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NERF for Rally And Vigor
TheHsN
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Can you pls @ZOS_GinaBruno Revert Vigor NERF or Buff it little Bit.
And PLS Revert Rally Changes... You only kill classes fun...
I Guess Gonna Cancel My Sub Again...
I got enough with the nerfs.....I dont Pay money and Gold everytime to Get Nerfed....
And PLS Revert Rally Changes... You only kill classes fun...
I Guess Gonna Cancel My Sub Again...
I got enough with the nerfs.....I dont Pay money and Gold everytime to Get Nerfed....
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Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
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Magicka DK - PvE
Stamina DK - PvE
Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
Stamina NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka Templar - PvE
Stamina Templar - PvP
Magicka DK - PvE
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.12 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
There’s been a couple screen shots that show basically no buff after the loss of the extra tick and the 28% heal lossEdited by Insco851 on August 5, 2019 11:18PM9 -
Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
I agree. So many idiots posting unrealistic, cheesed tooltips and now vigor gets nerfed, while forward lost it's hot, while dots got a pretty big buff. Vigor was fine with the buff...
Edited by Crixus8000 on August 6, 2019 4:53PM6 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
Oh like they did for major mending and brp boosted healing wards that got that nuked?11 -
BlackMadara✭✭✭✭Rally is actually a buff for the burst heal. You get a stronger heal much faster, in exchange for the loss of the HoT and lesser duration on the buff. You can cast Rally after 5 seconds to get a moderate heal, 10 seconds for a good heal, 15 for a strong heal, and at the end for a very powerful one2
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭Resolving Vigor is about 14% weaker on PTS, costs 600 less stamina and is 1 second shorter. Not really a buff.Edited by ThePedge on August 5, 2019 11:30PM4
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
There’s been a couple screen shots that show basically no buff after the loss of the extra tick and the 28% heal loss
Where’s the loss of a tick? I see 4 seconds still?
Edit: I see what you’re saying. I mean I’m fine refreshing it after 4 seconds. To me the duration change doesn’t matter I’m much more concerned about the ticks. I do agree though that the nerf was premature given rally nerf, protective nerfs and dot buffs.Edited by Vapirko on August 5, 2019 11:32PM3 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
There’s been a couple screen shots that show basically no buff after the loss of the extra tick and the 28% heal loss
Where’s the loss of a tick? I see 4 seconds still?
Edit: I see what you’re saying. I mean I’m fine refreshing it after 4 seconds. To me the duration change doesn’t matter I’m much more concerned about the ticks. I do agree though that the nerf was premature given rally nerf, protective nerfs and dot buffs.
5 seconds to 4 seconds 6 to 5 ticks.3 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Resolving Vigor is about 14% weaker on PTS, costs 600 less stamina and is 1 second shorter. Not really a buff.
The cost is actually worse than it is now on live, at least how I see it. Unless I messed something up the way I figure it if you are someone who tends to keep vigor up most of the time in a fight, like many of us do in hectic pvp situations, then it will end up costing more to keep it active. At least when it comes to time. Of course the actual ability is cheaper, but its shorter as well and thats why it will cost you more in the long run if you keep it up.
As for the heal, it comes out to about 200 more healing per second on the pts than it is on live.. At least from the screenshots and numbers ive seen. 200 more healing and going from 5 to 4 seconds is a nerf when you consider that they took away its ability to heal others. A pretty big nerf tbh. Zos is so bad at balance.. Unreal.Edited by eso_lags on August 6, 2019 1:42AM12 -
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Where’s the loss of a tick? I see 4 seconds still?
There’s been a couple screen shots that show basically no buff after the loss of the extra tick and the 28% heal lossVigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
Edit: I see what you’re saying. I mean I’m fine refreshing it after 4 seconds. To me the duration change doesn’t matter I’m much more concerned about the ticks. I do agree though that the nerf was premature given rally nerf, protective nerfs and dot buffs.
~200 hps buff, slight cost increase (per second), shorter duration, no more group heals
So very much a nerf over the current live for group play and sort of a wash for solo play.
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TheHsN✭✭✭✭✭
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Where’s the loss of a tick? I see 4 seconds still?
There’s been a couple screen shots that show basically no buff after the loss of the extra tick and the 28% heal lossVigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
Edit: I see what you’re saying. I mean I’m fine refreshing it after 4 seconds. To me the duration change doesn’t matter I’m much more concerned about the ticks. I do agree though that the nerf was premature given rally nerf, protective nerfs and dot buffs.
~200 hps buff, slight cost increase (per second), shorter duration, no more group heals
So very much a nerf over the current live for group play and sort of a wash for solo play.
That s just changed today:)... Update your self:)Plays:
Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
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Magicka Templar - PvE
Stamina Templar - PvP
Magicka DK - PvE
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✭✭Zos week 1: we buffed vigor’s self heals and made it a more reliant and powerful heal over time
Zos week 5: FBWJFNEKDIDNWNWBDBNSJ!!!!!!!13 -
Pelican✭✭✭✭✭Many people do not realise the 85% buff initially is based off the AOE part of resolving vigor, not the self heal part which is 30% stronger than the aoe part on live. So in the first few pts resolving vigor really only got a 40-45% buff, not 85%. Now with this 28% nerf, if you do the math correctly its healing per tick is only 7-8% stronger compared to live, which is completely useless considering you get one less tick and you lose your precious momentum HOT.Edited by Pelican on August 6, 2019 5:01AMPC NA - EP Solo PvP Player
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Where’s the loss of a tick? I see 4 seconds still?
There’s been a couple screen shots that show basically no buff after the loss of the extra tick and the 28% heal lossVigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
Edit: I see what you’re saying. I mean I’m fine refreshing it after 4 seconds. To me the duration change doesn’t matter I’m much more concerned about the ticks. I do agree though that the nerf was premature given rally nerf, protective nerfs and dot buffs.
~200 hps buff, slight cost increase (per second), shorter duration, no more group heals
So very much a nerf over the current live for group play and sort of a wash for solo play.
So let's see...
12,288/5 = 2458
10495/4 = 2623
And should only get stronger the more times you cast it, 8secs vs 10secs, 12 secs vs 15 secs etc etc
Hmmm... I guess math is muy difícil in los forums
Resolving vigor was OP in group play.. did you ever played against 5 stamina classes using this crap stacking resolving vigor onto each other? Prolly not
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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~200 hps buff, slight cost increase (per second), shorter duration, no more group heals
Where’s the loss of a tick? I see 4 seconds still?
There’s been a couple screen shots that show basically no buff after the loss of the extra tick and the 28% heal lossVigor still got about a 50% buff and a cost reduction of around 600 stamina. I do wish they’d waited to see how things would work out instead of pandering to everyone who was showing ridiculous major mending boosted tooltips but hey, that’s the way the forum screams.
Edit: I see what you’re saying. I mean I’m fine refreshing it after 4 seconds. To me the duration change doesn’t matter I’m much more concerned about the ticks. I do agree though that the nerf was premature given rally nerf, protective nerfs and dot buffs.
So very much a nerf over the current live for group play and sort of a wash for solo play.
So let's see...
12,288/5 = 2458
10495/4 = 2623
And should only get stronger the more times you cast it, 8secs vs 10secs, 12 secs vs 15 secs etc etc
Hmmm... I guess math is muy difícil in los forums
Resolving vigor was OP in group play.. did you ever played against 5 stamina classes using this crap stacking resolving vigor onto each other? Prolly not
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Like i said, ~200 hps buff ...
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✭✭✭✭✭Many people do not realise the 85% buff initially is based off the AOE part of resolving vigor, not the self heal part which is 30% stronger than the aoe part on live. So in the first few pts resolving vigor really only got a 40-45% buff, not 85%. Now with this 28% nerf, if you do the math correctly its healing per tick is only 7-8% stronger compared to live, which is completely useless considering you get one less tick and you lose your precious momentum HOT.
Did ZOS honestly just not do the math themselves? They just looked at that one dude who posted some BS inflated tooltip?5 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭master_vanargand wrote: »ZOS is crazy about tasting Magicka Players ass.
Very rich considering how stam has been meta for about ever now unless you are ball zergling.
They walked this vigor buff back so far they nerfed it and zos somehow thinks DOT buffs + Vigor/FM nerfs = balance. Don’t make any lick of sense.8 -
KageNin✭✭✭People die faster = less lag(because they are dead and reaspawnig somewhere and by the time they comeback everyone is dead and fight is over) ergo better performance, Huzzah!1 -
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✭✭✭Sigh. Seems like zos doesnt understand that not everyone plays 6k wpd heavy stam dk.
Some stam classes couldve used the buff to vigor, especially after the loss of momentum beal.
Blanket nerfs like this one are what pushing people to only play a couple of classes, beacuse the rest will feel like ass in comparison.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, cya medium armor with all those newly arisen dots no vigor can outheal.1 -
labambao✭✭✭✭Compared to live:
Naked, without passives etc each tick of vigor heals 50 points more each second.
So hps buffed.
But you got shortened duration for 1 second, means you lose 1gcd for offensive.
So overall vigor still buffed compare to live, but in same moment your dps sneaky nerfed. Lmao
Also, same naked without passives and att points( now poops will hit fan, be ready)
Edited by labambao on August 6, 2019 7:48AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If they give the HoT back to rally, it would be ok, but so far my stamblades self healing took a hit. Wich was pretty meh to begin with. No major or minor mending and no good class heals other then leeching strikes wich is «ok» imo.
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TheUndeadAmulet✭✭✭✭✭Compared to live:
Naked, without passives etc each tick of vigor heals 50 points more each second.
So hps buffed.
But you got shortened duration for 1 second, means you lose 1gcd for offensive.
So overall vigor still buffed compare to live, but in same moment your dps sneaky nerfed. Lmao
Also, same naked without passives and att points( now poops will hit fan, be ready)
I can taste the salt already.XBOX NA 1000+ CP
PC NA 400+ CP
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TheHsN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Zos week 1: we buffed vigor’s self heals and made it a more reliant and powerful heal over time
Zos week 5: FBWJFNEKDIDNWNWBDBNSJ!!!!!!!
YES... Exactly
They do not know what they do...They try it and then somebody come to forum and Say noooo it is too overpowered and they say lets revert it back... They dont know what they do thats is the thing...
Buff Vigor
Or revert vigor and Rally BackPlays:
Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
Stamina NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka Templar - PvE
Stamina Templar - PvP
Magicka DK - PvE
Stamina DK - PvE4 -
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✭Can you pls @ZOS_GinaBruno Revert Vigor NERF or Buff it little Bit.
And PLS Revert Rally Changes... You only kill classes fun...
I Guess Gonna Cancel My Sub Again...
I got enough with the nerfs.....I dont Pay money and Gold everytime to Get Nerfed....
Why did you tag Gina?
She is a community manager, not even the Lead CC anymore correct? She talks to streamers and once a week, for one month each quarter posts patches notes on PTS. She isn't involved with the combat team at all. How is she going to fix this issue?
Edited by MyKillv2.0 on August 6, 2019 1:42PM1
