RiskyChalice863 wrote: »

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That’s not how it has to work though. You can just attack a few times and get stunned and immediately break free (with a snare immunity ability easily making you immune to the prior effects if you want). After that you’ve got cc immunity. And you’ve got cc immunity after being able to control exactly when (and if) you got stunned/damaged and being able to immediately break free without requiring any reaction time to being stunned since you are triggering it yourself. I can’t understand how you could think that outcome is far worse than simply being stunned by a normal stun where the enemy chooses when to stun you and it happens.

Being snared and immobilized sucks. It always has sucked, it always will suck. It's a terrible mechanic in this game that people in pvp have complained about for years, and have finally gotten some reprieve in the last few patch notes. Fast paced gameplay is fun, immobilized/snare play is not. Now they have provided a mechanic in a 1 v 1 situation where if you want to actually fight and kill that person, you have to fulfill those mechanics. It's not that it's broken, or overpowered in 1 v 1's, it's annoying.

However, imagine being in a 1 v x as a class against a healer and 3 damage dealers. You want to take out the healer, but they throw eclipse on you. You're getting focused by the 3 other people and, like you said, you can choose to not take the snare, you basically have to in that situation because you need to move, but how are you going to attempt to kill that group? You focus a non healer and they heal them to full, you attempt to burst a healer and they just snare you in place or immobilize you so that you can get x v 1'd.

We're in agreement that in general that this cc can be situationally weaker than other cc's in the game, but it can also be stronger. I think providing a more viable stun or damage dealing skill would be better and less annoying to deal with. You agree with me that this isn't as good, why don't we make it better AND less annoying? I personally don't understand why you'd be in support of a skill you don't like(unless of course you know its x v 1 potential and want it for that reason)

The only reason you could have Eclipse applied to you again after 6 seconds is if the first cast never actually stunned you in the first place. If it actually stuns you, then that can’t happen. What you’re asking for is the equivalent of saying you should get cc immunity if you dodged Stone Giant. You don’t get cc immunity if you don’t actually get stunned.

I think there’s a real mental thing going on here. Here’s the deal with this version of Eclipse. If you think you can live through a stun (i.e. you’ve got the stamina to break free or the health to just tank it), then eat the stun and break free. If you think you can’t live through a stun, then apply heals and buffs and dots while the Eclipse is up. Unlike a normal stun, which can actually stun you at a time when you’re vulnerable, you basically should never die because of an Eclipse, since you control if and when it has any effect. Of course, if you can’t survive a stun and therefore just apply heals and buffs and dots during its duration, then it can just be applied again after its duration ends. But that time around you may be in a position to eat the stun and survive, and then you’re cc immune.

I actually agree with all of this, in a solo 1 v 1 situation with most classes there are ways around this cc. It's the open world scenarios where I think this skill is poor and the mechanics of it are poor.

And none of this is even mentioning the fact that it can be cleansed.

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If your counter to a class skill is "be that class", it's probably a sign that the skill needs a rework. If anyone thinks that purge in the support skill line would actually be useful for this on a stam toon, please go look at the cost and the amount of abilities it actually purges.

The truth is that this version of Eclipse is a horrible offensive tool. No good player should EVER die as a result of an Eclipse stun because you control when and if you’re stunned. To compensate for its lack of offensive capability, the ability got a more drawn out cc mechanic (snare —> immobilize —> stun) and got more potential damage than most stuns. Basically, to compensate for the fact that you can control when and if you get stunned, the actual effect going along with that stun is a bit worse for the victim. I’d say that’s pretty balanced.

Once again, agree with this, but that's not my problem with this particular skill in general. I can choose to get my combos off with the bubble on me and eat the first two effects and get out if I choose to. It's a punishment that has an easy work around. Against a lot of classes in a 1 v 1 situation this will not be an issue. I just think these last patch notes they have really looked at providing tools to outnumbered groups( proxi det, no maximum amount hit on people for dots, ults etc). This goes against that core idea imo.

How about no?