buttaface wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

And it has -nothing- to do with the tank being "too slow" and everything to do with bad play habits in MMOs. I've never seen a tank "too slow" who wasn't afk, and have only experienced that a couple of times. Face it, we are talking a difference of seconds here, not hours. DPS pre aggroing the mobs is bad team play in teams in MMOs, anyone who doesn't instantly realize that is either an MMO newb or being dishonest. Finally, difficulty level doesn't matter. There are players undergeared enough to die instantly to normal dungeon mob aggro when a tank has to clean up an overpull, and I have seen that very thing many times of late where some "hotshot" DPS doesn't know that there are 10 more mobs behind the rock where they just aggroed 5 and gets insta ganked.

No,but I have I have seen tanks just sit and do nothing for several minutes between bosses.Usually when they do this it happens than once.Realistically if the tank is sitting with his thumb up his ass,there really is no reason not to clear mobs if dps and healer can handle it.It simply gives the group a beginning,and no I'm not talking about a speed run..Just finishing in a timely manner. I No reason to go pulling the entire dungeon though.

Imo normal dungeons are far too easy to learn how to tank, you barely take any damage and the mobs die too fast in the cleave damage to be stacked together in time.
If you wanna get practice as tank you should go with a premade group into a vet dungeon. They'll have more patience with you if you mess up and are more likely to wait for you to pull the boss or trash.
Start with easier dungeons when you feel confident try the first dlcs like icp, mazzatum and CoS. They are all sort of challenging in their own way for a tank.
In icp you just get tons of trash and semi hard hitting bosses. In CoS and RoM especially you have adds to priorities with taunt and some challenging boss fights.
I think that's the best way to start your tanking career.
After that you can just try other vDLC dungeons and/or normal trials

What you also can do without friends is tanking the gargoyle world boss in I think rivenspire. He hits pretty hard and spawns adds aswel. Just try to keep taunt on the boss and survive for the first part, when you get better at it try to control the adds aswel as debuffing the boss with crusher engulfing etc.

Remember it's a multilayer game and most fun with friends. If you haven't already maybe consider joining a social guild for the beginning, they often do normal trials, vet dungeons etc, perfect play ground to start with. If you wanna get into vet trials you probably want sth more advanced. There are plenty guilds that focus on bringing beginners into bet trials so that would be prefect.

I gotta say, this has been on my mind alot now that I'm running dungeons more. It'll be 3 810s and one level 35. The last case, it was all lower toons and me at 810. I've been turning down my dps to make it last longer for them to get experience on mechanics but not really talking about it. I think I'll be more aggressive at the beginning and see what the lwoer characters want to do.
I will say, a separate que to separate might be helpful so lower toons don't get steam rolled.

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

@DarcyMardin and I practice tanking with each other. That's an advantage of having a gamer wife.

It's also a reminder that you don't need a full crew of four to do easy dungeons. All 16 of the base dungeons can be duoed just with a tank and with a damage dealer who also does some healing. That's true of some of the "2" dungeons as well, although those are likelier to have particular fights that frustrate weak groups.

You could also duo most DLC dungeons too with a tank/damage dealer. The key there is understanding the AI/game engine controlling the combat mechanics. Such as, ground based AOE projectiles can be block most of the damage by elevated terrain.

Here's a video to demonstrate how elevated terrain can mitigate those type of attacks. This was me goofing around in vSS to testing some sets with Spinners for heavy armor/penetration build. Sadly, I was knocked into a wall and needed to reset the fight after dealing with the archers and healers.

https://youtu.be/LX3hgAqUwvQ


Learning to tank can be practices using different dungeons or trials. Veteran players that are aware of game mechanics along with moderate/high DPS output will often speed run the pledge/random, as a collective force just slaughtering the content therein.