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Let Me Convert My Banker
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CompM4s✭✭✭✭✭If the talking cats were 2500 crowns id probably do it. But 10k for both is just to steep.2 -
Lykanus✭✭✭The Elk was 5,000 or 6,000 crowns at release, cant remember which. Most mounts are around 2,000 yes, but some get on up there. Im honestly still not seeing the big difference here. Most people dont want a plain Horse for a mount and all exotics are crowns only. You buy one thinking its cool only for an even more appealing one to be sold months later same price if not more. Thats literally the same story with Ezabi and Fezez.
The difference is you buy a crown mount for the looks only. The banker...not for the looks but for function only. Now you got a cosmetic choice there too, which is fine, but those that isnt worth 5000 crowns again if your reason is cause you bought it for the function only.
Or did you ever bought a crown mount for 5000 crowns just for the function or riding[which you could have gotten for free too while private banking not] but disliked the look?
So the OPs complain is understandable if he feels screwed now that he'd basically have to buy now two times the same only for the choice they didnt offered before.
You can compare that with like you would _have to_ buy a 5000 crown mount you dont like how it looks, just to be able to buy after it the one you find appealing.
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Swifigames✭✭✭A conversion token wouldn't be too bad, maybe say...1500-2500 crowns. Eliminates your current version and replaces with the newer one(s).
Or, when the two new versions came out, lock the original OG banker & merchant from purchase. Creating uniqueness and rarity for those of us who've spent so much time in-game to this point. Then, perhaps offer a conversion token. But then you'd be genuinely conflicted...do you want to spend the 1500 crowns on the newer version(s) or keep your old classic ones?"We don't want other worlds, we want mirrors." - Gibarian
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✭✭✭✭✭The Elk was 5,000 or 6,000 crowns at release, cant remember which. Most mounts are around 2,000 yes, but some get on up there. Im honestly still not seeing the big difference here. Most people dont want a plain Horse for a mount and all exotics are crowns only. You buy one thinking its cool only for an even more appealing one to be sold months later same price if not more. Thats literally the same story with Ezabi and Fezez.
The difference is you buy a crown mount for the looks only. The banker...not for the looks but for function only. Now you got a cosmetic choice there too, which is fine, but those that isnt worth 5000 crowns again if your reason is cause you bought it for the function only.
Or did you ever bought a crown mount for 5000 crowns just for the function or riding[which you could have gotten for free too while private banking not] but disliked the look?
So the OPs complain is understandable if he feels screwed now that he'd basically have to buy now two times the same only for the choice they didnt offered before.
You can compare that with like you would _have to_ buy a 5000 crown mount you dont like how it looks, just to be able to buy after it the one you find appealing.
....im still lost. You're implying a crown mount has no function, its just there to look pretty. Do you get on your mount and just sit there? And now that we have multiple Bankers the choice isnt solely for function anymore. Ezabi is plainly a cosmetic choice since we now have more than one option that do the same things. Bank.
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The portable banker and merchant are nothing like the mounts. When the game launched, you already had several different mounts available, for ingame gold, as well as real life money, and everybody knew you would get more in the future. When you buy a mount, you're not buying the ability to ride. You buy speed, stamina and capacity at horse trainers ingame or via Riding Lessons in the Crown Store. When you buy a mount you only get a reskin for your riding ability.
....im still lost. You're implying a crown mount has no function, its just there to look pretty. Do you get on your mount and just sit there? And now that we have multiple Bankers the choice isnt solely for function anymore. Ezabi is plainly a cosmetic choice since we now have more than one option that do the same things. Bank.The Elk was 5,000 or 6,000 crowns at release, cant remember which. Most mounts are around 2,000 yes, but some get on up there. Im honestly still not seeing the big difference here. Most people dont want a plain Horse for a mount and all exotics are crowns only. You buy one thinking its cool only for an even more appealing one to be sold months later same price if not more. Thats literally the same story with Ezabi and Fezez.
The difference is you buy a crown mount for the looks only. The banker...not for the looks but for function only. Now you got a cosmetic choice there too, which is fine, but those that isnt worth 5000 crowns again if your reason is cause you bought it for the function only.
Or did you ever bought a crown mount for 5000 crowns just for the function or riding[which you could have gotten for free too while private banking not] but disliked the look?
So the OPs complain is understandable if he feels screwed now that he'd basically have to buy now two times the same only for the choice they didnt offered before.
You can compare that with like you would _have to_ buy a 5000 crown mount you dont like how it looks, just to be able to buy after it the one you find appealing.
Tythis is the Horse, Ezabi is the Senche. Standard and Exotic, but both do the same exact thing.
On the other hand, when they launched Tythis and Nuzimeh they were heralded as unique and they charged that high price for the 'uniquite funcionality', to quote ZOS directly: 'Both assistants can be purchased at any level via the in-game Crown Store, and will be priced at 5,000 crowns to reflect their unique convenience, group-wide utility, and practical services'. When you buy a banker or a merchant you're buying the unique ability to access a banker and merchant, and this is a Crown-exclusive function. But if you already have the assistants, the new Alfiq reskins don't provide any of this 'unique functionality' so they shouldn't charge you the same amount.
For people who already own Tythis and Nuzimeh, the Alfiq reskins should have been discounted. The same way Crown Store mounts don't make you pay again for the unique functionality of your 60/60/60 mount. The functionality to ride fast/for long/with many bag slots: 18.000 crowns (via Riding Lessons only) or 45.000 gold (via daily horse training). The cost of using that functionality with a Guar skin: 1.300 crowns. The ability to access a banker and a merchant: 5000 crowns. The cost of using that functionality with an Alfiq skin: shouldn't have been 5.000 again.
The banker and merchant (and fence but that's irrelevant) are more akin to Account Upgrades rather than Mounts. If ZOS release new Character Slots for example, with a choosable background, should people pay the same Character Slot upgrade price again simply for the different skin, even though they already have a free slot? If ZOS release a reskin pack for Warden spells, should people have to pay the full price of the Warden class for them, even if they already own the Warden class?
This was extensively discussed when the Afliq were first datamined, and yes OP is right. it would have been better to sell the banker and merchant functionality separately (5000 for the function and it comes with the free basic Tythis and Nuzimeh skin) with extra skins being added for 1000-2000 on top of the functionality. This would have also allowed them to keep expanding the system (like add the Imperial and Altmer banker/merchant that were datamined but never implemented). But instead they're losing out on money (because people who love the Alfiq won't go back and buy T&N therefore making them obsolete, and people who would have bought a reskin for 2k crowns for example won't buy the cats for 10k again when they already have the assistant functions for that price).8 -
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✭✭✭luton0watford4 wrote: »I bought mine with gold on the n.a. server a couple of days ago.
How much gold?PC
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✭I already had a tantrum about this when the cats were first available in the crown store and noone listened. I am with you on this op...i would like to reskin my banker and merchant ....the cats are adorable but I am not paying full price again ....I would love to trade my old banker and merchant in for the cats.Edited by wishlist14 on August 6, 2019 9:44PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »luton0watford4 wrote: »I bought mine with gold on the n.a. server a couple of days ago.
How much gold?
With crown gifting... standard rate is about 200g/crown on PC/NA (although you can find cheaper sometimes), so anywhere between 750,000-1,000,000 gold for the banker.
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....im still lost. You're implying a crown mount has no function, its just there to look pretty. Do you get on your mount and just sit there? And now that we have multiple Bankers the choice isnt solely for function anymore. Ezabi is plainly a cosmetic choice since we now have more than one option that do the same things. Bank.
Tythis is the Horse, Ezabi is the Senche. Standard and Exotic, but both do the same exact thing.
The Post below yours describes it good, the crown mounts you buy only for skins (=cosmetics). The Private Banking not. Now the options changes, but the complain is right that when you switch from function to cosmetic you should not screw off these that bought the function in first place - thats why the complain is right.
Or asking again would you buy a mount from the crownstore for 5000 crowns which you do not like at all?
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✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »luton0watford4 wrote: »I bought mine with gold on the n.a. server a couple of days ago.
How much gold?
With crown gifting... standard rate is about 200g/crown on PC/NA (although you can find cheaper sometimes), so anywhere between 750,000-1,000,000 gold for the banker.
AFAIK, the crown exchange rates are lower on console, so it could be even cheaper there.
I was guessing 100 gold per crown, meaning 500K, but I was hoping for less. I would not sell crowns that cheap, but I don't want these that badly to drain most of my accumulated gold.PC
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✭into aFlopsyPrince wrote: »I never did care much for the guy. I would prefer the cat (I think). Let me convert it for free or something like 100 Crowns. Same for the vendor one.
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RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭Here's the thing: I get your idea for a conversion. I actually support it. But don't go around saying that changing how the banker looks like is different from how you want your mount to look like; it's not. It's still only a cosmetic issue.
There isn't any difference in the way both banker or merchant function, they both are available to group members, they both can't give access to guild stores or bank and they both won't come up in cyro.
So too are the mounts. While it might have been nice to just convert our one mount to look different, it just doesn't work that way. Each mount interacts with your riding speed, stamina and backpack individually as per your char.
But yes, ZoS should be able to allow us to change how our bankers or merchants look but I feel at 1500-2000 crowns, not 100 crowns.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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Lykanus✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »Here's the thing: I get your idea for a conversion. I actually support it. But don't go around saying that changing how the banker looks like is different from how you want your mount to look like; it's not. It's still only a cosmetic issue.
There isn't any difference in the way both banker or merchant function, they both are available to group members, they both can't give access to guild stores or bank and they both won't come up in cyro.
So too are the mounts. While it might have been nice to just convert our one mount to look different, it just doesn't work that way. Each mount interacts with your riding speed, stamina and backpack individually as per your char.
But yes, ZoS should be able to allow us to change how our bankers or merchants look but I feel at 1500-2000 crowns, not 100 crowns.
Nope, its not the same. Think of an mount YOU find ugly as hell, but its the only available mount in the game and only in crown store. You bought it. Because it was the only option to ride and you got the "its a good comfort function" as reason to buy.
Then later it becomes a cosmetic option, well now you see why there is a legit reason it should be an option to change for these early adopters.3 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »Here's the thing: I get your idea for a conversion. I actually support it. But don't go around saying that changing how the banker looks like is different from how you want your mount to look like; it's not. It's still only a cosmetic issue.
There isn't any difference in the way both banker or merchant function, they both are available to group members, they both can't give access to guild stores or bank and they both won't come up in cyro.
So too are the mounts. While it might have been nice to just convert our one mount to look different, it just doesn't work that way. Each mount interacts with your riding speed, stamina and backpack individually as per your char.
But yes, ZoS should be able to allow us to change how our bankers or merchants look but I feel at 1500-2000 crowns, not 100 crowns.
Nope, its not the same. Think of an mount YOU find ugly as hell, but its the only available mount in the game and only in crown store. You bought it. Because it was the only option to ride and you got the "its a good comfort function" as reason to buy.
Then later it becomes a cosmetic option, well now you see why there is a legit reason it should be an option to change for these early adopters.
Whether its ugly or not, ITS STILL A MOUNT. one that will have its speed, stamina and backpack slot respective to your char. and whether the old banker was ugly or not, ITS STILL A BANKER, just like the new kitty. It has all the functions and whistles a personal banker has.
again, read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't have an option for a cosmetic change. Just don't say that the new banker has new functionality than the old one. That's clearly a false statement. You want to argue for a change in the game, go for it. But don't confuse yourself and others with functionality and aesthetic reasons. Because both are different in their own right.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »RavenSworn wrote: »Here's the thing: I get your idea for a conversion. I actually support it. But don't go around saying that changing how the banker looks like is different from how you want your mount to look like; it's not. It's still only a cosmetic issue.
There isn't any difference in the way both banker or merchant function, they both are available to group members, they both can't give access to guild stores or bank and they both won't come up in cyro.
So too are the mounts. While it might have been nice to just convert our one mount to look different, it just doesn't work that way. Each mount interacts with your riding speed, stamina and backpack individually as per your char.
But yes, ZoS should be able to allow us to change how our bankers or merchants look but I feel at 1500-2000 crowns, not 100 crowns.
Nope, its not the same. Think of an mount YOU find ugly as hell, but its the only available mount in the game and only in crown store. You bought it. Because it was the only option to ride and you got the "its a good comfort function" as reason to buy.
Then later it becomes a cosmetic option, well now you see why there is a legit reason it should be an option to change for these early adopters.
Whether its ugly or not, ITS STILL A MOUNT. one that will have its speed, stamina and backpack slot respective to your char. and whether the old banker was ugly or not, ITS STILL A BANKER, just like the new kitty. It has all the functions and whistles a personal banker has.
again, read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't have an option for a cosmetic change. Just don't say that the new banker has new functionality than the old one. That's clearly a false statement. You want to argue for a change in the game, go for it. But don't confuse yourself and others with functionality and aesthetic reasons. Because both are different in their own right.
Your point would only be valid if we had far more than 2 banker options. Different things.PC
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I already explained this but I guess my post was too long, so here it goes: they charged 5k for the banker and merchant for its 'exclusive and unique functionality' that is literally how they justified the price. You had no way to get remote bank and merchant access other than this Crown-exclusive 10k bundle. So since the Alfiq banker is just a reskin for a functionality you already own, why should it cost the same high price for its 'unique functionality'? It shouldn't.RavenSworn wrote: »RavenSworn wrote: »Here's the thing: I get your idea for a conversion. I actually support it. But don't go around saying that changing how the banker looks like is different from how you want your mount to look like; it's not. It's still only a cosmetic issue.
There isn't any difference in the way both banker or merchant function, they both are available to group members, they both can't give access to guild stores or bank and they both won't come up in cyro.
So too are the mounts. While it might have been nice to just convert our one mount to look different, it just doesn't work that way. Each mount interacts with your riding speed, stamina and backpack individually as per your char.
But yes, ZoS should be able to allow us to change how our bankers or merchants look but I feel at 1500-2000 crowns, not 100 crowns.
Nope, its not the same. Think of an mount YOU find ugly as hell, but its the only available mount in the game and only in crown store. You bought it. Because it was the only option to ride and you got the "its a good comfort function" as reason to buy.
Then later it becomes a cosmetic option, well now you see why there is a legit reason it should be an option to change for these early adopters.
Whether its ugly or not, ITS STILL A MOUNT. one that will have its speed, stamina and backpack slot respective to your char. and whether the old banker was ugly or not, ITS STILL A BANKER, just like the new kitty. It has all the functions and whistles a personal banker has.
again, read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't have an option for a cosmetic change. Just don't say that the new banker has new functionality than the old one. That's clearly a false statement. You want to argue for a change in the game, go for it. But don't confuse yourself and others with functionality and aesthetic reasons. Because both are different in their own right.
And you bring up mounts again which aren't comparable. You pay for the function of riding fast, for longer, and having backpack slots - which is the function of mounts - separately. You can do this through ingame gold with training, or via Crown Riding Lessons. And when you buy yourself a white-maned horse, you're only buying the reskin for this functionality, they don't make you pay the same 18.000 Crowns or 45.000 it would take you to get 60/60/60, they just allow you to use the riding ability with a different skin. And the way mounts work, you were always able to access this function with ingame mounts, and we always had several different versions of skins we could choose from, and we all knew they would be adding to it in the future.
The Banker and Merchant aren't like Mounts, they're more like Account Upgrades - it's just that ZOS didn't release a different reskin of other Account Upgrades yet (like a Character Slot with a different background that you have to pay the same price for even if you already own a Character Slot, or a Warden skill reskin that you have to pay the full price of the Warden class for, even if you already have the full functionality of the class that they charged you in the first place).5 -
Aimora✭✭✭✭✭b]The Banker and Merchant aren't like Mounts, they're more like Account Upgrades -[/b] it's just that ZOS didn't release a different reskin of other Account Upgrades yet (like a Character Slot with a different background that you have to pay the same price for even if you already own a Character Slot, or a Warden skill reskin that you have to pay the full price of the Warden class for, even if you already have the full functionality of the class that they charged you in the first place).
I think this sums it up totally - I was very disappointed at the cash grab on the Assistants, they could easily have introduced an upgrade to the originals for a lower price - I would have even paid 3000 crowns - this way I feel like I am being fleeced!
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Today, yes. Back in the Ardennes you did notThe difference is that you get a basic horse for free (...).
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My first character gave all of his precious gold to buy his first horse. He didn't expect a sorrel-to-pinto or pinto-to-nightmare morph or a partial refund when he bought others later.
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✭The cats are cute BUT the voices drive me round the twist...
now if they had put Nazusi's voice on one of em...
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✭✭✭I don't really have a horse in this race (ahahaha) as I am not enticed enough by the cats to care either way, nor do I have any reason to be against a conversion option.
However I just want to mention that there was a lot of debate about the fairness of mobile bankers and merchants only being obtainable by crowns back in the day, and the counter argument for that was that merchants and bankers were plentiful throughout the land of Tamriel. Moreover the mobile companions were purposely gimped with a penalty so that they were WORSE functionality than the free merchants and bank locations, presumably to also counter any p2w complaints.
So, marketing lingo aside, there are free bankers and merchants out there just like there is a free horse. It might be a more accurate statement to say that they are also fancy furniture because we can place them in our homes. Which makes them more like crafting stations which we also have to buy separately if we want a different look to them.
Not saying I like this or anything... just pointing it out.
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Partomax✭✭✭This is dumb, they are completely different items. Just because they cost the same and serve the same function doesn't mean you should be able to trade one with the other solely because you like one the best. Otherwise you should be able to change every costume, mount, etc for one that costs the same. Of course that people will agree with you because who would say no to free stuff but this is a dumb idea, if you made a thread saying "make banker free" everyone who doesn't have a banker would say yes and everyone who has a banker would say no except for the small minority of people who are able to see beyond the scope of their personal gains.PC/EU - This is a signature2 -
Lykanus✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »
Whether its ugly or not, ITS STILL A MOUNT. one that will have its speed, stamina and backpack slot respective to your char. and whether the old banker was ugly or not, ITS STILL A BANKER, just like the new kitty. It has all the functions and whistles a personal banker has.
again, read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't have an option for a cosmetic change. Just don't say that the new banker has new functionality than the old one. That's clearly a false statement. You want to argue for a change in the game, go for it. But don't confuse yourself and others with functionality and aesthetic reasons. Because both are different in their own right.
But no one buys a mount that you find yourself ugly, except you have no choice and thats the only mount available in the complete game.
Let yourself think the mount would be an moving pile of dirt. It gives you riding speed, bag capacity. Nothing else available. Now a good while later, there comes a shiny horse available to buy... for the same functionality but now it becomes a cosmetic choice from now on, just... well you get to "pay" again for the "new" functionality you gain with this now new cosmetic choice - if you already bought it, just before you had NO choice and THATS the reason why there should be some kind of different offer for those.
That is true for the banker&merchant options.[besides the comparsion to mounts ofc even worse as there are free mounts too, but its just to show the point]
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RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »
Whether its ugly or not, ITS STILL A MOUNT. one that will have its speed, stamina and backpack slot respective to your char. and whether the old banker was ugly or not, ITS STILL A BANKER, just like the new kitty. It has all the functions and whistles a personal banker has.
again, read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't have an option for a cosmetic change. Just don't say that the new banker has new functionality than the old one. That's clearly a false statement. You want to argue for a change in the game, go for it. But don't confuse yourself and others with functionality and aesthetic reasons. Because both are different in their own right.
But no one buys a mount that you find yourself ugly, except you have no choice and thats the only mount available in the complete game.
Let yourself think the mount would be an moving pile of dirt. It gives you riding speed, bag capacity. Nothing else available. Now a good while later, there comes a shiny horse available to buy... for the same functionality but now it becomes a cosmetic choice from now on, just... well you get to "pay" again for the "new" functionality you gain with this now new cosmetic choice - if you already bought it, just before you had NO choice and THATS the reason why there should be some kind of different offer for those.
That is true for the banker&merchant options.[besides the comparsion to mounts ofc even worse as there are free mounts too, but its just to show the point]
Technically you do have a choice, you could go back to town and do your 'banking' and 'merchantile' business instead of getting the portable one eh.
There isn't a business in this world, that offers a newer, shinier, up to date model car that is the same price as an old one; ZoS could have charged higher since it is a newer model banker/merchant.
It has the same functionality, that's what I'm trying to say. There is no new functionality with the new merchant / banker with the exception of it being a talking cat, which is a 'cosmetic' difference.
That's why I said I agreed with you wanting a cheaper reskin, because both have the same functionality. And it's not an account upgrade for goodness sake. Its a convenience item. The store has plenty of those.
Had ZoS given the go ahead for reskins of the warden bear, the banker and merchant, even the current mounts... They could have had a higher turnover rate than with the current pricing system they have.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »RavenSworn wrote: »
Whether its ugly or not, ITS STILL A MOUNT. one that will have its speed, stamina and backpack slot respective to your char. and whether the old banker was ugly or not, ITS STILL A BANKER, just like the new kitty. It has all the functions and whistles a personal banker has.
again, read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't have an option for a cosmetic change. Just don't say that the new banker has new functionality than the old one. That's clearly a false statement. You want to argue for a change in the game, go for it. But don't confuse yourself and others with functionality and aesthetic reasons. Because both are different in their own right.
But no one buys a mount that you find yourself ugly, except you have no choice and thats the only mount available in the complete game.
Let yourself think the mount would be an moving pile of dirt. It gives you riding speed, bag capacity. Nothing else available. Now a good while later, there comes a shiny horse available to buy... for the same functionality but now it becomes a cosmetic choice from now on, just... well you get to "pay" again for the "new" functionality you gain with this now new cosmetic choice - if you already bought it, just before you had NO choice and THATS the reason why there should be some kind of different offer for those.
That is true for the banker&merchant options.[besides the comparsion to mounts ofc even worse as there are free mounts too, but its just to show the point]
Technically you do have a choice, you could go back to town and do your 'banking' and 'merchantile' business instead of getting the portable one eh.
There isn't a business in this world, that offers a newer, shinier, up to date model car that is the same price as an old one; ZoS could have charged higher since it is a newer model banker/merchant.
It has the same functionality, that's what I'm trying to say. There is no new functionality with the new merchant / banker with the exception of it being a talking cat, which is a 'cosmetic' difference.
That's why I said I agreed with you wanting a cheaper reskin, because both have the same functionality. And it's not an account upgrade for goodness sake. Its a convenience item. The store has plenty of those.
Had ZoS given the go ahead for reskins of the warden bear, the banker and merchant, even the current mounts... They could have had a higher turnover rate than with the current pricing system they have.
You need to study business a bit more. Many businesses today, especially those offering purely electronic goods, do offer the ability to upgrade at a cheap and sometimes even free cost.
Your logic fails.PC
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✭✭✭✭✭You can play without the assistants. I played for over 3 years without them. They are a luxury item.FlopsyPrince wrote: »RavenSworn wrote: »RavenSworn wrote: »
Whether its ugly or not, ITS STILL A MOUNT. one that will have its speed, stamina and backpack slot respective to your char. and whether the old banker was ugly or not, ITS STILL A BANKER, just like the new kitty. It has all the functions and whistles a personal banker has.
again, read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't have an option for a cosmetic change. Just don't say that the new banker has new functionality than the old one. That's clearly a false statement. You want to argue for a change in the game, go for it. But don't confuse yourself and others with functionality and aesthetic reasons. Because both are different in their own right.
But no one buys a mount that you find yourself ugly, except you have no choice and thats the only mount available in the complete game.
Let yourself think the mount would be an moving pile of dirt. It gives you riding speed, bag capacity. Nothing else available. Now a good while later, there comes a shiny horse available to buy... for the same functionality but now it becomes a cosmetic choice from now on, just... well you get to "pay" again for the "new" functionality you gain with this now new cosmetic choice - if you already bought it, just before you had NO choice and THATS the reason why there should be some kind of different offer for those.
That is true for the banker&merchant options.[besides the comparsion to mounts ofc even worse as there are free mounts too, but its just to show the point]
Technically you do have a choice, you could go back to town and do your 'banking' and 'merchantile' business instead of getting the portable one eh.
There isn't a business in this world, that offers a newer, shinier, up to date model car that is the same price as an old one; ZoS could have charged higher since it is a newer model banker/merchant.
It has the same functionality, that's what I'm trying to say. There is no new functionality with the new merchant / banker with the exception of it being a talking cat, which is a 'cosmetic' difference.
That's why I said I agreed with you wanting a cheaper reskin, because both have the same functionality. And it's not an account upgrade for goodness sake. Its a convenience item. The store has plenty of those.
Had ZoS given the go ahead for reskins of the warden bear, the banker and merchant, even the current mounts... They could have had a higher turnover rate than with the current pricing system they have.
You need to study business a bit more. Many businesses today, especially those offering purely electronic goods, do offer the ability to upgrade at a cheap and sometimes even free cost.
Your logic fails.
Zos accounts rolled the dice. The dice were weighted in their favor because the internet loves cats. They have definitely studied “business”.
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We know that ZOS made that decision because they think it will be profitable for them, but do you have any proof for that? Do they? No.You can play without the assistants. I played for over 3 years without them. They are a luxury item.
Zos accounts rolled the dice. The dice were weighted in their favor because the internet loves cats. They have definitely studied “business”.FlopsyPrince wrote: »RavenSworn wrote: »RavenSworn wrote: »
Whether its ugly or not, ITS STILL A MOUNT. one that will have its speed, stamina and backpack slot respective to your char. and whether the old banker was ugly or not, ITS STILL A BANKER, just like the new kitty. It has all the functions and whistles a personal banker has.
again, read my post. I didn't say you shouldn't have an option for a cosmetic change. Just don't say that the new banker has new functionality than the old one. That's clearly a false statement. You want to argue for a change in the game, go for it. But don't confuse yourself and others with functionality and aesthetic reasons. Because both are different in their own right.
But no one buys a mount that you find yourself ugly, except you have no choice and thats the only mount available in the complete game.
Let yourself think the mount would be an moving pile of dirt. It gives you riding speed, bag capacity. Nothing else available. Now a good while later, there comes a shiny horse available to buy... for the same functionality but now it becomes a cosmetic choice from now on, just... well you get to "pay" again for the "new" functionality you gain with this now new cosmetic choice - if you already bought it, just before you had NO choice and THATS the reason why there should be some kind of different offer for those.
That is true for the banker&merchant options.[besides the comparsion to mounts ofc even worse as there are free mounts too, but its just to show the point]
Technically you do have a choice, you could go back to town and do your 'banking' and 'merchantile' business instead of getting the portable one eh.
There isn't a business in this world, that offers a newer, shinier, up to date model car that is the same price as an old one; ZoS could have charged higher since it is a newer model banker/merchant.
It has the same functionality, that's what I'm trying to say. There is no new functionality with the new merchant / banker with the exception of it being a talking cat, which is a 'cosmetic' difference.
That's why I said I agreed with you wanting a cheaper reskin, because both have the same functionality. And it's not an account upgrade for goodness sake. Its a convenience item. The store has plenty of those.
Had ZoS given the go ahead for reskins of the warden bear, the banker and merchant, even the current mounts... They could have had a higher turnover rate than with the current pricing system they have.
You need to study business a bit more. Many businesses today, especially those offering purely electronic goods, do offer the ability to upgrade at a cheap and sometimes even free cost.
Your logic fails.
I don’t care one way or another. I know I wouldn’t pay for a base assistant and then another fee to change looks. I’m still waiting for the Imperial and Altmer assistants.
How many people owned Tythis and Nuzimeh already? How many people considered their price too high and never bought them (but would have if they were cheaper)? How many people bought the Alfiq ones because they considered them worth it? How many people refused to buy the Alfiq (but would have if they were cheaper)? How many people who already owned Tythis and Nuzimeh bought the Alfiq too? How many didn't but would have if they could upgrade for cheaper?
Just because they sold some Alfiq at 5k doesn't mean that this would have been the most profitable option for them.
Edit: Also, you can play without mounts too. You're even faster while sprinting at the start. That's irrelevant to the discussion.Edited by bluebird on August 9, 2019 7:15AM0
