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give limited craftbag to everyone, say 20 of each item and remain unlimited for eso+. it's time.
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Jack-0✭✭✭✭✭Seriously, no. I would love a Ferrari but I can’t afford it. Maybe they should just give me an entry level model for free?4 -
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✭I want them to give us the option to buy additional bank storage with crowns. 100 Crowns per slot with no limits. Been asking for this for years.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!3 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.
I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anywayEdited by Katahdin on August 20, 2019 5:03PMBeta tester November 20132 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YES!The craft bag is one of the biggest reasons people sub.
It's almost as if they made the game inconvenient to play then sell you convenience for a premium."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YES!Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.
I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anyway
F a l s e E q u i v a l e n c y
"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.
I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anyway
F a l s e E q u i v a l e n c y
Point still standsBeta tester November 20132 -
CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.
I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anyway
F a l s e E q u i v a l e n c y
Actually, no, it's a perfect equivalency. The Crafting Bag isn't a necessity of life, it's a nice to have. Anyone saying the craft bag is "necessary" probably doesn't rememver that the game launched without one. That's right, everyone who played at launch had 6 alts JUST FOR STORAGE. Bag and bank space were more limited too. So yes, you can play this game just fine, and have all the crafrting mats, if you're willing to alt a billion times to pull mats from mules.
The crafting bag was the original OP reward for continuing to support the game after it went free to play. Guess what? You want the reward, pay for it like the rest of us. You can't get everything for free just by showing up an complaining.
Or the game can go back to being subscription only and I'm sure we'd all get craft bag "free."Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on August 20, 2019 5:12PM6 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭thatlaurachick wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.
I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anyway
F a l s e E q u i v a l e n c y
Actually, no, it's a perfect equivalency. The Crafting Bag isn't a necessity of life, it's a nice to have. Anyone saying the craft bag is "necessary" probably doesn't rememver that the game launched without one. That's right, everyone who played at launch had 6 alts JUST FOR STORAGE. Bag and bank space were more limited too. So yes, you can play this game just fine, and have all the crafrting mats, if you're willing to alt a billion times to pull mats from mules.
The crafting bag was the original OP reward for continuing to support the game after it went free to play. Guess what? You want the reward, pay for it like the rest of us. You can't get everything for free just by showing up an complaining.
Or the game can go back to being subscription only and I'm sure we'd all get craft bag "free."
I do remember pre-crafting bag. I stopped playing apart from playing through new narrative content because inventory management was horrible. Using alts for storage was a horrible experience and a joyless time sink.0 -
CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »thatlaurachick wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.
I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anyway
F a l s e E q u i v a l e n c y
Actually, no, it's a perfect equivalency. The Crafting Bag isn't a necessity of life, it's a nice to have. Anyone saying the craft bag is "necessary" probably doesn't rememver that the game launched without one. That's right, everyone who played at launch had 6 alts JUST FOR STORAGE. Bag and bank space were more limited too. So yes, you can play this game just fine, and have all the crafrting mats, if you're willing to alt a billion times to pull mats from mules.
The crafting bag was the original OP reward for continuing to support the game after it went free to play. Guess what? You want the reward, pay for it like the rest of us. You can't get everything for free just by showing up an complaining.
Or the game can go back to being subscription only and I'm sure we'd all get craft bag "free."
I do remember pre-crafting bag. I stopped playing apart from playing through new narrative content because inventory management was horrible. Using alts for storage was a horrible experience and a joyless time sink.
Thus your reason for subscribing. No matter what you think about the game, the devs have to pay rent. Making you smile does not pay rent, medical bills, groceries, etc. The pittance they charge for DLC doesn't either. So be an adult and pay for a game you obviosuly like, or stop whining.Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on August 20, 2019 5:18PM6 -
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✭✭✭Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Where's "No"?
Also, 20 of each item? 20 is nothing. Most of the junk that clutters up the craft bag very quickly goes into the dozens-to-hundreds. Only stuff I have less than 20 of is rare stuff, like Nirncruxes or Roe, or JC platings.
Depends on what is meant by "20 items". Is that 20 item stacks, each stacking actually allowing millions of that same item? That's how the crafting bag works currently; or did the OP mean actually only 20 items?
20 items of each type mat
This would be completely, totally useless. Simply going from one quest to another and picking up any mats along the way will fill your faux craftbag.1 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Where's "No"?
Also, 20 of each item? 20 is nothing. Most of the junk that clutters up the craft bag very quickly goes into the dozens-to-hundreds. Only stuff I have less than 20 of is rare stuff, like Nirncruxes or Roe, or JC platings.
Depends on what is meant by "20 items". Is that 20 item stacks, each stacking actually allowing millions of that same item? That's how the crafting bag works currently; or did the OP mean actually only 20 items?
20 items of each type mat
This would be completely, totally useless. Simply going from one quest to another and picking up any mats along the way will fill your faux craftbag.
It would not be useless. It is not true that going from one quest to another would fill the bag.
Which mats do you think reach 20 that fast? If you don't pick up nodes, nothing will hit 20 except leather if you kill a lot of animal. But even if you loot nodes, you will only be getting substantial numbers of the 4 gear mats at your level and at your crafting level, which would be between 4-8 different kinds of mats. Even if you loot every container, it will take time to hit 20.1 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭thatlaurachick wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »thatlaurachick wrote: »ParaNostram wrote: »Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »And as an eso subscriber i think it's only fair to those who cant afford it. You dont know someone elses circumstances to say they can or should subscribe to plus.
I can't afford a lamborgini, but I think it's only fair that I get to drive one anyway
F a l s e E q u i v a l e n c y
Actually, no, it's a perfect equivalency. The Crafting Bag isn't a necessity of life, it's a nice to have. Anyone saying the craft bag is "necessary" probably doesn't rememver that the game launched without one. That's right, everyone who played at launch had 6 alts JUST FOR STORAGE. Bag and bank space were more limited too. So yes, you can play this game just fine, and have all the crafrting mats, if you're willing to alt a billion times to pull mats from mules.
The crafting bag was the original OP reward for continuing to support the game after it went free to play. Guess what? You want the reward, pay for it like the rest of us. You can't get everything for free just by showing up an complaining.
Or the game can go back to being subscription only and I'm sure we'd all get craft bag "free."
I do remember pre-crafting bag. I stopped playing apart from playing through new narrative content because inventory management was horrible. Using alts for storage was a horrible experience and a joyless time sink.
Thus your reason for subscribing. No matter what you think about the game, the devs have to pay rent. Making you smile does not pay rent, medical bills, groceries, etc. The pittance they charge for DLC doesn't either. So be an adult and pay for a game you obviosuly like, or stop whining.
What are you talking about? I replied to a comment. I did not whine. I did not even complain about the sub. I rejected the claim that inventory management was fine pre-crafting bag.Edited by DaveMoeDee on August 20, 2019 5:53PM1 -
RusevCrush✭✭✭No. Can't understand how people can slug so much time into this and feel it's expensive. Calculate your per min entertainment cost of an ESO sub versus other common entertainment costs. Doesn't even compare. I'm guessing most on here are not casual players. You should pay if you're spending this much time on it.2
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✭This is exactly what happens during free ESO+ week. More than 20, all items go to craft bag. Stock it up, and should be good for awhile. Only items that will deplete fast are the writ items.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight (Damage)
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (One-Bar)
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)
Leveling...
Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist
Styx of Akatosh a Goblin* Arcanist
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
__________________________Backstories:_________________________
Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
{time moves forward through the hour-glass}
Returning player - 2017-2022, back in 25'1 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭YES AND YES!!!Okay, forget the good will argument for a second then. Having a 200 spaced LIMITED craftbag is not going to hurt sub numbers. It will fill up before you know it then you are back to picking stuff out of your inventory, and saying to yourself, "Damn I wish I had more space in my craftbag". If anything it would allow more fun time for players hooked on ESO before they say "F this BS game, I'm done." You'd see an increase in players. AND instead of just making it free you could charge like 8000 crowns for it or something or maybe include it in chapter preorders. It's something for them to think about. ZOS can satisfy their greed while still pleasing players by giving them options.0
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✭✭✭✭✭I guarantee as soon as those 20 slots are full, you'll be back here demanding an increase to 50 then 100, then 200 then hey why not the whole thing free?
Craft bag in ANY form must remain sub only.Beta tester November 20132 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭YES AND YES!!!RusevCrush wrote: »No. Can't understand how people can slug so much time into this and feel it's expensive. Calculate your per min entertainment cost of an ESO sub versus other common entertainment costs. Doesn't even compare. I'm guessing most on here are not casual players. You should pay if you're spending this much time on it.
No video game is worth a monthly bill for period. There is a reason why I am playing this and not WOW and why I had no intention of even trying this game until they got rid of the FAILED mandatory subscription model. Sure there is a lot entertainment out there that is more expensive but there are tons of other enjoyable much cheaper and totally free ways for people to spend their time including video games that are free to play or you just buy once play for hundreds of hours and no strings attached. So the entertainment-per-minute argument is ridiculous nonsense.0 -
Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!I guarantee as soon as those 20 slots are full, you'll be back here demanding an increase to 50 then 100, then 200 then hey why not the whole thing free?
Craft bag in ANY form must remain sub only.
If you had read the thread, you would have seen the posted picture showing proof that i am in fact a paid eso + subscriber. But since you cant be bothered to actually read the discussion before commenting, you wouldnt know that.
20 mats of each type in a craft bag is a reasonable thing to ask.1 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭YES AND YES!!!I guarantee as soon as those 20 slots are full, you'll be back here demanding an increase to 50 then 100, then 200 then hey why not the whole thing free?
Craft bag in ANY form must remain sub only.
No it doesn't. People demanding more happens anyways. It doesn't have to be a slippery slope. They did this with so many other things in the game. You have a bank but you can HAVE DOUBLE if you sub, you have a house but you could have DOUBLE THE STUFF IN IT if you sub, you have have an itty bitty craftbag, but you can have UNLIMITED CRAFTBAG if sub. It's the same thing.3 -
Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game
In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain or loss of utility is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the utility of the other participants. If the total gains of the participants are added up and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero. Thus, cutting a cake, where taking a larger piece reduces the amount of cake available for others, is a zero-sum game if all participants value each unit of cake equally (see marginal utility).
In contrast, non-zero-sum describes a situation in which the interacting parties' aggregate gains and losses can be less than or more than zero. A zero-sum game is also called a strictly competitive game while non-zero-sum games can be either competitive or non-competitive. Zero-sum games are most often solved with the minimax theorem which is closely related to linear programming duality,[1] or with Nash equilibrium.
Allowing people a small craftbag does not produce a zero-sum game. You do not lose what they gain and vise-versa.
In fact it's just a win.1 -
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✭✭✭Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game
In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain or loss of utility is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the utility of the other participants. If the total gains of the participants are added up and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero. Thus, cutting a cake, where taking a larger piece reduces the amount of cake available for others, is a zero-sum game if all participants value each unit of cake equally (see marginal utility).
In contrast, non-zero-sum describes a situation in which the interacting parties' aggregate gains and losses can be less than or more than zero. A zero-sum game is also called a strictly competitive game while non-zero-sum games can be either competitive or non-competitive. Zero-sum games are most often solved with the minimax theorem which is closely related to linear programming duality,[1] or with Nash equilibrium.
Allowing people a small craftbag does not produce a zero-sum game. You do not lose what they gain and vise-versa.
In fact it's just a win.
No it is not a win. When you receive a piece for free of what I pay for in this game you have taken advantage of my resources and you are not equally bearing the burden of sustaining the game we both enjoy.
In short you have the greater gain at my expense. So get off the subscription paying class's back and start supporting this hobby with the rest of us who do. As I said before..[snip].
[edited for baiting comment]Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on August 21, 2019 9:03PM3 -
Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game
In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain or loss of utility is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the utility of the other participants. If the total gains of the participants are added up and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero. Thus, cutting a cake, where taking a larger piece reduces the amount of cake available for others, is a zero-sum game if all participants value each unit of cake equally (see marginal utility).
In contrast, non-zero-sum describes a situation in which the interacting parties' aggregate gains and losses can be less than or more than zero. A zero-sum game is also called a strictly competitive game while non-zero-sum games can be either competitive or non-competitive. Zero-sum games are most often solved with the minimax theorem which is closely related to linear programming duality,[1] or with Nash equilibrium.
Allowing people a small craftbag does not produce a zero-sum game. You do not lose what they gain and vise-versa.
In fact it's just a win.
No it is not a win. When you receive a piece for free of what I pay for in this game you have taken advantage of my resources and you are not equally bearing the burden of sustaining the game we both enjoy.
In short you have the greater gain at my expense. So get off the subscription paying class's back and start supporting this hobby with the rest of us who do. As I said before..[snip].
that's a false assertion based upon conjectureEdited by ZOS_RogerJ on August 21, 2019 9:03PM0 -
I guarantee as soon as those 20 slots are full, you'll be back here demanding an increase to 50 then 100, then 200 then hey why not the whole thing free?
Craft bag in ANY form must remain sub only.
This one thinks that is a good point.Leader Of The Children Of Razum Dar Guild (Khajiit Guild) on All 6 MegaServers
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YaYaPineapple✭✭✭✭If someone wants the crafting bag so badly, they can probably find two quarters on the sidewalk every day and use them to pay for their ESOplus subscription.
If you can't scrounge up 50 cents daily, perhaps its time to re-evaluate your life choices or find a different hobby which you can comfortably afford.
Edited by YaYaPineapple on August 21, 2019 7:48PM5 -
@Skwor This one thinks that Netflix should let JusticeForJilarga watch some of their Movies for free.Leader Of The Children Of Razum Dar Guild (Khajiit Guild) on All 6 MegaServers
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Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭YES AND YES AND YES!!!!!!you lose nothing. and as i have already stated and shown in this thread, i am an eso plus subscriber, a point you keep ignoring.
AS a subscriber i lose nothing by having people get a small craft bag for free. thats a fact. fact is neither does anyone else lose anything.
just like you lose noting whn people who dont pay for eso + get a bank space or houses to purchase or anything else.
Fact is as a subscriber i get double of those things i and i lose nothing when a non eso+ subscriber gets some of them for free.
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Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »you lose nothing. and as i have already stated and shown in this thread, i am an eso plus subscriber, a point you keep ignoring.
AS a subscriber i lose nothing by having people get a small craft bag for free. that's a fact. fact is neither does anyone else lose anything.
just like you lose noting when people who don't pay for eso + get a bank space or houses to purchase or anything else.
Fact is as a subscriber i get double of those things i and i lose nothing when a non eso+ subscriber gets some of them for free.
This one must argue that while nobody "loses" anything. ESO+ loses value. It doesn't matter if you are a subscriber you cant speak on behalf of other subscribers like JusticeForJilarga.
This one also says that comparing The Craft Bag to the Bank Upgrades is like comparing a Khajiit to an Argonian.Leader Of The Children Of Razum Dar Guild (Khajiit Guild) on All 6 MegaServers
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