No wonder the game has declined.

SweepsAllClowns

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

While the game works bad for you, doesn’t mean it works bad for all of us, just saying

I believe some players don't have much problems at all, that's why I'd like to see some clips of some huge flawless lagfree keep fights on prime time in some main campaign, some players tell they don't have any problems in pvp. It's just simply so difficult to understand someone being completely immune to certain things in Cyrodiil when whole groups freeze nearby keeps all the time. On forum seems to be completely opposite experiences, the insane lagloadingcrashers and the absolutely zero problems players, it's very hard to believe most of these players play in the same places on the same times the exactly same game.

Gatviper

Well, Cyrodiil PvP is terrible, even outside of weekends, and I use to like being there often. But with all the lag... PvE is ok though. There is some daily writ grinding to do after playing through all story quests, can get boring though.
Crown Store? Meh. Nobody has to utilize it if they don't want to.

What I dislike the most though is the frequent game updates which turn many abilities and gear sets upside-down, forcing people to adapt and re-think their gear and skills. That reminds me of Everquest II and it's each expac raising the gear power higher, making previous expac's gear obsolete.
It's fun once or twice, but gets old rather quickly, and was one of the reasons why I stopped playing EQ2 and moved to ESO. I don't like seeing my favourite abilities becoming either useless or change in function, it gives a permanent feeling of uncertainty about the game prospect, even if it might look fine for the moment. Can never be sure whether the next update won't make a whole class I'm playing weak and useless.

KerinKor

Holycannoli wrote: »

It performs fine? Cyrodiil starts to to crawl at prime time though.

Quick fix: remove PVP, same 90% of complaints on these forums about lolbalance, PVE stops being nerfed endlessly due to said complaints and server issues pretty much go away.

/win

YaYaPineapple

@SweepsAllClowns

If you closed the support ticket, that effectively told customer service that your problem is either resolved, or you have no interest in getting it resolved. By closing the ticket, you told them to stop trying to fix your account problem.

You MUST respond to all emails within 4 days, and wait for them to complete their investigation in full, even if it takes a while.

Hallothiel

Going by what is ranted about on the forums does not give a decent indication as to the state of the game. People come here to vent about problems not write nice things about the game (they usually get over-whelmed by negative posts)

Yes, pvp can be a hideous lag-fest. But is getting better. I remember a while back when I could not do trials for lag/disconnection - and this got fixed.

And yes, this game isn't perfect. But neither is it dying.

OtarTheMad

Game usually works just fine for me, except during Prime Time in Vivec (whatever it's called now). I don't think it's on the decline at all, probably the opposite really.

The forums is full of negativity because that's who is most likely to speak up but that doesn't mean everyone agrees.

We just had some big changes at the start of this year with who leads what and after reading the goals that they have for the game I am willing to see it thru.

SweepsAllClowns

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

@SweepsAllClowns

If you closed the support ticket, that effectively told customer service that your problem is either resolved, or you have no interest in getting it resolved. By closing the ticket, you told them to stop trying to fix your account problem.

You MUST respond to all emails within 4 days, and wait for them to complete their investigation in full, even if it takes a while.

I know all this, one ticket got closed after 4 days when I didn't notice it, it was during the time when messages weren't so frequent regarding my issue, it got opened again or there was some new ticket so that wasn't any problem. I always got the first response quite fast from the support and everything went fine, then it became a never ending investigation, Elsweyr was my deadline, I asked clear questions and wanted somekind of trust in solving my situation, it didn't feel serious or urgent issue at all even after months. I didn't preorder Elsweyr then and started accepting the fact that my ESO times are finally over after all these years, now I've played other games and not even sure if I care to play ESO anymore when I read about all the lagtastic problems on forum. However my EU account is quite expensive overall after all the time and money spent on it, just leaving it just like everything is fine feels very wrong, after almost 5 months my patience is completely gone.

SweepsAllClowns

Hallothiel wrote: »

People come here to vent about problems not write nice things about the game (they usually get over-whelmed by negative posts)

This is probably quite true, for example I didn't even have a forum account before Wrathstone when I actually could play the game.

RexyCat

TiaFrye wrote: »

New content adds nothing? Logic tells me it adds new content.

Your "logic" have a flaw, as we can see with Elsweyr that added new content by itself can become a problem when you can't loot for the most of times, when AoE and other abilities are aren't where they should (visually) which is big part of doing combat in this game and how necromancer (added content as in a new class) have major bugs for Blastbones which is one out of three corpse generating method on a class that are virtually build around having corpses to use any class abilities (to get the most out of them in some cases or even to be able to use them as Siphons or Tether).

Loading screens that take forever to finish and yes, with Dragons you need to use WS to get around to next Dragon.

In short new content are not that useful then they add issues that make game play and everyday play really a struggle and the way lags can show when you are supposed to be able to play this game as a MMO with more then two people in a place. Guild features that are suddenly being removed, no real "plan" to what this game want to go into as for a direction (how they will expand landmass and how what is the long term plans for Trails, Dungeons, Imperial City, Cyrodiil, Battleground (and all modes withing BG) etc)? Even with long term plans things might not turn out as they planned, but it should at least give some direction on what to expect and how things are to work together in that sense.

//RexyCat

idk

@regime211

I have never been thrilled with Zos' heavy handed combat changes and overall management of the game but it does seem the game is not in decline as you claim. Heck, on PC EU we had to wait in a queue to log into the game well before the chapter was released. Zos supposedly increased server capacity to accommodate the added player activity.

Even the Steam charts show an icrease of players in July of this year over July of last year and a huge increase over July 2017. Yes, Steam only measures a small number of the ESO population but it is still a worthy indicator of year over year activity.

So I ask what is your basis for your claims the game is in decline other than being upset with the changes?

Edit: link to Steam charts https://steamcharts.com/app/306130 Average players is the worthy measurement. Peak players does not really mean much and comparing one month to the previous month is worthless as there are going to be seasonal changes.

pod88kk

Holycannoli wrote: »

It performs fine? Cyrodiil starts to to crawl at prime time though.

You should try playing on Xbox EU, the forgetten child of the ESO servers

SweepsAllClowns

pod88kk wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

It performs fine? Cyrodiil starts to to crawl at prime time though.

You should try playing on Xbox EU, the forgetten child of the ESO servers

I'll try to log in again next week when it's the 5 months celebration day of my stuck EU account, I think my main character is still in Gold Coast completing the Dark Brotherhood event daily quests, and it's not the last DB/TG event but the one before that, slowly but surely the quests get done, soon...no eta. My Pact fighters are still holding the line for the Pact in the never ending Vivec campaign, hopefully that ends well, no eta again, but probably not soon this time.

msalvia

Personally, I have 1-2 performance issues a week, almost always in cyro. Some of these issues are due to player computers and internet issues anyway. And the forums are for axe-grinding, raging, and (usually) bad suggestions. I wouldn't put too much stock in how forum conversations are impacting the game's popularity.

And further, why are we saying it's "in decline?" Seems to be popping as usual, even with many players on the PTS right now.

Conduit0

Androconium wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

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You do realize that game developers are not just generic cogs that can be rearranged as needed? The people who work on content creation are completely separate from the people who work on engine code, who are completely separate from the people who work on the servers. Stopping content creation will not speed up the implementation of performance improvements.

here's a strajety:

Reduce the number of cogs turning the wheels of content creation.
Harvest resources from reduced expenditure.
Pay for new cogs that turn the wheels of performance improvement instead.


All modern organisations use a core of permanent staff with business knowledge, that are supplemented according to need, with technical specialists to deliver the product. This is driven by the Product Owner's (in Agile) prioritisation of the work.

The Product Owner is currently choosing content over performance. This is quite clearly demonstrable.
The forum feedback is also clear; forum players want the focus to be on performance improvement, not new content.

At least for a defined period of focused performance improvement.


Reality: You should try it!!!

So ZOS should lay off a bunch of employees just to satisfy a handful of people whining on the forums? Yeah no, thats not how business works. The forum only represents a tiny fraction of the player base and is no way an accurate depiction of how the "average" player feels about the game. Also content creation is the principle source of revenue generation, slow down content development, you slow down revenue generation, which means there are no resources to harvest to put towards other goals.
Further you clearly have no idea about game development, ZOS is not choosing one over the other. It is far easier and faster to develop new content for an existing game than it is to make sweeping infrastructure changes to a live game. They're doing both at the same time but the development time needed to make the improvements is far greater than the time it takes to create new content.

Androconium wrote: »

Reality: You should try it!!!

I suggest you take your own advice before giving it out to others.

regime211

SweepsAllClowns wrote: »

stuartx13 wrote: »

Works fine for me almost neve get lag in pvp or pve.

I've noticed quite many people on forum telling they don't have any or very little lag in pvp, I sure would like to see some clips including some smooth and lagless very large scale keep siege fights, I bet I wouldn't see any loading screens either, just works.

This is exactly what I would like to see.

regime211

Hallothiel wrote: »

Going by what is ranted about on the forums does not give a decent indication as to the state of the game. People come here to vent about problems not write nice things about the game (they usually get over-whelmed by negative posts)

Yes, pvp can be a hideous lag-fest. But is getting better. I remember a while back when I could not do trials for lag/disconnection - and this got fixed.

And yes, this game isn't perfect. But neither is it dying.

Lol pvp is getting better? How? Break it down in details? Are you a casual player in pvp? Have you played since launch?

regime211

idk wrote: »

@regime211

I have never been thrilled with Zos' heavy handed combat changes and overall management of the game but it does seem the game is not in decline as you claim. Heck, on PC EU we had to wait in a queue to log into the game well before the chapter was released. Zos supposedly increased server capacity to accommodate the added player activity.

Even the Steam charts show an icrease of players in July of this year over July of last year and a huge increase over July 2017. Yes, Steam only measures a small number of the ESO population but it is still a worthy indicator of year over year activity.

So I ask what is your basis for your claims the game is in decline other than being upset with the changes?

Edit: link to Steam charts https://steamcharts.com/app/306130 Average players is the worthy measurement. Peak players does not really mean much and comparing one month to the previous month is worthless as there are going to be seasonal changes.

How many times do players log in to invisible NPC's, delay in sound or even when they have been logged in for hours and que for a dungeon, and the enemies never even load? And the combat sound constantly cuts in and out and you can't target mobs? This is a daily occurrence

srfrogg23

regime211 wrote: »

Look at half of what people post on the forums! Majority of it is asking for more content when we all know the game doesn't even perform well what so ever. To even assume that these current fixes and new DLC will do anything is beyond absurd.

We all know this game has declined heavily both affectingpve and pvp, yet people are still asking for more content or little nick nacks which add absolutely nothing to the game. I find it really sad people just don't understand simple logic. if this game continues the way it is, nothing you ask for will mean anything because you won't even be able to utilize any of it, because the PERFORMANCE will not allow you to experience those big or small additions to the game.

The performance is fine on my computer. 60-75 fps and zero crashes in over a year.

Maybe the problem isn't people asking for stuff. Maybe it's just your computer.

Davor

Was about to come back and subscribe, but I see problems are still the same. Love to kill a mud crab or what ever and it teleports a few feet away and then when I try and click on it, I can't do it, keeps saying I am out of range. This been going on before the summer sheesh.

Oh well, other companies I am sure are appreciating my ESO money.

Drip, drip, drip. Yes, that is the millions that Zenimax is not getting. As Fallout 76 has proven, how ESO on launch have proven, the drops in the bucket have become an ocean now.

Seems like we have come back full circle with ESO. the developers and publishers just don't give a crap anymore and all they do is make sure the "store" works and add new content but have no priorities to fix their game.

SweepsAllClowns

Kel wrote: »

Heard all kinds of excuses too.

"I don't zerg, how can I get clips of a zerg vs. zerg?"
No one said you had to zerg, but to prove your point of having no issues, not that hard to hang around a keep with a large battle happening. You don't because it exposes the lie.

Well no one ever "zergs" of course, all the other "zerglings" are just following the noble solo dominator, it doesn't make the true solo player a "zergling" even when surrounded by 50 of these unholy players, they are all just close approximity solo players and everyone is totally 1vXing hard or something. I could go sweep the stairs of the church at Cheydinhal and tell I don't much lag at all in Cyrodiil pvp area on any time of the day. Cyrodiil large scale keep fights are part of the pvp there and if someone tells they never lag in Cyrodiil, then I obviously assume these situations on any time of the day are included also.

idk

regime211 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

@regime211

I have never been thrilled with Zos' heavy handed combat changes and overall management of the game but it does seem the game is not in decline as you claim. Heck, on PC EU we had to wait in a queue to log into the game well before the chapter was released. Zos supposedly increased server capacity to accommodate the added player activity.

Even the Steam charts show an icrease of players in July of this year over July of last year and a huge increase over July 2017. Yes, Steam only measures a small number of the ESO population but it is still a worthy indicator of year over year activity.

So I ask what is your basis for your claims the game is in decline other than being upset with the changes?

Edit: link to Steam charts https://steamcharts.com/app/306130 Average players is the worthy measurement. Peak players does not really mean much and comparing one month to the previous month is worthless as there are going to be seasonal changes.

How many times do players log in to invisible NPC's, delay in sound or even when they have been logged in for hours and que for a dungeon, and the enemies never even load? And the combat sound constantly cuts in and out and you can't target mobs? This is a daily occurrence

Scratching my head at this totally bogus and irrelevant reply.

You state the game is in decline yet there are more people playing to day than the same month last year and even more than the same month two years ago by the only metrics we have. Granted I know you like to complain a lot by looking at your history.

If the NPC is invisible it is more likely that not the persons PC being a potatoe or something is wrong with it. That is normally a local issue. Sound cutting in and out is likely local as well. I cannot speak to why you are not able to target mobs on a daily basis as that is not an issue I can remember having in a long time other than when I lost connection to the server which again was a local issue.

Michaelkeir

NA/PS4
PvE
-Invisible mobs in dungeons.
-Boss's get stuck in animation.
-1-Shot AoEs not showing up.
-Long load screens.
-All black characters for 10-15 secs when approaching other people's characters.
-Ground graphics loading in slow

PvP
-Disconnecting at a keep during major battles.
-Load screens randomly while riding across the map. (A lot)
-Game freezes during battles. (A lot)
-Not being able to rez other players.
-Bar swapping takes a few secs to register.

These are all everyday problems I have. The invisible mobs and enemy npc AOEs not showing up are a pain when going for no death especially with vMoS and vMhK. With the lastest update it's gotten much worse.

CGPsaint

Daytime player here. This game is a ghost town during non-peak hours. Elsweyr, Mournhold, Craglorn, Grahtwood. I don't need to see the numbers to know that there are less people playing now, than there were a few months back.

Aelorin

Hello OP,

Zenimax has acknowledged that there is a problem, and they communicated that they will try to improve it the next months. There is even a schedule for it on the front page: Did you miss that?
I do not think complaining more about it will change their way of approach.

A once wise man said: Change what you can not accept, and accept what you can not change...

And indeed, there is still room for a lot of content to be added, so I hope it will.

Kind regards.

peoplething

anybody else think they just wanna drive people away from the EU server so they can just shut it down?

CGPsaint

Aelorin wrote: »

And indeed, there is still room for a lot of content to be added, so I hope it will.

Therein lies the problem. Zenimax has continued to push content, instead of fixing the game.

deviousthevile

Are you sure the issue is ESO and not an outdated computer? I used to have issues on my old laptop that I replaced this year. Now my new rig plays the game damn near flawlessly. Sure sometimes I still get disconnected in Cyrodiil when there are like 80 people fighting at a keep. Of course there are those known bugs, like the old Keelsplitter bug that made him almost impossible to kill. But as for performance, latency, ping, invisible enemies, or anything else, Im constantly around 60-85 FPS and 100-150 ping. Maybe I am misunderstanding your meaning of performance, or maybe you need better internet and computer to play this beautifully crafted game. By which i mean the scenery, we all know its riddled with flaws. Going from a Custom/Low setting to being able to play in High/Ultra....sha boing boing!

jadarock

Faulgor wrote: »

I couldn't even say that it has declined in terms of performance as many people claim. ESO has had phases of severe performance issues from the beginning, when every 3rd loading screen was infinite and you had to restart the game, or certain feature like the group finder were straight up inoperable.
I have to assume anyone who claims the game has gotten worse in that regard has been here all of 5 minutes or just sees the past with rose-colored classes.

Personally, besides the hiccups at the start of the year, the game runs fine for me atm.

5 mins really? So when they introduced invisible enemies in bgs several dlcs ago it was just my imagination ? For the record I've been here for years and remember having massive 3faction fights at bleakers no loadscreens no invisible enemies or ults should I continue??
Try doing that now let and me know how it works out for you. Rose colored lenses my ass gtfo

Grandma

Holycannoli wrote: »

It performs fine? Cyrodiil starts to to crawl at prime time though.

you'll find the vocal majority of people on here are living in the middle of nowhere, midwest USA, with apple 1995 computers or something, and then frothing at the mouth about ZOS being incompetent.

the only area with actual issues is Cyro, particularly on EU server. jokes on them for playing pvp though, lol.

magictucktuck

SweepsAllClowns wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

That's aweful. I'm assuming you've killed any subscription and raised a support ticket. Have you had any response or prognosis? Have they offered any assistance or compensation? Is this an isolated case or are there more people you know of suffering this? Sounds terrible if you've been left at the wayside by zos.

Some others have the same issue also, but I assume it's quite rare, my Xbox EU account got stuck when logging in after the Wrathstone download, I haven't been able to log in even once since then. I can still log in on NA server, some NA players can also log in on EU server even their NA account is stuck.

I've had some support tickets regarding my stuck account and missed other stuff, my account was investigated and probably nothing more. I think I've closed 2 tickets myself just out of frustration, on last one I asked for some clear plan how they will fix my account, I checked the ticket the next day and no answer, then I just closed the ticket. Being patient and waiting for some endless investigation won't get anything fixed, now after almost 5 months I've lost all hope.

When my account got stuck I thought surely it will get fixed in a week or two, my ESO+ membership was just renewed before Wrathstone so almost the full month was wasted. I still had some hope after month even my EU account was stuck, I thought I try on NA server, I created similar breton templar and warden characters I have on EU, both are grand overlords so I have more than 5 minutes experience of pvp lag. I planned to play mostly pvp on NA, I played for about 5 weeks and got quite nicely champion points and researches done in that time. I played battlegrounds much also and tried to get the weekly golden rewards with both characters while getting them in top 100 Vivec campaign also. First few weeks went mentally surprisingly fine as a noob with mixed pvp item sets, then I started getting salted up when my characters weren't nearly as strong as my EU versions yet I tried to play the same way.

I noticed on many Sundays that battlegrounds score didn't register on leaderboards at all, especially deathmatches didn't work. On fifth week I missed few gold items by very small margin even I had done easily enough score for leaderboards, after all the lag and deserter penalties after crashes during those weeks on NA I just had enough, those few missed gold rewards just triggered the brainsplosion. On EU account I have inventories full of gold jewelry and I could craft anything easily whenever I wanted, now I was still collecting some full gold sets after 5 weeks on NA. I'm still in small EU smurf pvp guild on NA, the next day I just gave away most of my stuff and gold, I have still about one week's pvp rewards in the mail I'll donate away, also with almost 10 mil ap left I'll buy stuff from golden khajiit and give away at some point.

So after 5 weeks I quit on NA and remaining 3 weeks of membership was wasted again, I didn't remember to cancel my membership at all since I've played continuously for about 4 years on EU, I realized that while I was checking forum, I cancelled it, but of course the new payment was done just the day before, there was one more full donation month for Zenimax. After Wrathstone I've had about 10-11 weeks of uselsess membership time for me, nothing but mistakes after my EU account got stuck.

This has been my favorite game for past 4 years, I've spent much time and money on this game, after this little salty story you might have some clue about my feelings about ESO at the moment. I'll probably try one last support ticket and get some sense to all this, if I feel my problems aren't too important again, then I might create some entertaining thread and get myself permabanned on forum, not sure yet what to do, but something must be done for sure.

so you closed all your tickets before conclusion? on the last one before giving them a chance to reply? seems logical to come complain on the forums then