk wrote: »

ZOS's accountants arent stupid

They aren't half as bright as they think they are...

When you are talking about a non-personalised service, like this, some money is always better than no money.

Blizzard know this.

ZoS, apparently, do not.

That's pretty stupid.

@Tigerseye I have looked through my post in this entire thread and I cannot find any place where I made this the comment you have quoted me as saying.

I am asking you to please provide the full quote from this thread where I am saying what you quoted me as saying above. Otherwise this goes beyond putting words in someone's mouth to a whole new level of creating completely fake quotes.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and allowing you time show me those words, otherwise it is just plain repulsive and casts much doubt into what you claim to be quotes.

Tigerseye · August 2019

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^ Amended.

idk · August 2019

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

1. the assertion that the proposed craft bag of 20 items each for non eso + subscribers somehow devalues the eso + subscribers is false, misleading and based on conjecture.

You comment here is what is pure conjecture and goes against logic.

I supported my assertion with the argument that follows that you saw fit not to quote.

You merely spun an opinion you claim supports you claim supports this false assertion you have made but that is all you provided. The comment I quoted remained in context and my pointing out how false it is remains very accurate.

Beyond that it is irrelevant. Zos made a business decision that the crafting bag will remain locked behind ESO+ and it is clearly a solid business choice. Threads like these merely drive home the point to Zos that they made the right choice.

uh... NO.

I realize the facts are inconvenient.

Tigerseye · August 2019

YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!

JusticeForJilarga wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

No, if you want the craft bag (and all the other benefits that come with ESO+) pay for it like everyone else.
You do realise that ESO+ pays for the games upkeep right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

14:40

"Socially accepted way of behaving in your game should be paying. You want to tell people for instance when a clan member of theirs spends real live money - you want the whole clan to know. Because that becomes the socially acceptable way of behaving.
Absolutely do not want to tell them that majority of people in your game never spend money. That is Poison. Never tell them that."

Sorry but claiming that ESO+ is up-keeping the game is BS. Very tiny portion of player base even goes to forums. And those who use ESP+ shout the loudest.

This one thinks that the video and the point you are trying to make is irrelevant.

...and most other human beings probably think that people who talk like Khajiits all the time are a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but who's counting?

It's not "irrelevant", by the way; it's bang on the money.

Mainly because it's from a presentation which taught these psychopathic techniques to the industry.

idk · August 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

^ Go and look for whoever else said it, then.

I probably deleted the wrong name, or something.

I would say sorry, but your histrionics are, as usual, ridiculous.

@Tigerseye

You fabricate a quote, which is lying and you suggest I am dramatic? LMAO.

Your credibility is called into question since you have not been caught fabricating quotes and could care less. Histrionics. lol

Tigerseye · August 2019

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idk wrote: »

@Tigerseye

You fabricate a quote, which is lying and you suggest I am dramatic? LMAO.

Your credibility is called into question since you have not been caught fabricating quotes and could care less. Histrionics. lol

Don't (continue to) be ridiculous.

I've amended it.

Accidentally deleting the wrong name is not "fabricating". ><

If anyone should be loling, it's me.

idk · August 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

idk wrote: »

@Tigerseye

You fabricate a quote, which is lying and you suggest I am dramatic? LMAO.

Your credibility is called into question since you have not been caught fabricating quotes and could care less. Histrionics. lol

Don't (continue to) be ridiculous.

I've amended it.

Accidentally deleting the wrong name is not "fabricating". ><

If anyone should be loling, it's me.

Thx for editing it.

You did not have to be so dramatic and flippant with calling me ridiculous because of your error. Especially when I provided you the opportunity to make things right from the start.

SteveCampsOut · August 2019

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Oh FFS people! It's already been established on Page One of this thread that the craft bag is already FREE FOR EVERYONE DURING FREE ESO+ WEEKS! Nobody has quit the game over it, looks sideeyed at thatlaurachick, died over it or renounced their Freeto's for a month! Just sign up for the next free ESO+ week. Load up your UNLIMITED STORAGE Craft bag during that period and continue about your business! You're all lunatics!

Tigerseye · August 2019

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You chose to word your posts in that way.

You chose to call into question my "credibility" and accuse me of "fabricating", "lying", being "repulsive" and "creating completely fake quotes".

You, therefore, chose to make yourself sound hysterical, unreasonable and unhinged.

You, technically, chose to liable me, basically.

Even though you also implied you knew it was, almost certainly, an innocent mistake.

So, why use words like that unless/until you knew it wasn't?

If you don't want to be accused of something, don't make yourself sound it, is the general rule of thumb.

Start off gently and reserve the endless, diva-like, accusations for things that have actually happened.

idk · August 2019

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Oh FFS people! It's already been established on Page One of this thread that the craft bag is already FREE FOR EVERYONE DURING FREE ESO+ WEEKS! Nobody has quit the game over it, looks sideeyed at thatlaurachick, died over it or renounced their Freeto's for a month! Just sign up for the next free ESO+ week. Load up your UNLIMITED STORAGE Craft bag during that period and continue about your business! You're all lunatics!

Correct. Players should not get upset about others wanting to be able to buy this. In the same token those that want it are really wasting their breath arguing with anyone about it because those people are not the ones you have to convince.

The people you need to convince are Zos' business people. A solid business case needs to be made, not an emotional one or haphazard one, but a worth marketing approach. If someone comes up with a worthy case I am confident Zos will head it. Until then we will keep getting threads like this.

D0PAMINE · August 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

You chose to word your posts in that way.

You chose to call into question my "credibility" and accuse me of "fabricating", "lying", being "repulsive" and "creating completely fake quotes".

You, therefore, chose to make yourself sound hysterical, unreasonable and unhinged.

You, technically, chose to liable me, basically.

Even though you also implied you knew it was, almost certainly, an innocent mistake.

So, why use words like that unless/until you knew it wasn't?

If you don't want to be accused of something, don't make yourself sound it, is the general rule of thumb.

Start off gently and reserve the endless, diva-like, accusations for things that have actually happened.

lol. Puff puff pass

Billdor · August 2019

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

no

Hazurko_RaShan · August 2019

YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

1. the assertion that the proposed craft bag of 20 items each for non eso + subscribers somehow devalues the eso + subscribers is false, misleading and based on conjecture.

You comment here is what is pure conjecture and goes against logic.

I supported my assertion with the argument that follows that you saw fit not to quote.

You merely spun an opinion you claim supports you claim supports this false assertion you have made but that is all you provided. The comment I quoted remained in context and my pointing out how false it is remains very accurate.

Beyond that it is irrelevant. Zos made a business decision that the crafting bag will remain locked behind ESO+ and it is clearly a solid business choice. Threads like these merely drive home the point to Zos that they made the right choice.

uh... NO.

I realize the facts are inconvenient.

of course you do.. as evidence by your lack of using any

idk · August 2019

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

1. the assertion that the proposed craft bag of 20 items each for non eso + subscribers somehow devalues the eso + subscribers is false, misleading and based on conjecture.

You comment here is what is pure conjecture and goes against logic.

I supported my assertion with the argument that follows that you saw fit not to quote.

You merely spun an opinion you claim supports you claim supports this false assertion you have made but that is all you provided. The comment I quoted remained in context and my pointing out how false it is remains very accurate.

Beyond that it is irrelevant. Zos made a business decision that the crafting bag will remain locked behind ESO+ and it is clearly a solid business choice. Threads like these merely drive home the point to Zos that they made the right choice.

uh... NO.

I realize the facts are inconvenient.

of course you do.. as evidence by your lack of using any

After I pointed out you fabricated the basis of your assertion everyone who disagreed with you was misleading. Good one.

Hazurko_RaShan · August 2019

YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

1. the assertion that the proposed craft bag of 20 items each for non eso + subscribers somehow devalues the eso + subscribers is false, misleading and based on conjecture.

You comment here is what is pure conjecture and goes against logic.

I supported my assertion with the argument that follows that you saw fit not to quote.

You merely spun an opinion you claim supports you claim supports this false assertion you have made but that is all you provided. The comment I quoted remained in context and my pointing out how false it is remains very accurate.

Beyond that it is irrelevant. Zos made a business decision that the crafting bag will remain locked behind ESO+ and it is clearly a solid business choice. Threads like these merely drive home the point to Zos that they made the right choice.

uh... NO.

I realize the facts are inconvenient.

of course you do.. as evidence by your lack of using any

After I pointed out you fabricated the basis of your assertion everyone who disagreed with you was misleading. Good one.

No fabricants here. You must be imagining things

D0PAMINE · August 2019

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

1. the assertion that the proposed craft bag of 20 items each for non eso + subscribers somehow devalues the eso + subscribers is false, misleading and based on conjecture.

You comment here is what is pure conjecture and goes against logic.

I supported my assertion with the argument that follows that you saw fit not to quote.

You merely spun an opinion you claim supports you claim supports this false assertion you have made but that is all you provided. The comment I quoted remained in context and my pointing out how false it is remains very accurate.

Beyond that it is irrelevant. Zos made a business decision that the crafting bag will remain locked behind ESO+ and it is clearly a solid business choice. Threads like these merely drive home the point to Zos that they made the right choice.

uh... NO.

I realize the facts are inconvenient.

of course you do.. as evidence by your lack of using any

After I pointed out you fabricated the basis of your assertion everyone who disagreed with you was misleading. Good one.

Let it go man, not worth the effort. You have a good track record with your posts. You're straight forward and helpful.

MajBludd · August 2019

Stop being a hoarder. You have 15 character slots. Make a mule to store things, use storage chests, etc.
I sub, and before we had the craft bag we managed, so can you.

JusticeForJilarga · August 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

JusticeForJilarga wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

No, if you want the craft bag (and all the other benefits that come with ESO+) pay for it like everyone else.
You do realise that ESO+ pays for the games upkeep right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

14:40

"Socially accepted way of behaving in your game should be paying. You want to tell people for instance when a clan member of theirs spends real live money - you want the whole clan to know. Because that becomes the socially acceptable way of behaving.
Absolutely do not want to tell them that majority of people in your game never spend money. That is Poison. Never tell them that."

Sorry but claiming that ESO+ is up-keeping the game is BS. Very tiny portion of player base even goes to forums. And those who use ESP+ shout the loudest.

This one thinks that the video and the point you are trying to make is irrelevant.

...and most other human beings probably think that people who talk like Khajiits all the time are a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but who's counting?

It's not "irrelevant", by the way; it's bang on the money.

Mainly because it's from a presentation which taught these psychopathic techniques to the industry.

It is Irrelevant walker. The person used it to say it was the "socially acceptable" way to play the game. This one knows that's not true. This one and everyone else is simply saying if one wants access to the Craft bag then you must purchase the subscription. You don't have to buy the subscription walker, it's completely optional.

JusticeForJilarga · August 2019

MajBludd wrote: »

Stop being a hoarder. You have 15 character slots. Make a mule to store things, use storage chests, etc.
I sub, and before we had the craft bag we managed, so can you.

This one thinks people can learn alot from them.

apri · August 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Server load issues won't be helped by increasing storage limits. Some players just need to adopt a different approach to hoarding complete sets that will never be used, or massive multiple stacks of mats, etc.

If it's a server issue, it would be a necessity for ZOS to help players stop hoarding. A good solution would be vendors where we could rebuy once grinded sets again. It could be an unlock system like it's used in other games. Once a set item is found in the game, it unlocks at a vendor and can be re-obtained anytime for whatever currency of choice. It could go as far as each obtained trait gets its own unlock tho that's not necessarily needed thanks to transmute stations.

If a system like this would be in place, there would be no reason for hoarding. Players could safely dismantle sets they do not need regardless of future balance shifts - thus less stress on the servers. Win-win for ZOS and us players.