I was aiming for Flawless Conqueror on my magsorc. Then the patch happened

valkyrie93 · August 2019

ETA: Done complaining about this now. I'm going to slot crit surge for the heal, use spell power pots and use sigils wherever possible instead of avoiding them wherever possible. Just want flawless already I've done the arena more times than I can count now. I might also slot degeneration instead of a sorc skill (rip) so i won't even have to use the spell power pots then.
Thanks for the helpful comments

Used the same rotation for ages. haven’t really kept up to date with the changes and I went on holiday for 2 weeks and come back to find out my main passive heal is completely useless to me now. Major sorcery needs to be added to crit surge.

So now i’m slotting degeneration for Major Sorcery, as it’s been buffed for dmg too but what can i use as a passive heal now? nothing lol, i have no choice but to use the matriarch for any heal at all. oh and burn through pots.

I also loved to use shock clench to stun adds in order to bide time, this helped me massively but that’s been taken away too. Using reach now.

I have practiced and practiced with these bars to get where I am in vMA and was hoping to get flawless pretty soon since I’m now able to do each stage without dying, just not in one run yet. Now i feel like two vital tools, or at least what i prefer, have been taken away and i’m having to lvl up non class skills i never cared about before. Feel like i’ve been set 5 steps back

This isn’t fun. It’s demotivating

Don’t really know what else to say

JasmineMcCoy · August 2019

Use Critical Surge as the passive heal. It's all almost as before.

Heatnix90 · August 2019

Crit surge + Spell Power potions. 50 potions is enough for 1 run.

Samadhi · August 2019

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Used the same rotation for ages. ...

This isn’t fun. It’s demotivating

Don’t really know what else to say

Donny_Vito · August 2019

If you're going for flawless, just use every single Sigil every round. It sounds like you already have knowledge of the arena, so make a few tweaks to adapt and you'll be fine.

valkyrie93 · August 2019

Samadhi wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Used the same rotation for ages. ...

This isn’t fun. It’s demotivating

Don’t really know what else to say

Used the same rotation meaning it worked for me which motivated me to practice more and now i'm forced to change it. what's your point.

Varana · August 2019

I slot Critical Surge. It physically hurts to totally waste Major Brutality that way but it works.

valkyrie93 · August 2019

Heatnix90 wrote: »

Crit surge + Spell Power potions. 50 potions is enough for 1 run.

was gonna say i can't slot crit surge because i wouldn't have msorcery but I might just do this. thanks

valkyrie93 · August 2019

Donny_Vito wrote: »

If you're going for flawless, just use every single Sigil every round. It sounds like you already have knowledge of the arena, so make a few tweaks to adapt and you'll be fine.

mechanics aren't a problem for me now. it's just stupid deaths or rng in round 7. i do need to make a habit of using sigils more. I'll do that and use crit surge and just burn through spell power pots i guess.

the changes were just a massive shock to me.

Thank you

rotaugen454 · August 2019

I’ve done VMA several times. My MagSorc farming build got killed. I’ve run with two pets, one pet, no pets and could get it done. Now, I can’t finish stage 9 and I know the mechanics. I’m switching to a MagPlar and first time in, nearly finished through stage 6 then ran out of time. This might become my replacement farming build.

Ezhh · August 2019

We're in the same place. I am down to getting one death a run on non-pet mag sorc (usually on 7) and this threw me as well. I've just gone Power Surge to Crit Surge and then dropped Haunting Curse for Degen, which works for my set up, but I just don't like Degen and it's annoying to not be able to have Major Sorcery up before starting a fight. But it is what it is (less fun to play overall due to this and other reasons) and we must adapt (or quit) even if we don't like it.

Billdor · August 2019

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Used the same rotation for ages. haven’t really kept up to date with the changes and I went on holiday for 2 weeks and come back to find out my main passive heal is completely useless to me now. Major sorcery needs to be added to crit surge.

So now i’m slotting degeneration for Major Sorcery, as it’s been buffed for dmg too but what can i use as a passive heal now? nothing lol, i have no choice but to use the matriarch for any heal at all. oh and burn through pots.

I also loved to use shock clench to stun adds in order to bide time, this helped me massively but that’s been taken away too. Using reach now.

I have practiced and practiced with these bars to get where I am in vMA and was hoping to get flawless pretty soon since I’m now able to do each stage without dying, just not in one run yet. Now i feel like two vital tools, or at least what i prefer, have been taken away and i’m having to lvl up non class skills i never cared about before. Feel like i’ve been set 5 steps back

This isn’t fun. It’s demotivating

Don’t really know what else to say

This is 100% your fault. No one elses, this is what you have to say.

WuffyCerulei · August 2019

You can get by with Crit Surge and Spell Power potions. I do.

oddbasket · August 2019

Round 7 is the no death killer. I keep making stupid mistakes, made the same mistake by accidentally killing the mage next to me on stage 7 boss twice and ended up with two 1 death runs.

Decided to try my luck before double drops event ends on one final run and just got my flawless conqueror an hour ago.

Hetaira · August 2019

oddbasket wrote: »

Round 7 is the no death killer. I keep making stupid mistakes, made the same mistake by accidentally killing the mage next to me on stage 7 boss twice and ended up with two 1 death runs.

Decided to try my luck before double drops event ends on one final run and just got my flawless conqueror an hour ago.

I've never used the mages to shield. I kill them both and bash the boss and then just avoid letting him hit me. I realized how much more efficient that ended up, and i didn't have to worry about accidentally killing the 2nd mage.

Dagoth_Rac · August 2019

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

If you're going for flawless, just use every single Sigil every round. It sounds like you already have knowledge of the arena, so make a few tweaks to adapt and you'll be fine.

mechanics aren't a problem for me now. it's just stupid deaths or rng in round 7. i do need to make a habit of using sigils more. I'll do that and use crit surge and just burn through spell power pots i guess.

the changes were just a massive shock to me.

Thank you

I was able to get Flawless after patch, but it is a major slog now. MagSorc has been a shock/pets/AoE class since forever. But shock, pets, and AoE all got such extreme nerfs that there is not much left that feels MagSorc-like. I feel like some generic mages guild NPC is doing VMA for me, not my main character that I have been playing for like 4 years.

JasmineMcCoy · August 2019

Personally, I prefer to slot both criticical and regeneration and use tri-potions, because I find the stamina useful on many arenas. However, it's not like there is a single way to do it.
Round 7 is always luck based, the rest shouldn't be a big issue, though mistakes can always happen. Eventually, it'll work.

Heatnix90 · August 2019

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I’ve done VMA several times. My MagSorc farming build got killed. I’ve run with two pets, one pet, no pets and could get it done. Now, I can’t finish stage 9 and I know the mechanics. I’m switching to a MagPlar and first time in, nearly finished through stage 6 then ran out of time. This might become my replacement farming build.

Lol someone hasn't heard of using magblade to farm vMA.

gepe87 · August 2019

With new patch i found easier to do vma, magsorc and 2 pets, and i was expecting a nightmare. Changed blockade to shock clench.

I still die 2 to 3 times at stage 7 (still need to memorize the venom callers spawn location) and sometimes 1 on stage 9 (that crematorial guard)

BNOC · August 2019

Dying on round 7 wasn't luck based 3 years ago and it's still not.

OP, you just need to use sigils and play smart, using shock clench to bide time sounds more like a magicka sink and also, the longer you leave rounds, the more mechanics you see, the more damage you're dealt etc. It doesn't seem helpful.

Use crit surge and shield.

Side note: To help weaker players who complained constantly that they couldn't complete this, Zos implemented the save progress feature and done away with the death limit; I actually believe that change had the opposite effect - Before that came in, you had 500 lives and if they all went, you had to start again and re-complete rounds you've scraped by, over and over again.
Due to that they became so trivial that you went from losing 500 lives by round 3, to losing 500 by round 4 and so on, then before you'd even got your basic complete you were so well trained that you were basically pushing flawless automatically.

If all else fails, just keep restarting, the early rounds will become a breeze and you'll figure out how to play your sorc in the meantime.

Haquor · August 2019

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

Crit surge + Spell Power potions. 50 potions is enough for 1 run.

was gonna say i can't slot crit surge because i wouldn't have msorcery but I might just do this. thanks

The matriach massive nerf to damage hurts more than anything else.

I switched to crit surge for heals. Combo of that with a shield is fine in vma for heals.

Also switched to tormentor for more damage from the bird since surge is enough heals.

iris56 · August 2019

I haven't been farming vMA on my sorc, but I can relate. It just feels so squishy and doesn't hit as hard now. I hate how it feels to play it. I know sorc was OP in PVP, but it really wasn't in PVE. I think I'll be retiring my mag sorc for this patch and using my magplar, which is a shame because sorc was my first and favorite dps.

MrBrownstone · August 2019

I got my flawless after the patch. Matriarch heal and Critical Surge are good. Just replaced Haunting Curse with Degeneration. I used trash pots, zero sigils.

Vahrokh · August 2019

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

If you're going for flawless, just use every single Sigil every round. It sounds like you already have knowledge of the arena, so make a few tweaks to adapt and you'll be fine.

mechanics aren't a problem for me now. it's just stupid deaths or rng in round 7. i do need to make a habit of using sigils more. I'll do that and use crit surge and just burn through spell power pots i guess.

the changes were just a massive shock to me.

Thank you

I was able to get Flawless after patch, but it is a major slog now. MagSorc has been a shock/pets/AoE class since forever. But shock, pets, and AoE all got such extreme nerfs that there is not much left that feels MagSorc-like. I feel like some generic mages guild NPC is doing VMA for me, not my main character that I have been playing for like 4 years.

Yet you keep paying a sub, so they'll never learn.

GrimTheReaper45 · August 2019

Billdor wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Used the same rotation for ages. haven’t really kept up to date with the changes and I went on holiday for 2 weeks and come back to find out my main passive heal is completely useless to me now. Major sorcery needs to be added to crit surge.

So now i’m slotting degeneration for Major Sorcery, as it’s been buffed for dmg too but what can i use as a passive heal now? nothing lol, i have no choice but to use the matriarch for any heal at all. oh and burn through pots.

I also loved to use shock clench to stun adds in order to bide time, this helped me massively but that’s been taken away too. Using reach now.

I have practiced and practiced with these bars to get where I am in vMA and was hoping to get flawless pretty soon since I’m now able to do each stage without dying, just not in one run yet. Now i feel like two vital tools, or at least what i prefer, have been taken away and i’m having to lvl up non class skills i never cared about before. Feel like i’ve been set 5 steps back

This isn’t fun. It’s demotivating

Don’t really know what else to say

This is 100% your fault. No one elses, this is what you have to say.

How is zos's dumb nerfs their fault? Everyone on this dumb asf forum tells players to git gud and l2p so players work at it and try to get good and when zos makes stupid asf decisions that completely change whatever you were learning to play we get this "its your fault" bs

Darkenarlol · August 2019

crit surge - more heals than old one

any morph of entropy is a great dot

that have no reason to not be slotted

just did a bunch of routine flawless runs

on sorc and warden - dps is higher, vma is boring

so don't blame zos in your own faults, adapt

and go get your flawless at last

Gariele · August 2019

I can send you the adjustments I made to allow me to get Flawless Conquer after patch

MaleAmazon · August 2019

mechanics aren't a problem for me now. it's just stupid deaths or rng in round 7.

Then, and really no offense, but how is the patch a problem? RNG has little to do with you getting major sorcery from a skill or a potion.

The stuff that kills me when I do vMA now (werewolf semi-speedruns using no sigils) is;

-Sometimes mess up on ice stage, too much damage (better now that I can use fear more and more effectively).

-RNG flowers

-The 3 argonian archers on round 4 of that stage

-Last stage Titan

Still, the RNG is clearly the worst and some slight adaptation and you should be fine.

BNOC · August 2019

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Billdor wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Used the same rotation for ages. haven’t really kept up to date with the changes and I went on holiday for 2 weeks and come back to find out my main passive heal is completely useless to me now. Major sorcery needs to be added to crit surge.

So now i’m slotting degeneration for Major Sorcery, as it’s been buffed for dmg too but what can i use as a passive heal now? nothing lol, i have no choice but to use the matriarch for any heal at all. oh and burn through pots.

I also loved to use shock clench to stun adds in order to bide time, this helped me massively but that’s been taken away too. Using reach now.

I have practiced and practiced with these bars to get where I am in vMA and was hoping to get flawless pretty soon since I’m now able to do each stage without dying, just not in one run yet. Now i feel like two vital tools, or at least what i prefer, have been taken away and i’m having to lvl up non class skills i never cared about before. Feel like i’ve been set 5 steps back

This isn’t fun. It’s demotivating

Don’t really know what else to say

This is 100% your fault. No one elses, this is what you have to say.

How is zos's dumb nerfs their fault? Everyone on this dumb asf forum tells players to git gud and l2p so players work at it and try to get good and when zos makes stupid asf decisions that completely change whatever you were learning to play we get this "its your fault" bs

Your post is straight outta Reddit's Cuddle Club.

Let's say you're learning to ride a bike: all the bike manufacturer has done is recalled your bike and swapped the brakes around - They've warned you wall in advance and had people test the bikes, you were even invited to test it yourself. When the bike makes its way back to you, yeah, you might go over the bars a few times pressing the wrong brake but I mean how many times would you go over before you had to take a step back and realise it's not an issue with the bike, but you?

code65536 · August 2019

I dropped the bird after the patch.

This freed up two bar slots. I used one of them for the shield (the bird heal used to be my emergency panic button, and now it's the shield) and used the other for Degeneration.

Remorphed Blockade to Unstable. Remorphed Power Surge to Critical Surge. Still using "trash" pots as before. It's a little bit slower, but not by that much.

luen79rwb17_ESO · August 2019

You slot crit surge and degen and use 2 GCD for what was 1 before because ZOS logic.

Good thing is for VMSA you pre-,cast crit surge before a round and spam degen on mob spawn.