1.) Cyro Performance: bad, but ok for rare visits. As half of my toons are locked out by faction lock, I don't really care

2.) PVE vet content: rotation broken, lag with resulting bugs. I never did trials yet, rarely do vet dungeons, so can live with it

3.) PVE non vet content:

I do 8 daily worldbosses, 16 daily delves, 8 daily writs, sidequests, dragons, sometimes continue mainquest to get skillpoints

All this is slightly affected by the lag, but far from critical. If I look around what other people do, I'd say that this is the kind of playstyle most players actually use.

The only thing I am really pissed about is faction lock, as this intentionally limited gameplay for many. The performance issues are annoying now and then, but acceptable. So I prefer new content over performance fixes like in Cyro.

CGPsaint wrote: »

Daytime player here. This game is a ghost town during non-peak hours. Elsweyr, Mournhold, Craglorn, Grahtwood. I don't need to see the numbers to know that there are less people playing now, than there were a few months back.

My observation too on xbox eu, statistics confirm it for steam:

17% loss at steam in July.
https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Though there was a high increase before, so the loss includes players who just temporarily joined back to play elsweyr.

kwinter wrote: »

One thing to remember is many people like to take vacation in July and August so drop in population shouldn’t be a surprise.

during vacation you usually have a slight increase, as people have more time to play. The long term statistics confirm it: https://steamcharts.com/app/306130#All

markulrich1966 wrote: »

kwinter wrote: »

One thing to remember is many people like to take vacation in July and August so drop in population shouldn’t be a surprise.

during vacation you usually have a slight increase, as people have more time to play. The long term statistics confirm it: https://steamcharts.com/app/306130#All

What the Steam figures also show over the long term is that since its launch in 2014 the average July Steam figures for ESO have increased every year on the previous year, including this year.

Tandor wrote: »

markulrich1966 wrote: »

kwinter wrote: »

One thing to remember is many people like to take vacation in July and August so drop in population shouldn’t be a surprise.

during vacation you usually have a slight increase, as people have more time to play. The long term statistics confirm it: https://steamcharts.com/app/306130#All

What the Steam figures also show over the long term is that since its launch in 2014 the average July Steam figures for ESO have increased every year on the previous year, including this year.

correct.

New content like Summerset and Elsweyr attracted many new players. This confirms that their calculation "content prior to fixes" works to a certain degree.
The latest decline though is pretty strong, so I am curious how far the next DLC will continue to raise the overall amount of players in the long term. Time will show.

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Look at half of what people post on the forums! Majority of it is asking for more content when we all the game doesn't even perform well what so ever. To even assume that these current fixes and new DLC will do anything is beyond absurd.

We all know this game had declined heavily and has affected both pve and pvp yet people are still asking for more content or little nick nacks which add absolutely nothing to the game. I find it really sad people just don't understand if this game continues the way it is, nothing you ask for will mean anything because you won't even be able to utilize any of it.

No we do not all know. You and the five people (so far) that agreed with you have an opinion that the game has declined. It is just that, an opinion. Don't confuse your opinion with the opinions of others nor should you confuse any opinion with being a fact.

It is a fact. Pve may be ok but pvp has lost, and this is a how I feel number, like 75% of it's player base.

My reasoning? Just look at the campaigns. When I started every campaign was close to locked, even the lowbie campaigns. Also back then the player caps in cyrodil was higher. They have dropped it to try and deal with the performance issues. This is a fact. Now only 1 campaign is active except for prime time weekends when 1 other may be pretty full.

Performance issues is not some tin foil conspiracy. It's because people cheated and they moved alot of the server load from clients to the server to make it less hackable. It's not rocket science...

True, but that was more than 3 years ago.
Other issues, you had stuff like the guild member list was constantly updating. Something players discovered, the developers did not as they test on an private version of PTS.

So test on live servers, yes this is dangerous it might cause crashes or lag but most will be data collection.
Developers can also force instances. Has been in an couple of trials who was super laggy, probably as the trial instance was created on an busy server.
People have lots of lag in vMA during the Orsinium event, however instances should be created on any server, another bug??

Finally we have 3-4 times more mounts, costumes and motifs than we had 3 years ago. All this has to be loaded and rendered.
PS4 has not become more powerful the last 4 years unless you own an pro same with One and lots of PC's
But no this will not change as it hit the bottom line directly.

Having separate graphic setting for Cyrodil and trials would solve lots of problems. No water reflections is not so important then getting hit by an zerg

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Look at half of what people post on the forums! Majority of it is asking for more content when we all the game doesn't even perform well what so ever. To even assume that these current fixes and new DLC will do anything is beyond absurd.

We all know this game had declined heavily and has affected both pve and pvp yet people are still asking for more content or little nick nacks which add absolutely nothing to the game. I find it really sad people just don't understand if this game continues the way it is, nothing you ask for will mean anything because you won't even be able to utilize any of it.

No we do not all know. You and the five people (so far) that agreed with you have an opinion that the game has declined. It is just that, an opinion. Don't confuse your opinion with the opinions of others nor should you confuse any opinion with being a fact.

It is a fact. Pve may be ok but pvp has lost, and this is a how I feel number, like 75% of it's player base.

My reasoning? Just look at the campaigns. When I started every campaign was close to locked, even the lowbie campaigns. Also back then the player caps in cyrodil was higher. They have dropped it to try and deal with the performance issues. This is a fact. Now only 1 campaign is active except for prime time weekends when 1 other may be pretty full.

Performance issues is not some tin foil conspiracy. It's because people cheated and they moved alot of the server load from clients to the server to make it less hackable. It's not rocket science...

So you're comparing Cyrodiil numbers from several years ago with its numbers today and suggesting those numbers indicate a loss of PvP players, conveniently ignoring the fact that PvP players now have a revamped IC along with battlegrounds and dueling, not to mention that most PvP players also do the PvE content which is far greater now than it was several years ago. I've no idea what the PvP numbers were or are, although I suspect they're a very small proportion of the playerbase, but the comparison and conclusion seem pretty suspect.