What is a Kiss-Curse?
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Muzzick✭✭✭✭I’m going to start using Kiss-Curse randomly here on the forums.
This thread is just full of Kiss-Curse.
I didn't read the above description but there could be many definitions for it
Kiss curse: when you "kiss" or buff a certain skill at the beginning of PTS, only to make it worse than it ever was by the end of it.Edited by Muzzick on August 6, 2019 5:59PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »
Greeetings, Gilliamthecurse here with another kiss for Scalebreaker dlc update.2 -
ZOS_RobGarrettmod"Kiss-Curse" is a term we use in design to describe the intentional pairing of both positive and negative effects on an individual item/ability/etc. The intent of the design pattern is to broaden the design possibility space (including more powerful versions of effects) and create more interesting choices for players when constructing their builds.Rob Garrett
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Even after an explanation from dev, I'm still not completely sure how this skill works now.
So if someone under 100% stands on the rune, it heals but at a cost of the duration of the rune? So maybe like 1 second shorter for every second healing ticks. With the accompanying nerf to the duration, it should grant at most 4 secs of healing. Do I have that right? Is the penalty cumulative if more people stand on the rune?Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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chi_ras✭✭✭ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »"Kiss-Curse" is a term we use in design to describe the intentional pairing of both positive and negative effects on an individual item/ability/etc. The intent of the design pattern is to broaden the design possibility space (including more powerful versions of effects) and create more interesting choices for players when constructing their builds.
alright, all clear now! Thank you! 😉 In other words, how does the skill now work ?Edited by chi_ras on August 6, 2019 6:38PMCP600+
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CambionDaemon✭✭✭Kiss-Curse: A term that they just made up (to make it sound good), for a skill that has downside.Edited by CambionDaemon on August 6, 2019 6:40PM8
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No_Division✭✭✭CambionDaemon wrote: »Kiss-Curse: A term that they just made up (to make it sound good), for a skill that has downside.
best explanation i could find is, as an example, "Everyone takes x% more damage every 5s the fight goes on" this will require healers to heal more and more, but it also means the mobs are taking more and more damage."
Both a blessing and a curse. Like NB's oblivion heal; it gives you dmg but also gives an ally a hot.0 -
Muzzick✭✭✭✭No_Division wrote: »CambionDaemon wrote: »Kiss-Curse: A term that they just made up (to make it sound good), for a skill that has downside.
best explanation i could find is, as an example, "Everyone takes x% more damage every 5s the fight goes on" this will require healers to heal more and more, but it also means the mobs are taking more and more damage."
Both a blessing and a curse. Like NB's oblivion heal; it gives you dmg but also gives an ally a hot.
If that's the case why didn't they just use a term people are more familiar with like double-edged sword? Or are there some more intricate differences I am missingEdited by Muzzick on August 6, 2019 8:05PM1 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »"Kiss-Curse" is a term we use in design to describe the intentional pairing of both positive and negative effects on an individual item/ability/etc. The intent of the design pattern is to broaden the design possibility space (including more powerful versions of effects) and create more interesting choices for players when constructing their builds.
alright, all clear now! Thank you! 😉 In other words, how does the skill now work ?
You trade 12 seconds of the base ability duration for a HoT. Their *** made up terminology is unnecessary, and confusing.
The "kiss" is heal the ability gains.
The "curse" is the reduced duration.
The patch notes should have just said. "This morph trades 12 seconds of the base ability's duration to add a HoT." Instead they wanted to sound cool, so we now have this thread.Edited by Ajax_22 on August 6, 2019 7:28PM7 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Public Relations 101. Inventing a term which was not previously used in the game (to my knowledge) is deliberate. It takes our attention off the change and onto the term itself.
Edited by The_Lex on August 6, 2019 7:33PM9 -
Svenja✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only "downside" of that morph/skill is the much shorter duration (8 seconds instead of 20.) There is nothing more to it.PC | EU
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Amazing how "kiss-curse" gets the lead gameplay designer in for a quick comment.9 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »Amazing how "kiss-curse" gets the lead gameplay designer in for a quick comment.
It is amazing. But it drives home my point:Public Relations 101. Inventing a term which was not previously used in the game (to my knowledge) is deliberate. It takes our attention off the change and onto the term itself.
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Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »Amazing how "kiss-curse" gets the lead gameplay designer in for a quick comment.
It is amazing. But it drives home my point:Public Relations 101. Inventing a term which was not previously used in the game (to my knowledge) is deliberate. It takes our attention off the change and onto the term itself.
Nah, it's not the first time they've used the term. Additionally, there isn't anything to distract from. The duration reduction is reasonable, and no one is complaining about it. This is simply a case of game designers coming up with a term to make something sound cool, but instead just leaves people scratching their head, and cringing.0 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The entire Necro class is "kiss curse".- Burst heal gives you minor defile
- Spamming purge gives you a 1.8K damage dot
- Blastbones may or may not work
- Siphon/Tether skills may or may not work
- Boneyard lets you activate your own synergy, if you can find it
- +10% dot damage but no functioning class dots
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Isn't a kiss-curse a skill that isZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »"Kiss-Curse" is a term we use in design to describe the intentional pairing of both positive and negative effects on an individual item/ability/etc. The intent of the design pattern is to broaden the design possibility space (including more powerful versions of effects) and create more interesting choices for players when constructing their builds.
Using Pirate Skeleton as an example was much ore accurateSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique1 -
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✭✭✭ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »"Kiss-Curse" is a term we use in design to describe the intentional pairing of both positive and negative effects on an individual item/ability/etc. The intent of the design pattern is to broaden the design possibility space (including more powerful versions of effects) and create more interesting choices for players when constructing their builds.
alright, all clear now! Thank you! 😉 In other words, how does the skill now work ?
You trade 12 seconds of the base ability duration for a HoT. Their *** made up terminology is unnecessary, and confusing.
The "kiss" is heal the ability gains.
The "curse" is the reduced duration.
The patch notes should have just said. "This morph trades 12 seconds of the base ability's duration to add a HoT." Instead they wanted to sound cool, so we now have this thread.
I mean, look at the whole quote ...
"broaden the design possibility space" lmfao7 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »"Kiss-Curse" is a term we use in design to describe the intentional pairing of both positive and negative effects on an individual item/ability/etc. The intent of the design pattern is to broaden the design possibility space (including more powerful versions of effects) and create more interesting choices for players when constructing their builds.
alright, all clear now! Thank you! 😉 In other words, how does the skill now work ?
You trade 12 seconds of the base ability duration for a HoT. Their *** made up terminology is unnecessary, and confusing.
The "kiss" is heal the ability gains.
The "curse" is the reduced duration.
The patch notes should have just said. "This morph trades 12 seconds of the base ability's duration to add a HoT." Instead they wanted to sound cool, so we now have this thread.
I mean, look at the whole quote ...
"broaden the design possibility space" lmfao
It honestly sounds like Michael Kirkbride wrote that line. lol0 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »"Kiss-Curse" is a term we use in design to describe the intentional pairing of both positive and negative effects on an individual item/ability/etc. The intent of the design pattern is to broaden the design possibility space (including more powerful versions of effects) and create more interesting choices for players when constructing their builds.
alright, all clear now! Thank you! 😉 In other words, how does the skill now work ?
You trade 12 seconds of the base ability duration for a HoT. Their *** made up terminology is unnecessary, and confusing.
The "kiss" is heal the ability gains.
The "curse" is the reduced duration.
The patch notes should have just said. "This morph trades 12 seconds of the base ability's duration to add a HoT." Instead they wanted to sound cool, so we now have this thread.
I mean, look at the whole quote ...
"broaden the design possibility space" lmfao
Yeah, meaningless corporate buzzword speak that no one can stand listening to, or reading. Most people won't even remember a single word of that post, much less what it means, five minutes after reading it. It baffles me that most designers still haven't figured out that people prefer things to be clear, concise, and written in plain English.10 -
KageNin✭✭✭Kiss-curse ability should provide Positive effect but after it applies major debuff like
Blood sacrifice - Sacrifice your own power to repair damaged flesh, healing you or an ally in front of you for 1233 Health but applying Minor Defile to yourself for 4 seconds, reducing your healing received and health recovery by 15%.
Trading higher heal value for lesser but applicable to many people isnt a Kiss-curse its a TRADE OFF.
No wonder this patch is so bad.Edited by KageNin on August 7, 2019 12:34AM3 -
Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Maybe Cyrodiil has been one giant kiss-curse all this time.@Solar_Breeze
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pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe they thought they were thinking outside the box and staying ahead of the curve.
Just thought I'd throw that out there for anyone who is playing bull**** bingo
Edited to add: Think we have a winner "broaden the design possibility space" lolEdited by pdblake on August 7, 2019 10:23AM1 -
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✭✭ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »"Kiss-Curse" is a term we use in design to describe the intentional pairing of both positive and negative effects on an individual item/ability/etc. The intent of the design pattern is to broaden the design possibility space (including more powerful versions of effects) and create more interesting choices for players when constructing their builds.
Ha!! I've been telling everyone that a Kiss-Curse is what happens just before you get married. Seems I was wrong. As you were, people.......as you were.0 -
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Kiss-curse describes this patch - all your opponents will be nerfed, but you'll be nerfed even more
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✭Aha, so it's like a Corrupt Bonecharm in the Dishonored-verse...PC EU.
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